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One thing that sucks about the Koss clip ons is how susceptible they are to getting hair rattling on the driver.

 

I was playing around with some frequency sweeps and my right driver has got a rattle.  Normally it's no big deal.  They get hairs in there pretty easily but it's not hard to take them apart and blow them out.  But I just took it apart to inspect for hairs and I think it's got a hair underneath the diaphragm.  How the hell do I get that out!?


Edited by chicolom - 3/21/13 at 3:12am
post #12482 of 26072
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Originally Posted by shanek248 View Post

Hey, I have been thinking of getting a set of AD700 headphones due to the rave reviews they have been getting here and elsewhere for some time now. I need them for gaming. 100% gaming.

I play FPS games on PS3 and do not have an Astro mixamp. I do however run my PS3 through HDMI to my Onkyo 509 (TX-NR509). So at the moment I already have great surround through my 5.1 system. I do however wish to be able to game chat and my wife cant take the noise and also practices piano in the same room. Which I cant take!  (I am aware there is no built in mic but I am willing to do a fix since these are apparently worth it for the quality...)

Now I am hoping I can save some cash and connect a set of AD700s through my audio receiver. Is this possible? I mean is this going to work in the same way? Will the directional positioning be as good? I get the impression that the standard Jack in most Audio Receivers doesn't output a surround signal. Does this mean the AD700s + AStro Mixamp is the only way to go?

What about something higher end like the K701s or is the issue the Audio Jack Output....?

I would love some ideas from you guys on the best bang for my buck I can get given the set-up I already have.

Thanks!

Surround and connection issues aside, you're gonna be listening to your wife's piano right thru those AD700... Open headphones might not be the best idea if isolation's an issue, unless she's like one room away. She'll probably even hear the AD700 leaking in between piano notes.

You should really read thru the first post of the thread, it'll answer lots of questions, but the AVR that do a competent job of surround emulation thru the headphone output aren't many... Mostly Yamahas and older discontinued models from other brands I think, don't hold me to that tho.
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Thread Starter 
I have really short hair, so ive never had an issue with that. My driver rattle had to be a blown driver, the first time. I abused the hell out of my clip ons.
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I also had the same rattling problem, which I tried to fix in every possible way. In the end, I'm pretty certain that it was a blown driver as MLE said. :-(

 

That's also why my next portable headphone won't be a koss, even though I really liked its sound signature...Either way, I'd still recommend the hell out of 'em to anyone.

 

 

*edit*

Been using my DT990 with my vintage receiver...Just one thing: HOLY S***, this thing is putting the Fiio E9 to shame. I couldn't have possibly imagined a quality amp would have so much impact on the sound...I'm amazed. And delighted.

 

Yes, it has slightly more background noise than the Fiio, but It's hardly noticeable and honestly the pros outweigh the cons to the point that I just don't care...It'll be tough going back to the E9 now.


Edited by Naingolann - 3/21/13 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by shanek248 View Post

Hey

 

I have been thinking of getting a set of AD700 headphones due to the rave reviews they have been getting here and elsewhere for some time now. I need them for gaming. 100% gaming.

 

*SNIP*

 

Unfortunately Impulse, and your fears that your receiver does not support Dolby Headphone are true. Such a shame because looking at the specs its a really good HTR (I'm rather fond of Onkyo HTRs). Perhaps the cheapest way to get DH out of your ps3 is to track down a DSS1/2 (of all the options I believe this to be one of the cheaper ones.), then pair it with an easier to drive headphone (like the AD700) for a direct connection, or use your Onkyo as an amp for something a little harder to drive. As far as mics go you might want to look at noise cancelling if your significant other is going to be practicing piano in the same room. The Labtec can be found on ebay for about $15.00 or  you could pay a little more and wait for the (V3.0/V4.0) modmic... a little more expensive, but tons more elegant. To connect the mic to the PS3 youre going to need a cheap USB Soundcard (the kind that looks like a flash drive) which has a mic input. These can be found on deal extreme for less than $3. Of course the the more elegant solution (mixamp) is also more expensive.

 

As for isolation... clearly the AD700s are not going to do you any favors in this regard... Would it be true to say that the leaking of the AD700 is more of a factor than the incoming ambient/surrounding noise? If so then I think it more or less depends on the space which you will be gaming. Unless you really like to crank the volume, or if your wife has super hearing, the AD700s shouldn't be too much of a bother... at least from 15-20' away. OTOH if you're bothered by the piano, and decide to turn up the volume of the game...well then I would clearly choose either a semi-closed or closed hp. 


Where are you located? If you're in the US, then your best bet may be to buy off Amazon (make sure the seller is Amazon though, not a 3rd party)... if the AD700 leak too much then you can always return them for something a little more closed (say the CALs/DT990s) with out too much of a headache or penalty. 

