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post #15121 of 25049
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

I'm gonna guess that hf stands for high fidelity.
Not to sound dumb, but what is an isolator and how do I get one? The odd part is I don't hear these things with my Q701 or KSC75.


http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10844&cs_id=1084402&p_id=6909&seq=1&format=2


Something like that. Generally hum/buzz/hiss/noises are caused by ground loops and devices such at that linked above can basically make it silent.

There are different ones from the one I linked but basically something like that. There is debate however as to whether or not using an isolator degrades sound quality a little bit, but I don't personally think it does.
post #15122 of 25049
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

So... I'm kinda annoyed with my DSS. Mostly just a preference thing. I got my new headphones and was testing them out (yes, my New V-MODA M-100), but it's been a little while since I used a detailed headphone with the DSS (the KSC are pretty detailed, but not on the same level as the Q701 or M-100), and the echos were really apparent last night. Not super impressed playing Splinter Cell: Conviction on surround cues either. Add to that, I think the M-100 are more sensitive since they are lower impedance than the Q701, so I have a fair/distracting during gameplay amount of background noise when I connect to my external amps. OI think I'm going to buy back a Recon3D USB... NAmeless, you still got yours for sale?

Impedance doesn't necessarily correlate with sensitivity but yeah the M-100's are way more sensitive than the K 701. The observed background noise means your amp has a high noise floor.

post #15123 of 25049
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Impedance doesn't necessarily correlate with sensitivity but yeah the M-100's are way more sensitive than the K 701. The observed background noise means your amp has a high noise floor.
True, but I thought the Koss KSC75 were relatively sensitive too. And I might expect a fairly noticeable noise floor from the cheap DSS and tube amp, but not between iPod with LO adapter (L11) + E12. Oh well. I think that another contributing factor is that I can't find my short FiiO interconnects, so I used my Shareplay cable (still bundled together in a neat loop) between iPod and FiiO amp, that probably created magnetic and possibly other electronic interference (you know how you make an electromagnet?), and right now I've got a mess of criss-crossing power and interconnect wires for my Xbox, DSS, Tube amp (each of those have power cables), and my M-100 headphones. I'm probably moving into an apartment next weekend, so I'll finally have a living space I care about than the very temporary feeling I have in my mom's house, and I'll be careful with cable management and setup.
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^ Ah okay. Yeah many cables crisscrossing could be an issue too.

 

@ MLE

 

How did the the SR-407's imaging compare to that of the Q 701 for gaming? I just ordered a new SRS-2170 (amp + earspeakers) from Japan for $590 USD and I'm eager to try it out for gaming in comparison to my 8-bump headband K 701.

post #15125 of 25049

At a local Guitar Center I was able to try on the Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro headphone and they felt wonderful. The sound was great also but I am not sure which to buy to match with a MixAmp.

 

I assume the DT990 32 ohm ($269) would work just fine with the MixAmp but my question is does the DT990 250 ohm work ok with a MixAmp as well or does the 250 ohm version need a stronger amp? I would like to save a ton of cash and buy the 250 ohm ($168) version but I do not want to make a mistake that I will regret later.

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The 250ohm version is less stressful for the Mixamp, though it won't be as loud. Neither are Mixamp friendly if you don't attach an amp (when using voice chat). You can get by with the mixamp alone, but all the Beyerdynamics I have reviewed improve considerably with amping.

People need to understand 250ohm headphones were designed for home stereo systems, not mini little amps. Also, just because a headphone has a low impedance, does not make them easy to drive (HE-4 is the hardest headphone to drive on my list, and it's only 40ohm). The 32ohm Beyers are actually quite power dependent, even if they do get loud easy. Volume does not equal being driven properly. The 32ohm will sound worse than the 250ohm even unamped, though it will be louder. You need a good amp to make them sound on equal footing, and even then, the 250ohm is more refined. 32ohm Beyers are illogical in that they always sound worse than the 250 and 600ohm, and require more power than the 250ohm anyways. They are only useful if you absolutely need them because you have no amping, but expect worse sound quality.

In the case of the 990s... the 990 Pro will be better than the 990/32, though the 990 Pro will be a little more bassy. The 32ohm sounds like the 600ohm, but not as refined, and more congested. If you plan on an amp (even something like the Magni), the 600ohm is the best version. The 250ohm is if you want a little more bass.

Honestly though, if you can spring for the Fidelio X1, I completely recommend going for that instead. It's like a better behaved 990, with strong bass and really good mid to treble linearity. Gaming performance is on par as well. Best thing, they need very little power, so the Mixamp alone is fine. I know my review isn't up, but it's worth it.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/14/13 at 5:13am
post #15127 of 25049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The 250ohm version is less stressful for the Mixamp, though it won't be as loud. Neither are Mixamp friendly if you don't attach an amp (when using voice chat). You can get by with the mixamp alone, but all the Beyerdynamics I have reviewed improve considerably with amping.

People need to understand 250ohm headphones were designed for home stereo systems, not mini little amps. Also, just because a headphone has a low impedance, does not make them easy to drive (HE-4 is the hardest headphone to drive on my list, and it's only 40ohm). The 32ohm Beyers are actually quite power dependent, even if they do get loud easy. Volume does not equal being driven properly. The 32ohm will sound worse than the 250ohm even unamped, though it will be louder. You need a good amp to make them sound on equal footing, and even then, the 250ohm is more refined. 32ohm Beyers are illogical in that they always sound worse than the 250 and 600ohm, and require more power than the 250ohm anyways. They are only useful if you absolutely need them because you have no amping, but expect worse sound quality.

