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post #14716 of 26206
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Originally Posted by Happy Bullets View Post

I just ordered a pair from Justin at Headamp after he brought them out to the Dallas meet. Plan on getting some good quality COD time when they show up. 

 

I'm interested in TH600 impressions.

 

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post #14717 of 26206
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Hi again,
here comes the next question. This is a big discussion on HeadFi.org.  When DHT v4 is activated for headphone use, does Windows or the running application send real 5.1 or 7.1 to the sound processor ? Or does it only provide stereo information that is kind of processed to sound like surround.
So is it real multi-channel information or only stereo the basis for what DHT v4 sends to the headphone? That is very important for a lot of FPS gamers out on HeadFi.org and elsewhere.  And the new interface tells us nothing about what’s going on behind the curtain…
Please clarify

Peter
Hi Peter-

Thanks for the email.  In Dolby Home Theater v4 the headphone virtualizer algorithm receives and processes discrete multichannel audio.  Hope this helps.

-The Dolby Game Team
 
 

Sooo-is it real virtual surround?
What does "discrete multichannel audio" mean...
Edited by minion1990 - 6/26/13 at 4:27am
post #14718 of 26206

Tried Razer surround and to be honest, being that it is free... it actually is pretty, decent.

Not as immersive as DH though and the added bass boost doesn't sound natural, suggest to keep it off. But positional cues are actually pretty okay, didn't took too long for my ears to adjust to where sounds are coming from.

 

Otherwise, on a whim where one doesn't have DH or SBX Surround, or any other HRTF tech then Razer's isn't really that bad.

post #14719 of 26206

Would the M50s be a good fit for the PS vita? basically looking for something to take as a portable solution which doesnt require an amp, and the M50s get so much praise. I dont like ear piece style headphones so looking for an actual headphone. It would either be M50s or something like an AD700 since it doesnt require an amp either. Looking for suggestions on those 2 pairs or something similar.

 

 

 

BTW I absolutely LOVE my Annies/Asgard 2 setup, It's just awesome playing games with them now, I can't believe how good they are lol.

post #14720 of 26206
Thread Starter 
The M50 is great for that. I still think it's awkwardly big for portable use, but if you don't mind big-ish headphones for portable use, shoot. It's a great headphone. I think the Creative Aurvana Live is also another alternative, and is a smaller headphone too. The cable isn't huge either. I'd go with that instead. Bigger soundstage and super soft pads. It's about $100 less too, and they're actually comparable in technical prowess. The M50 has a better build quality though.

Just wanna say my stepfather has both in my mother's house and I listen to them on occasion. They're both still wonderful to me.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/26/13 at 9:18am
post #14721 of 26206
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SWEET! Just got my Xonar U3.

It has something that is VERY, VERY important, and I didn't even realize it had. The headphone jack also doubles as an SPDIF out! the signal carries Dolby Headphone, meaning I can use my Compass 2 as the DAC and amp!! Hell, I could set it to send Dolby Digital Live, and I could use my Mixamp if I wanted to! Not that I need it as The U3 IS basically a Mixamp, but I can at least test out the differences in DH between the two.

Reading a review, it seems to be an external version of the Xonar DG. Interedasting!

edit: hmm, it's skipping the audio through my Compass 2, so I'm not positive it will work like I intended it to. We'll see. I'm sure the settings are effed, atm.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/26/13 at 10:12am
post #14722 of 26206

Hello,

I'm new to headphones and I have a question:

 

Currently I've got a Creative X-Fi Soundblaster Titanium (about 50€) which supports CMSS-3D Virtual Surround. 

If I want to get a Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro (250Ω), will it run fine if I get an Amp but no DAC? I read a lot about this but this topic really confuses me. I was thinking about an Fiio QOGIR E09K. Will it be sufficient? I don't want to spend more money than 250€ for the Beyers(160€), Amp and all the other stuff together. Maybe you have other recommendations concerning Headphones and Amps for me. I'll probably need to get a microphone too. I'm from Europe, Austria.

Currently I've got a Turtle Beach X41 headset + station plugged in the optical of my soundcard and I'm using the bypass function to get a bit of surround sound. I use them mostly for competetive gaming (50%), the rest is music of all kinds, videos and immersive gaming experiences.