 

I 2nd impulses' advice and give the 1st page a good read through though. It might also help sort out what your second or third choice may be if the 700s are a no go. 

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Surround and connection issues aside, you're gonna be listening to your wife's piano right thru those AD700... Open headphones might not be the best idea if isolation's an issue, unless she's like one room away. She'll probably even hear the AD700 leaking in between piano notes.

You should really read thru the first post of the thread, it'll answer lots of questions, but the AVR that do a competent job of surround emulation thru the headphone output aren't many... Mostly Yamahas and older discontinued models from other brands I think, don't hold me to that tho.

 

Thanks for the reply!

 

Well the issue of my wives piano is much more minor than finding a nice headset which does a good job of directional positioning in the 3d environment. It is not as If I game 24 hours a day and my wife practices constantly beside me. But sometimes these things do overlap!

 

A certain amount of leak either direction would be fine but due to the fact that my rear right hand side speaker is positioned a few feet above her head at the moment. She requires me to turn the volume way down. She is a very high standard pianist so her piano really has to take priority over my MLG aspirations. ;-p

 

Really this is my question though. Will my receiver even output a signal which can match the mixamp when it comes to making the ad700s a good headset for my particular brand of gaming. 

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The Koss family, tested off my Sansa Fuze V2
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Unfortunately Impulse, and your fears that your receiver does not support Dolby Headphone are true.

:-(

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Originally Posted by ruuku View Post

Such a shame because looking at the specs its a really good HTR (I'm rather fond of Onkyo HTRs). Perhaps the cheapest way to get DH out of your ps3 is to track down a DSS1/2 (of all the options I believe this to be one of the cheaper ones.), then pair it with an easier to drive headphone (like the AD700) for a direct connection, or use your Onkyo as an amp for something a little harder to drive.

Thanks. I am glad I made a good choice!! Am I right in thinking you are recommending a midi keyboard to drive the headset? What do you mean by the last sentence? "or use your Onkyo as an amp for something a little harder to drive." It probably is self explanatory to you but I am not sure how this is a solution. apologies! 

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Originally Posted by ruuku View Post
 

 As far as mics go you might want to look at noise cancelling if your significant other is going to be practicing piano in the same room. The Labtec can be found on ebay for about $15.00 or  you could pay a little more and wait for the (V3.0/V4.0) modmic... a little more expensive, but tons more elegant. To connect the mic to the PS3 youre going to need a cheap USB Soundcard (the kind that looks like a flash drive) which has a mic input. These can be found on deal extreme for less than $3. Of course the the more elegant solution (mixamp) is also more expensive.

The issue of my wife and the Piano is not as major as I may have implied. On the occasions where she is practicing I can simply turn off the mic. Thanks!

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As for isolation... clearly the AD700s are not going to do you any favors in this regard... Would it be true to say that the leaking of the AD700 is more of a factor than the incoming ambient/surrounding noise? If so then I think it more or less depends on the space which you will be gaming. Unless you really like to crank the volume, or if your wife has super hearing, the AD700s shouldn't be too much of a bother... at least from 15-20' away. OTOH if you're bothered by the piano, and decide to turn up the volume of the game...well then I would clearly choose either a semi-closed or closed hp. 

I dont think leaking in either direction should really be an issue... I have never hade an open HP before so I am not sure how much they leak but I think she can play with a bit of my noise and I can play with a bit of hers. The room is quite big ... but... she will be sitting about 10 feet from where I sit.


Originally Posted by ruuku View Post
Where are you located? If you're in the US, then your best bet may be to buy off Amazon (make sure the seller is Amazon though, not a 3rd party)... if the AD700 leak too much then you can always return them for something a little more closed (say the CALs/DT990s) with out too much of a headache or penalty. 

 

I 2nd impulses' advice and give the 1st page a good read through though. It might also help sort out what your second or third choice may be if the 700s are a no go. 

I`m located in Ireland but my best options would most likely be the same... eBay and amazon.

 

I thought I had read the whole start part but since two of you have now recommended I read it I obviously missed something so Ill read it all again. Really for me I want something that supplies that competitive edge. Directional Positioning. I have a broken pair of Trittons which I found excellent but all the guys on here seem to rate them very lowly in the one regard they claim to excel. So I was intrigued by the Astro Mixamp+ad700+custom mic combo that everyone seems to champion as the best gaming headset solution. This got me to wondering if my Onkyo could drive the headset in the same way as the Mixamp.

 

Seems like such a shame to have all that power sitting there and buying a silly mixamp for 150 euro or something!

 

I will most likely try fixing my trittons myself but I am still intrigued now as to what I am missing....

