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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

I used to hear this too, but I wonder how much less it is. Maybe it's just closer to the Annie's presentation, since it has flat pads. Obviously a step-down model will/ought to have a step-down in audio refinement, but with AKG I don't know... The "flagships" have different prices, but mostly the same technical quality and refinement with just a few tweaks to the FR signature.

The front page review for the K702 vs K612 suggests that they're pretty close, with the K612 still having above-average soundstage (even to the Hd600) and a rounder soundstage with the flat pads, like the Annie's flat pads.

Also, I just realized I'm now 27. Woot woot wheeooto!

Congratz smily_headphones1.gif
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My interpretation of Mad's post was that he read that soundstage wasn't as expansive... not that he'd tried them himself.

Thanks Conq!
There were a few points where I worried I wouldn't make it, seems all good now smily_headphones1.gif
I just gotta stop reading HeadFi and fall back asleep, it's really late at night here.
Edited by Evshrug - 10/19/13 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

Do you remember what sources you were using to listen to the K601s?

Heard as in, FWIR.

And despite the hyperbole of sources/amps, I don't find any source to drastically change what I hear from a headphone's innate sound, regardless of source I've used. So I'm not gonna argue about one source changing the soundstage by an appreciable or even noticeable amount.

I expect a headphone to sound 99% like itself regardless of source. And my expectations haven't failed me. If a headphone has a small soundstage, it's probably gonna remain that way even with another source. Power of an amp is more likely to change depth and size, from what I've experienced.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/19/13 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


1]The thread OP generally dislikes pleather pads (strike one), 2]Audio Technica's wing system is uncomfortable for him (strike two), 3]and at the same price range, or for max technical potential, open headphones simply outperform closed headphones in soundstage, detail, refinement, and wearing comfort (strike three), so they're not of interest to MLE and he doesn't recommend them as some of the very best gaming options.
Audio Technicas do pop up on the thread from time-to-time, but mostly the AD700 for its amazing soundstage and low-cost value, and usually if that's a person's budget and main desirable traits I chime in and suggest tips for fit comfort and EQ that beach, but if someone is asking for suggestions and has a higher budget then we recommend headphones that can outperform the AD700.

Anyone else read the K612 comparison? Sounds like a legit value. A lot of good vibes from the sonic impression, but what I find most interesting is the 120 ohm impedance... It'll be quieter so it'll need more volume headroom, but that actually makes it less picky to match it up with the right amp for great performance.

Ordokon,
As an owner (and lover) of the Q701 and K712, you should look more into this K612 alongside the other options. With any of these AKGs, especially the 62 ohm flagship ones, it's highly recommended you pair them up with an amp (such as the Magni, or FiiO E09k) to avoid a bit of ear - tiring glare to the treble and improve the response of the bass. I use my Q701 (and now K712) often with single player and movies, I find them very lively, exciting, and a satisfying experience. Those two get MY top recommendation if they are in your budget, if not the K612 seems attractive.

I hope Mad (or Chico, Change, or heck even myself) get the urge to try these K612s out, seems like they could be a great "flagship-lite" experience.

 

1] Yes, I respect that.

2] Sure but again, it's just him :] I hope it will fit me much better.

3] Not necessarily true... I have tried a lot of headphones and there are instances where closed backs outperformed open airs significantly at a similar/equal price point so... It could be mostly true but definitely not always.

We have many discovered gems around there, I hope the ATH-A900X will become just that for me.

From what I've read, it might...

 

I respect everyone's contribution as well as MLE's tastes, but I certainly don't support the open>closed opnion. It is just not always the case.

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I hated the A900x every time I demoed it. For around half that price, I'd take the HD558, every time.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/19/13 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I hated the A900x every time I demoed it. For around half that price, I'd take the HD558, every time.

Why is that?

Was it the sound or comfort?

Plus, I need closed.

Thanks.


Edited by conquerator2 - 10/19/13 at 5:08am
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It sounds flat, lifeless, boring. Like it has no real character.

If you're gonna spend that much, get the Mad Dogs instead. A much, MUCH better closed headphone.
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If anyone from the EU wants to build an X1 headset you can pair the X1 with the Reloop RHM-10 easily since the connector fits. 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It sounds flat, lifeless, boring. Like it has no real character.

If you're gonna spend that much, get the Mad Dogs instead. A much, MUCH better closed headphone.

 

That sounds nothing like the ATH-A900X I read about... You mist be confusing them for a different model... They have similar names.

Mad Dogs require some hefty amping and I know these are the best of the best, but the'd run my twice as much to get here...

