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I still completely disagree on that. There are times when I listen to these that music can come pretty close to making me cry out of sheer joy from the beauty of the sound. If these headphones are somehow truly bad, then what would a good pair even do to me? I don't think that would be good for my health.

 

Edit:What is so bad about them? I don't get it...

 

Edit 2: Now that I don't have a headache, these are really comfortable again! I bought some dark blue spray paint to make these things look good enough to take outside.


Edited by daleb - 5/19/13 at 8:01pm
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Ok guys, let's not put people on the defensive...
I don't honestly know that much about the HD280, other that it's intended for studio use, because it is almost never recommended by virtue (or should I say, vice) of it's unusually strong clamping force. I honestly think the people that can wear it have a narrower head, and/or their ear area goes numb from the pressure. I don't usually see people complain about their sound, but I HAVE read reviews where Grados and even Bose are regarded as having superior sound.

The main benefits of the HD280 is strong passive isolation, and durability. Those are "pros" for Pros in the industry. Cons are comfort and compromised soundstage, and the SQ is still below the highly reviewed "best value" headphones even after you take out the "tuned for studio mastering" facet. I wouldn't say they are a BAD headphone, rather I would say they fulfill a very specific need and may be too purpose-biased for the general consumer. IMO, I'd rather have Etymotics for isolation and portability in noisy situations, they're comparatively more comfortable for me than closed supra-aural headphones and scientifically proven to offer much more isolation (like +60 dB I believe), and then have a super-comfy, open, reference headphone to relax to at home.

I think what RogueGeek's main point was one I experienced when I first got into higher end audio: I heard it, and I was immediately like "why did I wait so long?" Same thing with past computer purchases. Learn vicariously from us.
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Ok guys, let's not put people on the defensive...
I don't honestly know that much about the HD280, other that it's intended for studio use, because it is almost never recommended by virtue (or should I say, vice) of it's unusually strong clamping force. I honestly think the people that can wear it have a narrower head, and/or their ear area goes numb from the pressure. I don't usually see people complain about their sound, but I HAVE read reviews where Grados and even Bose are regarded as having superior sound.

The main benefits of the HD280 is strong passive isolation, and durability. Those are "pros" for Pros in the industry. Cons are comfort and compromised soundstage, and the SQ is still below the highly reviewed "best value" headphones even after you take out the "tuned for studio mastering" facet. I wouldn't say they are a BAD headphone, rather I would say they fulfill a very specific need and may be too purpose-biased for the general consumer. IMO, I'd rather have Etymotics for isolation and portability in noisy situations, they're comparatively more comfortable for me than closed supra-aural headphones and scientifically proven to offer much more isolation (like +60 dB I believe), and then have a super-comfy, open, reference headphone to relax to at home.

I think what RogueGeek's main point was one I experienced when I first got into higher end audio: I heard it, and I was immediately like "why did I wait so long?" Same thing with past computer purchases. Learn vicariously from us.

Actually, it strongest ability isn't studio use, its DJ use, and it truly is one of the best headphones in the price range for that. It has almost a 5 db boost on the sub bass that kind of cuts through the rest of the sound. When DJing, this allows you to hear exactly when the beat happens, and of course allows you to get into the rhythm of the song for that purpose. For what it was designed for, the 280s do their job perfectly.  Of course it also does great on isolation for a full sized can (I don't know if anyone could pull off DJing with an IEM, really). I'm so used to the sound, though, that it works wonders for me, even if everyone else hates it.

 

My HA-S500s will be in next week, so we will see if these are really so bad at the price point smily_headphones1.gif

Then I'll be getting the Q701s a month from now, so I'll get to finally hear some high end audio!


Edited by daleb - 5/19/13 at 9:34pm
post #13669 of 26362
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I think the 280 Pro is a pretty decent sounding headphone, signature-wise. Well balanced, with no real strengths or weaknesses. It's what I've come to expect of Sennheiser. Workhorse headphones with inoffensive sound quality, and strong clamp, lol.

It just isn't good for virtual surround gaming with it's extremely closed soundstage.

I apologize for the lack of 'proper' review of them. I wrote it when I was starting out this guide, and had obviously not hit my stride in terms of review quantity and quality. All I basically said was that they were uncomfortable and they didn't do well for gaming.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/19/13 at 10:26pm
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I'm getting the Annie headband for $20 more because it will give my Q701 that all black look after I dye the stitching.