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Gonna have to go back and read all the messages here soon, but hope everyone is doing well. I wish someone would swoop up my receiver, as I have another one now. It's just collecting dust. Did I miss anything? lol. 

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shanek248, your receiver may or may not drive low impedance headphones any better than something like the Mixamp, but it wouldn't be a big disparity either way, might not even do that great a job to be honest...

Truthfully the headphone output of AVRs isn't always the greatest, and even when it is decent it might still have impedance issues with low impedance headphones made to be driven by portable or lower power sources.

Then on top of all that most AVR don't do surround emulation or a good job of it, which is another topic altogether from how well of a job they'll do electrically powering the headphones. I'm not sure if you were grasping those differences which is why I suggested reading the first post (expand the spoiler sections etc), if it's too confusing or MLE glosses over some concepts (been a while since I read thru it myself so I forget how it's structured) you can possibly look up some of Evshrug's guide/FAQ threads.

There are certainly some cheaper options than the Mixamp as far as surround emulation goes (DSS, Recon3D etc.), each has it's particular pro/cons... Most of them can easily drive something like the AD700, CAL, or HD558 since they aren't very power hungry headphones.

As far as open headphones goes, if you don't mind hearing the piano in the background and your wife doesn't mind a slight murmur in the background (that's roughly how she'd perceive it, depending on your volume and her piano playing etc) then they'd work.
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Hi, I like to play PC games and want a headphone that has good surround effects detail to spot enemy in FPS game. Also if possible I would like the wireless one.

 

After some browsing I came to this Sennheiser RS 220. Is this headphone good enough to meet my criteria above?

 

How well (clarity, surround effects, etcs) wireless headphones like RS 220 compared to wired ones say Sennheiser HD 600/ HD 650?

 

Thx.


Edited by Glacial - 3/21/13 at 10:22am
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You're always gonna pay significantly for the wireless factor, so a wired headphone in the same price range's gonna be better technically than a wireless one... That being said, Senn's RS line are probably the beat wireless options out there.

The 220 are like 50% more expensive than the HD 600 for instance... I've tried a couple of the lower tier models and found them pleasant enough, never gamed with one tho, but it should work. The RF model my uncle has is a bit too noisy to be worth the premium IMO but the newer (and pricier) models have made huge improvements on wireless tech. The 220's at the top of the heap, and voiced like an HD 6x0... It might not be the best gaming headphone one out there (depending on whether it's closer to the 600 or 650) but it's probably better than most other wireless options. There's some rough comments on the line here:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-wireless

What are you using as your source on the PC? (sound card, on-board motherboard audio, etc.) Most of the RS models have RCA inputs but the 220 also has optical so it's pretty flexible in that regard, if you want surround emulation you'd still want a cheap sound card to do it tho (like the DGX).

It's not gonna drive the headphone at all, obviously, so it's just a matter of what it feeds the base station...

Is your PC hooked up to a TV? I'm not sure how worthwhile it is to go wireless if you're still at a desk but anyway... I've seen some complaints in the Amazon RS 180/170 reviews about a slight latency in the signal, which would be a deal breaker for competitive gaming. No clue about the 220... I think the slight lag is often due to how people hook them up into their HT though (different components can introduce it and they usually notice when the speakers are out of timing with the hp), I've seen similar issues with Bluetooth and I've also seen BT headsets with zero lag.

It'd be a good idea to buy from Amazon or somewhere with a good return policy anyway.
Edited by Impulse - 3/21/13 at 11:38am
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Okay so I got my Sportapros in.

Headband is terrible, lol. So cheap looking. Pretty comfy though. I still prefer the parts express headband, as its a lot less obtrusive and just as comfy.

Popping the drivers out wasn't as easy as I though. They were really on there, but they came out soon after, and putting them back on was a lot easier, as well as taking them off from then on.

I got a brief session with the sportapro headband, and I didn't feel the headband and enclosure didnt really affect SQ like I thought it would. It slightly alters how the drivers sit on my ears compared to the PE headband, KSC75 clips, and KSC35 clips.

Ultimately, I think the KSC75 sounds best with its own clips (as long as the clips are bent inward so the driver hugs your ears tightly. They are a bit loose out of the package). The KSC35 don't fit the same way on the KSC75 clips as the enclosure is thinner, so it sounds more ideal off it's own clips as well. After a longer session with the PE headband, I ultimately felt that it's too finicky with placement and alters the sound of either Koss driver depending on where it rests. With their own clips, the drivers pretty much sit in the perfect spot, everytime. So while the PE headband is nice for those that just can't deal with clips, I'd say the clips are better suited, sonically. The Sportapro headband is nearly as good as the PE headband, but with more plastic and overall parts. The headband works in a pinch, but I'd say it's worth getting the PE headband instead.

