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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

My point is someone who hasn't stepped into that $300 open-can range needs to start somewhere and either of those aren't a bad place for that. Need to start identifying your preferences somewhere.

 

x2

 

It's good to research and research some more to narrow down which headphone you think will be the best fit for you, but eventually you've got to just try them yourself though. 

 

There's no substitute for actually wearing a headphone and using it for a while.  That's why the FS forum here is always bustling and full of headphones for sale.  People just have to try them out, and if they don't like them they just sell them to move on to another headphone.  That's how Head-fi works, and it's completely normal.

post #13682 of 25693
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Its missing a lot of words I'd expect to be in there...

What I really don't get is how a highly detailed sound is not musical.... People saying that a headphone being analytical makes it bad... I don't get that. And I really don't understand how the DT880s are supposed to sound other then neutral. They don't have anywhere near as many reviews as I'd expect, and its hard to get a picture of its sound signature in my mind compared to the Q701s. Of course expectations will be off from what it is, but I don't want to go into these on a blind purchase...

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Its missing a lot of words I'd expect to be in there...
What I really don't get is how a highly detailed sound is not musical.... People saying that a headphone being analytical makes it bad... I don't get that. And I really don't understand how the DT880s are supposed to sound other then neutral. They don't have anywhere near as many reviews as I'd expect, and its hard to get a picture of its sound signature in my mind compared to the Q701s. Of course expectations will be off from what it is, but I don't want to go into these on a blind purchase...
Well, I haven't heard the DT880 myself, FWIH it's not MORE bassy, just it has less low-bass roll off (almost none). I want to try them too, and a month or so back a local head-fi'er contacted me and wanted to share auditions, but he ended up being busy on the set day, and then he ended up not free the next week, then... he discovered anti-gravity and fell off the face of the earth? I'd still like to hear (and feel the comfort of) them some day.

Regarding why analytical USUALLY is anti-musical, the thinking is a lot like when people caution against gear obsession and lose sight of music and audio. If you're picking apart all the technical details and separating all the instruments, then most would lose sight of the effect of the whole ensemble, how they compliment eachother; and frankly sometimes when it's too tight and controlled, then it feels like something is being held back from ROCKING OUT!, and it's just not as exciting. My AD700 had it's moments where it had me really involved and could make some things sound startlingly realistic and present for a moment, BUT some music sounded flat-out boring, like the Arcade Fire's "Suburbs" album which mostly sounds AWESOME and gets my feet twitching when I listen with the Q701, and the HD202 I first heard it on. True story: I first heard the album on borrowed HD202s (cheap Sennheiser) while washing dishes at Panera, I listened straight through with the album on repeat well past the point the headphones started hurting my ears (they went numb eventually), but when I got home and listened with the fairly analytical AD700 (from the same iPod source), I got bored. That album never sounded very exciting on those AD700.
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post
like the Arcade Fire's "Suburbs" album which mostly sounds AWESOME and gets my feet twitching when I listen with the Q701.

I love that album. My Annies make it that much better. k701smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Murder Mike View Post

I love that album. My Annies make it that much better. k701smile.gif

Woot!
Have you heard Wilco "Whole Love" or "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" albums? So good smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Regarding why analytical USUALLY is anti-musical, the thinking is a lot like when people caution against gear obsession and lose sight of music and audio. If you're picking apart all the technical details and separating all the instruments, then most would lose sight of the effect of the whole ensemble, how they compliment eachother; and frankly sometimes when it's too tight and controlled, then it feels like something is being held back from ROCKING OUT!, and it's just not as exciting.

 

Then I've never listened to a song, and frankly, I wouldn't want to. When I listen to music, I hear every note as I would see it on sheet music, I hear all the EQs the producer used, I hear the entire process, all of the sweat and blood that went into the song. Its so exciting to me. I'm getting some more "musical" headphones soon, so I'll see if I wasted my money there.

 

When songs are played in the background of things, I get really distracted because I can't stop focusing on it. I can't just listen to music and sit still.

 

Edit: I just realized the reason I boost my treble by 6 db is not because I like treble, but because it gives off a false sense of detail. My 280s aren't detailed enough for me.


Edited by daleb - 5/21/13 at 3:55pm
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Hello guys - i need your help please.

 

I'm planning to buy some headphones for gaming with good positioning and music (80's, 90's, Rock, synthie pop, classic and jazz).

