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post #13501 of 26088
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's best you get acquainted with one for at least a week, then use the other. Hot swapping isn't really helpful unless the headphones are similar in tonal balance, and you've been well acquainted with both.

Swapping from say a Mad Dog to a Pro 900, or HD650 vs DT990 wouldn't be good whatsoever. When frequency response is quite different, you will find one to be awful if you were used to the other. I.e. If using a dark headphone for a long period and switching to a bright headphone, the bright headphone will sound like pure treble death. If vice-versa, the dark one will sound awfully slow and muddy.

The best you can get in such extreme circumstances is soundstage and positional cues, IMHO.

 

Thanks, yeah it makes sense to have for one week the new headphones.

Is this how you do with all the headphones that you have tested in youre guide?

 

I will be getting K601 to have as reference for future headphones (if needed).

My current(and only ever had) headphones are Sennheiser HD212pro, I have had them very long maybe 7-10years.

They are closed and are considered to be bass & "fun" friendly according these reviews 

Ive read they have good positional direction for gaming considered they are closed, my guess is that the K601 propably is better.

 

The K601 are supposed to be on the low side when it comes to bass, they are open headphones, analytical(?), Ive read one member write they have similar sound to Q701, some say it is quality wise slightly below or equal to K701.

 

Price wise here in Sweden it is much lower compared to K701/Q701 so it logicaly should be not as good but regardless I'm hoping to be satisfied with them :)

 

Basicaly the K701 is 50% more expensive then K601, then the Q701 is 100% more expensive then K601, and lastly K702annie is 100% more expensive then Q701 so the Annie is 4 times as expensive as K601 

post #13502 of 26088
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Thing is, I can listen to the LCD2, and go all the way down to an M50, and still think they sound great. I'm not overly critical unless a headphone just sounds plain bad. I take price to performance into consideration, but I don't belittle headphones on a lower level, just because I'm used to the higher end stuff. A good headphone is a good headphone, regardless of price.

There's a lot of people that as soon as they get the next best thing, everything before it is now obsolete. I'm not one of these people.

On that note folks, I would like to point out that the Little Koss that Could, the KSC75 clip-ons (and the KTXPRO1 I know next to nothing about) are the gold box deals on Amazon today, only $9.99. I may snag a pair for portable use smily_headphones1.gif
post #13503 of 26088
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Playing music with Dolby. Obviously doing it wrong.

And you can sacrifice your positioning, while I continue to get the upper hand because of so called dolbything. smily_headphones1.gif

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Guess who I am? And guess why I do as well as I do? This is a prime example why Dolby Headphone is a definite must have. Plain stereo gives you mostly linear sound cues with extreme left and right sound cues and everything in between. Dolby Headphone places sounds around you, and in time, becomes absolute second nature. Sound is more often than not, more important than actual sight. When you can kill 3 people in a room by shooting through the wall accurately, DH is doing it's thing.

I'm sure there are many people who agreee with you on not using it, and I'm sure it's the main reason why they consistently stay below me on the leaderboards, and keep being sent messages calling me a hacker/cheater. wink.gif

If more people used DH with a solid pair of cans, I wouldn't be as dominant.

Believe me, use a pair of good headphones and DH (properly set up, which might be quite hard to do on PC) for at a few weeks without playing in stereo. Then go back to stereo and tell me is every bit as good as DH. Raw fidelity, sure. Accurate sound placement, immersion, I think not. It's like putting blinders on. I may as well be playing without looking at the screen.

You really should post your impressions on the guide, and not here, as this is the K712 thread, not the dolbything thread.

 

 

you want impressions OK no prob .

 

I played a lot of multiplayer FPS and i still do (less but some times i play quite a bite) .

 

I passed YEARS with CMSS 3D (setting it at 1/3 or 1/2 on the cursor) from creative (with varioius X-Fi based cards) and some months with Dolby Headphone (somes asus) (tryed the 3 presets) , with cheapo headphone at first and K272HD for a long time . Then i switched to DACs => no more CMSS 3D or Dolby headphone , (well at time i just bought a Auzentech X-Fi forte for S/PDIF out (wich came still use CMSS 3D via S/PDIF) .