I'll call it my very own Q712 Pro smily_headphones1.gif
 

 

Post some pics of your Q712s when you get them done!

 

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Post some pics of your Q712s when you get them done!

 

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It won't look all that nice because my only camera is my phone... frown.gif

 

But I will still do my best to share a good view of those babies when they're done. I will be ordering the headband this week and send them out to get switched as soon as it gets here. I have to send in the headphone and headband together to avoid confusion. I'm thinking maybe 30 days without my babies... confused_face.gif


Edited by Change is Good - 5/20/13 at 9:11pm
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It won't look all that nice because my only camera is my phone... frown.gif

 

But I will still do my best to share a good view of those babies when they're done. I will be ordering the headband this week and send them out to get switched as soon as it gets here. I have to send in the headphone and headband together to avoid confusion. I'm thinking maybe 30 days without my babies... confused_face.gif


I think I'd have a heart attack from that.

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I'm thinking maybe 30 days without my babies... confused_face.gif

 

I know EXACTLY how that feels.

 

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post #13674 of 26362
Hello. Ive been looking around some more, and now i cant decide whether to get the Q701s still or to get the DT880 pros now... I dont actually play competitive games, just for fun, but i also write music so i need something neutral, i also listen to electronic and orchestral... Choices like this are so hard...
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Hello. Ive been looking around some more, and now i cant decide whether to get the Q701s still or to get the DT880 pros now... I dont actually play competitive games, just for fun, but i also write music so i need something neutral, i also listen to electronic and orchestral... Choices like this are so hard...

Seems like you've been looking for a while. Just make a decision and go with it. You've picked out two very high quality mid-fi cans. You wont be upset with either purchase. My opinion is the Q701 is the better can overall and is such an extreme bargain for the sound they produce.

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Seems like you've been looking for a while. Just make a decision and go with it. You've picked out two very high quality mid-fi cans. You wont be upset with either purchase. My opinion is the Q701 is the better can overall and is such an extreme bargain for the sound they produce.


Not sure about that.. I know a fair number of people that would be unhappy with the sound either the Q701 or DT 880 produce. Some will call the former unnatural and/or hollow, and some will call the latter strident and/or cold.

 

And as a counterpoint, I feel the DT 880 is the more capable headphone. I think it would be hard to argue against the DT 880's versatility (if you're comfortable with the sound signature) due to the Q701's relative bass deficiency. They are both priced about the same AFAIK, though the Q701s are cheaper second-hand.


Edited by 3X0 - 5/21/13 at 10:03am
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Seems like you've been looking for a while. Just make a decision and go with it. You've picked out two very high quality mid-fi cans. You wont be upset with either purchase. My opinion is the Q701 is the better can overall and is such an extreme bargain for the sound they produce.

I still have 3 weeks until I get whatever I'm going to get, so I have time to still annoy everyone with my constant questioning. redface.gif

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Not sure about that.. I know a fair number of people that would be unhappy with the sound either the Q701 or DT 880 produce. Some will call the former unnatural and/or hollow, and some will call the latter strident and/or cold.

 

And as a counterpoint, I feel the DT 880 is the more capable headphone. I think it would be hard to argue against the DT 880's versatility (if you're comfortable with the sound signature) due to the Q701's relative bass deficiency. They are both priced about the same AFAIK, though the Q701s are cheaper second-hand.

My point is someone who hasn't stepped into that $300 open-can range needs to start somewhere and either of those aren't a bad place for that. Need to start identifying your preferences somewhere. As for the DT 880 vs Q701, I'm overtly more of a treble kinda guy, so of course, I lean towards the Q701. That's just my preference.

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Not sure about that.. I know a fair number of people that would be unhappy with the sound either the Q701 or DT 880 produce. Some will call the former unnatural and/or hollow, and some will call the latter strident and/or cold.

I have a hard time figuring out what it means to be cold... Some say the 280s are some of the most cold headphones out there, but I still hear tons of emotion in them...

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I have a hard time figuring out what it means to be cold... Some say the 280s are some of the most cold headphones out there, but I still hear tons of emotion in them...

http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

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