In the case of the 990s... the 990 Pro will be better than the 990/32, though the 990 Pro will be a little more bassy. The 32ohm sounds like the 600ohm, but not as refined, and more congested. If you plan on an amp (even something like the Magni), the 600ohm is the best version. The 250ohm is if you want a little more bass.

Honestly though, if you can spring for the Fidelio X1, I completely recommend going for that instead. It's like a better behaved 990, with strong bass and really good mid to treble linearity. Gaming performance is on par as well. Best thing, they need very little power, so the Mixamp alone is fine. I know my review isn't up, but it's worth it.

Couldn't agree with you more on the Beyers. I've owned or tried all three DT990's and for me the 250 was the best. I thought the 32 would be easier to amp and better sounding and all it was was louder at lower volumes but sounded worse than the other two. For the money the DT990/250 Pro's are a steal at $160 and under. Always regretted getting rid of them.


Thanks,


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post #15128 of 25049
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Originally Posted by Zalbik View Post

At a local Guitar Center I was able to try on the Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro headphone and they felt wonderful. The sound was great also but I am not sure which to buy to match with a MixAmp.

 

I assume the DT990 32 ohm ($269) would work just fine with the MixAmp but my question is does the DT990 250 ohm work ok with a MixAmp as well or does the 250 ohm version need a stronger amp? I would like to save a ton of cash and buy the 250 ohm ($168) version but I do not want to make a mistake that I will regret later.

I like and own 6 (higher impedance) Beyerdynamic headphones, 2 of them are 600-Ohm and 4 of them are 300-Ohm, they all sound better with a good headphone amplifier (better then the Mix-amps amplifier).

I think these model Beyer's are using a diaphragm first designed back in the 70s.

 

So why not look into getting low impedance (Ohm) headphone that will work fine plugged straight into the Mix-amp.

Like Audio Technica ATH-AD900X open headphones (only 38-Ohms).

Digbuy sells the ATH-AD900X for $199.99, with free shipping.

 

How about a Sennheiser HD558 headphone (50-Ohm), used ones can sometimes sell for just over $100.


Edited by PurpleAngel - 7/14/13 at 9:10am
post #15129 of 25049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Honestly though, if you can spring for the Fidelio X1, I completely recommend going for that instead. It's like a better behaved 990, with strong bass and really good mid to treble linearity. Gaming performance is on par as well. Best thing, they need very little power, so the Mixamp alone is fine. I know my review isn't up, but it's worth it.

 

Hmmmm....is $237 a good price for the X1? 

 

They are $250 but they had a coupon code that brings it down to $237

 

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_70121_Philips-Fidelio-X1-X1-28-Premium-Open-Back-Hi-Fi-Over-Ear-Headphones.html

 

They are back ordered but I called them up and they said they should have their next shipment on Monday  or Tuesday so the wait would not be long. 

post #15130 of 25049
$250 is a greeeeat price for the X1; at $237, if you're even thinking about the X1, you'll probably regret not jumping on that price. If this is your first big headphone purchase, you will immediately be surprised at the difference a headphone of this caliber makes with music, gaming, and movies.

I watched a movie at my girlfriend's recently; her family has a really nice 52" Panasonic Plasma TV, the picture quality is great but I was frustrated at how indistinct the movie dialogue was. She was used to not really knowing what was said here and there, but since I am used to knowing what's going on because of my headphones (and decent ht speakers), I had to turn on subtitles. Watching a 5.1 surround movie with good headphones is a revelation, like going from VHS on an old 26" TV from the 90's straight up to a Blu-Ray on a big plasma HDTV!

Wait till you play some of your favourite games wink.gif


miceblue,
Yeah, if I wasn't having company over, I would be tidying up right now. Part of the problem is just a lot of long wires and devices crowded together in one space.
Edited by Evshrug - 7/14/13 at 10:58am
post #15131 of 25049
probably one of the best prices you will see for them i think.
post #15132 of 25049

Newbie question: Is the K702 on the same level as the Q701 (Or even the K701)? Is it better to go with the K702 or get the Q701?

 

Thanks!

post #15133 of 25049
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

In general you should only enable DH as far as I know... The windows output to the sound card should be set to 5.1 or 7.1. Whether to use dolby 1/2/3 is up to u. 1 is recording room, 3 is concert hall or somehting like that.

 

Whay is hf?

 

Dunno what to chooes ingame, but I guess it should be 5.1 or 7.1  audio or something like that if the game supports it.

I get it no.

HF is hifi and it means that it turns of all additional effects for music listening.

 

So I am setting channels to 6 or 8 but would it benefit or "wont work" if I set the windows/channels to 8 and game was dts/5.1 only ?

also. Using sample rate of 44.1 for everything is ok isnt it ? I dont need it to be 96 like it was et on by default right ?

post #15134 of 25049
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Originally Posted by xEzio View Post

Newbie question: Is the K702 on the same level as the Q701 (Or even the K701)? Is it better to go with the K702 or get the Q701?

 

Thanks!

I've read that:

 

K 701 (earlier 7-bump headband) = K 702

 

Q 701 = K 701 (newer 8-bump headband)

post #15135 of 25049
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Originally Posted by HiCZoK View Post

 

also. Using sample rate of 44.1 for everything is ok isnt it ? I dont need it to be 96 like it was et on by default right ?

44.1 sample rate is not good if you listen to 48/96/192kHz sampled music AFAIK.

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