 

BUT the thing is even without this little "tricks" i still manage to play somewhat  well , i would say as good as it was with dolbything and cmss 3d . And with K702 i finaly found that dolby things / cmss 3d had to much impact on sound , well peraphs there is beter positioning , but sorry i loose to much on fidelity , and as i said it's not a problem for me , i don't have problem to find my ennemies and shoot them .

 

Some days i play well , some not all , but it's just for the fun . For me i don't need anymore dolbyheadphone or CMSS 3D , don't feel the need at all .

 

Many love dolbyheadphone or cmss 3d , i can understand this , but if you can't understand that we can play very well without it ...

 

Some exemples  2  on Day OF Defeat source , and one BF3

 

 

 

 

Na sorry it's sure for me i can live without Dolby headphone or CMSS 3d without any regrets normal_smile%20.gif

 

edit : tués on DoD => kills

 

 

and peraphs you are more skilled than average ...


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 5/13/13 at 11:45am
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Mad probably is more skillet than others. Personally, headphone surround was kinda fun but didn't improve my game at first (I was already like a 1.5 K:D average across any day), but gradually I became more sensitive to positional audio and started picking up a few more kills, and about three months ago (before I started my job) I had my first experience playing CoD4 where I heard someone shooting at 5 O'clock - I flicked around and shot at a blank wall, but got the kill through it.

I have a DSS now (with dolby headphone, tho Dolbything is fun to say), and I started with a receiver featuring Silent Cinema, but when I upgraded to a Recon3D (with THX Tru Studio... Lol all these effects names!) and played Halo: Reach in SWAT on Zealot for the first time, I was already used to listening for positional audio but the audio quality was much improved, I got 4-5 assassinations and caught SO many people off guard. I don't have a final score screenshot, but I did have a game so good that even to me felt ridiculously easy.

Now, I get on average somewhere between 2.0 and 2.5 K:D in my competitive MP. I probably would have a better K:D if I changed my playstyle from being a crazy rusher, but I just play for fun and wild moments. I can't claim that surround improved my Starcraft game... oh well I'll work my way out from Silver one day. If only more games included surround verticality, so I could literally get the drop on people.



PS: Mad,
Should I snag a KSC 75 for myself? I'm not really a fan of clip-ons, I don't find them comfortable or secure, though I do need a casual portable headphone AND I'm wearing contacts instead of glasses again. Heard anything about the KTXPRO1?
post #13505 of 26088
^
+1.

DH won't make you a FPS monster and probably won't impact your K/D ratio all that much either, but it sure as hell gives you the time to react better in every situation thanks to a much more accurate positional sound, because you can approximately tell where a threat is coming from and how far is from you.

Your skills, your knowledge of the maps and other player's weaknesses (and TEAM(WORK) >_>). That's what really makes the difference...Being able to pinpoint the enemy's location thanks to a more accurate sound, is just the icing on the cake.

It worked for me, on MGO, although that's not your typical FPS game...it's more tactical and slow paced. For example, with my old "all in one" headset I couldn't precisely pinpoint which floor other players were hiding. It was a muddy mess...but switching to the HD555 (plus the DSS obviously), I could finally do that and as a result my performace improved as well. With the DT990 it was even better, because I find it even more accurate than the Sennheiser.

R.I.P. MGO, btw.
Edited by Naingolann - 5/13/13 at 12:32pm
post #13506 of 26088
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Originally Posted by grandpatzer View Post

 

Thanks, yeah it makes sense to have for one week the new headphones.

Is this how you do with all the headphones that you have tested in youre guide?

 

I will be getting K601 to have as reference for future headphones (if needed).

My current(and only ever had) headphones are Sennheiser HD212pro, I have had them very long maybe 7-10years.

They are closed and are considered to be bass & "fun" friendly according these reviews 

Ive read they have good positional direction for gaming considered they are closed, my guess is that the K601 propably is better.