Which of these should i take?

(btw. its ridicuosly that these headphones would be cheaper for me to ship from USA then buying in Vienna or in an austrian web shop)

  • AKG K701 (260 $ in Austria)
  • AKG Q701 (335 $ in AUT
  • AKG K702 Annie (740 $ in AUT)

 

or should i wait upon the AKG K612 or K712 Pro (do they have memory foam pads?)

 

any suggestions? - is the positioning of the K601/612 worse than of the K7xx?

 

thx

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Has anyone here tried the SoundMAGIC HP100 for gaming? I ended up returning the 840 and getting these instead, and I must say... WOW! For a closed can it has a very good soundstage and is extremely fun.

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Thread Starter 
Sounds like a bass heavy closed can... which is pretty standard fare nowadays.
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Originally Posted by minion1990 View Post

Hello guys - i need your help please.

 

I'm planning to buy some headphones for gaming with good positioning and music (80's, 90's, Rock, synthie pop, classic and jazz).

Which of these should i take?

(btw. its ridicuosly that these headphones would be cheaper for me to ship from USA then buying in Vienna or in an austrian web shop)

  • AKG K701 (260 $ in Austria)
  • AKG Q701 (335 $ in AUT
  • AKG K702 Annie (740 $ in AUT)

 

or should i wait upon the AKG K612 or K712 Pro (do they have memory foam pads?)

 

any suggestions? - is the positioning of the K601/612 worse than of the K7xx?

 

thx


Depends on whether you would find the bumps on the headband uncomfortable. If not, get the Q701s, then if the bass isn't enough for you, buy the Annie pads.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Sounds like a bass heavy closed can... which is pretty standard fare nowadays.

 

I don't know, man. All the other closed cans I've tried don't have this kind of soundstage. Well, at least in my price range...

 

Also, I wouldn't call it bass heavy... it's slightly above neutral.

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Originally Posted by minion1990 View Post


  • AKG K701 (260 $ in Austria)
  • AKG Q701 (335 $ in AUT
  • AKG K702 Annie (740 $ in AUT)

 

or should i wait upon the AKG K612 or K712 Pro (do they have memory foam pads?)

 

any suggestions? - is the positioning of the K601/612 worse than of the K7xx?


The anniversaries are not worth 2.5x the price of the regular x70x.  If you can't get the anniversaries for ~$100 usd more than the Q701, just get the Q701 and then get the memory foam pads separate.  The new K701s may also sound like the Q701s.

 

K712 should be the anniversary in a different color scheme.  The K612 (K601) doesn't have memory foam and sounds different than the K70x.  I'm not to familiar with how they sound though.


Edited by chicolom - 5/21/13 at 7:27pm
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BTW, just a heads up that FiiO has a new device that's designed for quickly comparing headphones, amps, DACs, etc.

 

It's called the FiiO HS2. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515686658488872&set=a.407021432688729.95967.261372647253609&type=1

http://www.head-fi.org/t/659603/introduction-about-hs2-headphone-signal-switcher

 

It can be had for $20 shipped, is about the size of the E10, and comes with 4 mini-to-mini interconnects.  FYI there is nothing on the market like this for this price.  That's why FiiO made it - they needed one for themselves but there's couldn't find any on the market so they just made their own.

 

This is something that a lot of Head-fiers could use, myself included (I just ordered one) so I thought I'd share it here.

 

Thanks again AxelCloris for posting about it wink.gif

 

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There is also a similar device called the "TCC TC-716 6-Way Stereo Source Selector":

 

It's $29, and is more versatile than the FiiO HS2.  It has 6 IN/OUT ports (4x Dual RCAs, and 2x 3.5mm jacks), and all the of ports function as either an input or output depending on what is connected.  They each have individual ON/OFF switches, so you can have any combination of the ports switched on.  That means you can have any combination between 1 input to 5 outputs...and 5 inputs to 1 output simultaneously.  You can also just use it as a simple switcher by just activating two ports at a time.

 

I own one of these as well.

 

I've got my DSS, Mixamp 5.8, ODAC, etc. all hooked up with the M-Stage hooked up as an output. 

So I can easily switch the sources ON and OFF and mix in music from my PC/Sansa Clip+ while gaming.


Edited by chicolom - 5/21/13 at 10:01pm
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How does the AD700's bass campare to the SR60i?
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