 

Really I think you must be talking about different headphones - http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-A900X-Audiophile-Closed-Back-Headphones/dp/B006V386UG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382187710&sr=8-1&keywords=audio+technica+ath-a900x

 

The reviews seem nothing like what you said...

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Umm, no. It's the only closed Audio Technica with a clear A900x label, demos at Best Buy. Been to various different Best Buys, and all of the A900x demos bored me to tears. I greatly prefer the Momentum that is basically next to the A900x. It's so inferior to the Momentum, I'd be pissed if I was AT and my headphones were next to the Momentum. At least the A900x was SLIIIIGHTLY less of a disappointment than the K550. Everything I read on those being dry, metallic and uninspired was true.

Even took the E17+E12 to the store to these them out.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/19/13 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

If anyone from the EU wants to build an X1 headset you can pair the X1 with the Reloop RHM-10 easily since the connector fits. 

Nice find, but hefty impedance on those Feg (2.2 Ohm: at least they quote it!). Have emailed Beyer about these: http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/accessories/custom-headset-gear.html. Can't imagine they're any better impedance wise, but seeing as the stock cable on the X1 is 1.8 Ohm you never know. Also both cost a lot, but at least both are ideal if you're lucky to use headphones with detachable cables :)

 

EDIT: got a reply from Beyer:

 

The guys from our R&D department told me today that the impedance of the cable must be much below 1 Ohm. If you have further questions don’t hesitate to contact me.

 

Best Regards,

 

Joscha Kretschmann, B.A.

Product and Marketing Manager Headphones

 

Also check out these - pretty decent reviews: http://v-moda.com/boompro-microphone/


Edited by SaLX - 10/30/13 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Umm, no. It's the only closed Audio Technica with a clear A900x label, demos at Best Buy. Been to various different Best Buys, and all of the A900x demos bored me to tears. I greatly prefer the Momentum that is basically next to the A900x. It's so inferior to the Momentum, I'd be pissed if I was AT and my headphones were next to the Momentum. At least the A900x was SLIIIIGHTLY less of a disappointment than the K550. Everything I read on those being dry, metallic and uninspired was true.

Even took the E17+E12 to the store to these them out.

Hmm, I find that kinda strange... They are being compared to the DT990 a lot while being slightly different and inferior.

Anyway, I don't think my big ears can fit the Momentums and I don't want on-ears so...

I hope I'll find them better than you did, after all we all hear differently...

 

But your opinion seems to pretty much contradict everything I read lol... Beats me,

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Pleather pads > I had a pair of Audio Technicas and I have to weigh in on this: if you've got stubble, and don't shave twice a day then you might as well give your cat your headphones to play with. Pleather gets ripped to sh** in no time (unless you're female or under 15). Had the A500's way back and within 2 months the pads were shredded badly at the bottom. Seriously avoid. And please note that I am not an ape.

 

Also too: avoid the A500's because they're anaemic, lifeless and dull (these are the closed backs - still costly). Might as well have tossed them to my cat on unboxing and saved me the effort.


Edited by SaLX - 10/19/13 at 2:54pm
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After some research I find that AKG Q701 is too expensive for me (I am from Czech Republic and price here is 400$, and with earpads and amp it will be too much expensive). So I am thinking about Sony MDR MA900, these looks pretty nice and according to reviews they are good (and also price is nice). But do I still need a headphone amp with MA900 (which advised me Evshrug and PurpleAngel, FiiO E09k), or my Xonar DX is enough to MA900?

And I got advice to look on the AKG K612 pro. Could someone tell me something about K612, if they are also good for gaming, cause I didnt find some information and experiences with gaming. I read some review here on head-fi, comparision between K612 and K702, but still want to know your opinion guys, which one you think is better.

Thank you for all replies and advices.

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Originally Posted by Ordokon View Post
 

After some research I find that AKG Q701 is too expensive for me (I am from Czech Republic and price here is 400$, and with earpads and amp it will be too much expensive). So I am thinking about Sony MDR MA900, these looks pretty nice and according to reviews they are good (and also price is nice). But do I still need a headphone amp with MA900 (which advised me Evshrug and PurpleAngel, FiiO E09k), or my Xonar DX is enough to MA900?

And I got advice to look on the AKG K612 pro. Could someone tell me something about K612, if they are also good for gaming, cause I didnt find some information and experiences with gaming. I read some review here on head-fi, comparision between K612 and K702, but still want to know your opinion guys, which one you think is better.

Thank you for all replies and advices.

 

Unfortunately, I can't comment on any of the headphones you mentioned :/

 

Just wanted to say hi to my fellow bohemian :D

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