 

The K601 are supposed to be on the low side when it comes to bass, they are open headphones, analytical(?), Ive read one member write they have similar sound to Q701, some say it is quality wise slightly below or equal to K701.

 

Price wise here in Sweden it is much lower compared to K701/Q701 so it logicaly should be not as good but regardless I'm hoping to be satisfied with them :)

 

Basicaly the K701 is 50% more expensive then K601, then the Q701 is 100% more expensive then K601, and lastly K702annie is 100% more expensive then Q701 so the Annie is 4 times as expensive as K601 

 

This decision makes no sense. It sounds like you're expecting to get close to Q701 performance for a fraction of the price. You are going to be disappointed. For the money you're spending, there are better choices out there.

post #13507 of 26088
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

 

This decision makes no sense. It sounds like you're expecting to get close to Q701 performance for a fraction of the price. You are going to be disappointed. For the money you're spending, there are better choices out there.

But he lives in a place where prices run way differently then most others. The K601s are more expensive then the Q701s in the USA, so price really doesn't judge value in either countries.

post #13508 of 26088
Naingolann,
Well... My K:D DID rise, slowly, over time, as I got used to making use of surround rather than just sound "Alert! someone is shooting!" It took a while to retrain, but it raised a skill cap a little bit for me. I know that I could be even better if I was selective with my aggression (still you don't win by camping all the time), in fact I do have my "try-hard" moments where I am as strategic as I am tactical, but making use of surround is near-instinctual and takes little concentration.

It's too bad MGO was gone by the time I heard of it. I guess that's because I was only focused on what would be available on the system I had. Still, I wish I had been able to play some Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory in Surround before THAT game's mp shut down. The new SC game's emphasis on action seems to further the direction SC: Conviction was going... I'm going to miss the old voice actor.
post #13509 of 26088
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But he lives in a place where prices run way differently then most others. The K601s are more expensive then the Q701s in the USA, so price really doesn't judge value in either countries.
Maybe the price after conversion rate to US $ is more, but the Q701 is priced higher still, so the value is still somewhat to scale. Wasn't the K601 a former flagship model from AKG? But many (perhaps most) agree that the K701 was an improvement, and the Q701 a minor improvement over that (though retroactive to the still-produced K701 & 2). So, the K601 should still be good, but maybe bright and not a representation of what the Q701 sounds like.
post #13510 of 26088
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But he lives in a place where prices run way differently then most others. The K601s are more expensive then the Q701s in the USA, so price really doesn't judge value in either countries.

 

That makes sense, but there's always the AD700.

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Just picked up a pair of PortaPros and, holy poop, is that sound really coming out of a $40 headphone?! Can't wait to try these things on some BF3 tonight. Are these the same drivers that are in the KSC35 and SportaPros?

post #13512 of 26088
Same as the drivers in the KSC75, which I just bought. Similar, though.
post #13513 of 26088

Portapro, Sportapro, KSC35  =  Same drivers

 

KSC75  =  Titanium coated drivers

post #13514 of 26088
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

 I'd get the New Xbox, but I honestly don't need both, and I prefer the exclusives on Sony's system over Halo and Gears which are the only Xbox exclusives I'd play.

I'm not even a fan of Halo.  I do wish I was able to play Gears though.

 

 

Gears is my favorite xbox exclusive.  I LOVE the multiplayer in it. 

Halo has pretty epic campaigns (most fun when played in Co-op) but I don't like the multiplayer  :\

 

 

Not sure which console I'll go with for next gen.  I might switch over to Playsation....

post #13515 of 26088
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

 

Gears is my favorite xbox exclusive.  I LOVE the multiplayer in it. 

Halo has pretty epic campaigns (most fun when played in Co-op) but I don't like the multiplayer  :\

 

 

Not sure which console I'll go with for next gen.  I might switch over to Playsation....

If I had to grab just one, it's probably going to be Xbox, but chances are I'll pick up both. Nothing is exciting me about PS4, though. I bought my PS3 first day and I only used it for the Blu-Ray and GT5, which was awful. It's just collected dust for years now.

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