So what about the Sportapro driver? Is it the sams as the KSC35? Well, one exterior difference from my KSC35 to the Sportapro driver is that the cable is slightly thicker (almost imperceptible), and it terminates into a right angle 3.5mm plug with a much better strain relief. So the Sportapro sold today has a better cable than the KSC35 sold by Koss directly. Though the cable is different, that could be purely a design change, and not because the two are different.

Testing the differences on all headbands and clips, I can say that despite slight variation of sound (possibly driver variation or if you wanna believe, burn in as my KSC35 has a TON of hours as I used it like 5 hours every night at work), the KSC35 and Sportapro, to ME are the same.

Here's the predicament. The Sportapro might have the same drivers, but the KSC35 clips are the BEST for the KSC35 in terms of raw SQ. This to me personally, is undeniable.

So while you can get Sportapro for cheap, you won't have the KSC35 clips. I can't even find the KSC35 clips for sale alone.

The only thing I can think of is that once your Sportapro drivers go bad, you can send the drivers alone in for repair and tell them its a KSC35 but dont have the clips. Lol. You might get caught as the cable is different.

All in all, I suggest the Sportapro + KSC75 as a makeshift KSC35. The difference isn't huge, but I feel the KSC75 clips on the Sportapro drivers is maybe just a hint inferior to the same with KSC35 clips.

Too bad it goes for $45 on Koss. That's too expensive over the Sportapro which is around $20. $25 just for cheap plastic clips is illogical. With the Sportapro + KSC75, you get two different drivers, plus really comfy clips for $35.

Was able to A/B the Sportapro drivers w/KSC35 clips vs KSC35 w/KSC75 clips. While similar, the Sportapro still edges out the victory, so it lets me know the Sportapro really is the same as the KSC35.

One thing I noticed is that the KSC75 with it's own clips is more v-shaped than the KSC35 or Sportapro drivers with tbe same clips. Its unquestionably brighter on the treble, and slightly mid recessed in direct comparison. Bass is near the same (that clip bending mod really brought out the bass in the KSC75).

Btw, to clarify on why I think the KSC35 clips are better sounding than the KSC75 clips, its because they aren't bendable, and automatically places the KSC35/Sportapro drivers at the optimal distance and placement for most balanced sound. The KSC75 clips might be bendable, but is harder to put in the perfect distance/tightness. My KSC75 clips make the KSC35 slightly more bassy than balanced in comparison to the KSC35 clips. Not by much, but it's noticeable. In theory, the KSC75 clips can be just as good as the KSC35 clips, but getting it to be that perfect would be hard, not to mention the constant use would change the distance eventually. Not an issue with the KSC35 clips.

that's good to hear. I want a sporta pro for well working out! As IEMS r a sin in my book <3

 

also loving the w1000x, after 4 days the head band has burned in lol 

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Just a quick update on my search for a good audio gaming (xbox360) setup.....

 

First of all, I want to thank MLE and the other posters in here for their great knowledge and info sharing, it's helped me immensely. I literally didn't know what terms like "sound stage, warm sound, etc.) even meant a few months ago. I was looking for a good setup mainly for fps shooters(cod), in order to hear footsteps and to get immersed into the game. I decided to buy 3 headphones just to test them out for myself (Audio Technica AD700, BD 990 pro, and 2013 Astro A40's/mixamp. I'm not going to go into any in depth review because to be honest MLE's reviews, as well as others, are spot on to my findings. AD700--Great for gaming, but GIGANTIC, and I have a huge head. I just couldn't deal with the loose fit. BD 990 pro---Sounded great, but the clamp is just too damn tight for me, Astro A40's---Overall sounded good, but not nearly the sound stage and positional directionality as the others. The headset was by far the most comfortable, by a landslide. By the way, I used the mixamp to drive all the headsets. I'm very leery of the 2013 Astro setup however. I've read hundreds of horror stories of their bad mics, mixamp failures, and atrocious customer service. Through all of this reading and testing, I've finally learned what characteristics are important to me, as far as a gaming setup and that's due to this site, so "Thank You".

I'm still going to try a couple more setups since i haven't really hit a home run yet. My next victim will be the AKG Q701's. Does anyone have any advice on what setup I should use with these cans for an Xbox360. I'm assuming that I need a virtual sound device(mixamp, recon, etc) and an amp(fiio e12) power the q701's? If anyone has any specific knowledge on this subject I would greatly appreciate your feedback.

Once again, thanks very much to this site and MLE!!!

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MLE (or anyone else really), looks like you had comparatively good impressions of the HE-4 and HE-400 for general use. Any new thoughts on the HE-500 for general use and gaming?

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