 

I hope someone can clarify this to me.

post #14723 of 26206
Thread Starter 
Your soundcard IS a DAC. I dunno if that card bypasses the CMSS-3D processing through it's optical out, which would then benefit from a legit dac, but if it doesn't, you could use the soundcard as a pre-amp to the E9K, to power the DT990 pro. Either way, the headphones are solid, as is the E9K. Ask Nameless or the others on his guide, which they are a LOT more knowledgeable on the soundcard part of this.
post #14724 of 26206

So this basically means, if CMSS-3D gets bypassed optical I need to get an DAC for virtual surround or a 3.5mm headphone that works without an amp, right?

I saw some 3.5mm-input amps I could probably put between the soundcard and the dt990s, but will they be fitting?

Also thanks for the fast reply, I really appreciate the headphone list you made wink.gif.


Edited by SatrDrive - 6/26/13 at 10:28am
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Well, ideally you don't need anything but your soundcard, and just plug in the headphones. But since we here tend to use headphones that benefit from beefier amps, we tend to attach amps. I dunno how good your soundcard is at powering headphones. The 990 Pro needs at least an entry level desktop amp for power. The soundcard will do surround processing directly to the headphone, you just may not be dricving it properly.

Lots of soundcards don't bypass the surround audio through the optical out. Like I said, ask on the Nameless Pc guide (linked on the first page here). They can help you out better.
post #14726 of 26206

Thanks, I'll check out the creative headphones and see what kind of pricing I can find

post #14727 of 26206
Thread Starter 
ARGH, so it's not the U3 that is the problem, it's my Compass 2! I fed the SPDIF signal to the Mixamp to see if the audio skips... nope. It plays perfectly fine. So it looks like my Compass 2 just won't play nice with the U3's optical out capabilities. WTF. This sucks. I wanted to use my Compass 2 as my DAC and AMP while being fed from the U3's spdif out (to pass Dolby headphone on to the Compass 2). Ah well...

Tried Mirror's Edge, and DH doesn't seem as good as the Mixamp, so I'm gonna have to do some tweaking. I was afraid of that.
post #14728 of 26206
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Originally Posted by SatrDrive View Post

Hello,

I'm new to headphones and I have a question:

 

Currently I've got a Creative X-Fi Soundblaster Titanium (about 50€) which supports CMSS-3D Virtual Surround. 

If I want to get a Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro (250Ω), will it run fine if I get an Amp but no DAC? I read a lot about this but this topic really confuses me. I was thinking about an Fiio QOGIR E09K. Will it be sufficient? I don't want to spend more money than 250€ for the Beyers(160€), Amp and all the other stuff together. Maybe you have other recommendations concerning Headphones and Amps for me. I'll probably need to get a microphone too. I'm from Europe, Austria.

Currently I've got a Turtle Beach X41 headset + station plugged in the optical of my sound card and I'm using the bypass function to get a bit of surround sound. I use them mostly for competetive gaming (50%), the rest is music of all kinds, videos and immersive gaming experiences.

The Fiio E09K should work just fine plugged into the line-out/headphone output jack on the Titanium sound card.

The Titanium does come with a fairly decent DAC chip (CS4385?)

 

And the E09K should easily drive the DT990 Pro 250-Ohm headphones.

 

GAME ON!

 

In the future you can always swap out the Titanium (non-HD) for the Titanium HD, as the Titanium HD comes with a better DAC and op-amps.

You would plug the E09K into the Titanium HD's RCA outputs (which can pass headphone surround sound).

And make a few dollars selling off the Titanium (non-HD).


Edited by PurpleAngel - 6/26/13 at 11:42am
post #14729 of 26206
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Originally Posted by minion1990 View Post


Sooo-is it real virtual surround?
What does "discrete multichannel audio" mean...

It means that all available channels are processed autonomous, not mixed in a matrix stereo signal and then recalculated as the first Dolby implementations like Dolby Surround did 30 years ago before we got the processing power to go DIGITAL.

post #14730 of 26206
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

The Fiio E09K should work just fine plugged into the line-out/headphone output jack on the Titanium sound card.

The Titanium does come with a fairly decent DAC chip (CS4385?)

 

And the E09K should easily drive the DT990 Pro 250-Ohm headphones.

Do you think there is a cheaper amp than the E09K which will power the headphones about nearly as well? Because 105€ is quite on the budget limit.

 

 

Great sound is essential for me, so I really want to thank you, Envy and Nameless for all your help!

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