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post #12466 of 25706

Eh it's not that far off compared to the monstrosities that people do to their HE-400 and HE-500 headbands.

post #12467 of 25706
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I didn't get to hear the Stax SR303 (are those the same ones you have Nameless?), but I did put them on my head to test out the fit/comfort.  They were pretty flat inside the cups and my ears were smushed against the foam Grado-style, so I don't think I could wear them for long.

 

I had an SR-303 once, but it arrived with a split right driver, between the inner stator and the diaphragm. I re-glued it back together, but it was still noticeably imbalanced. Needless to say, I re-sold it.

 

The comfort was greater than the SR-202 I had due to the softer pads, but I just can't get over that higher clamping force the Nova/numerical-style headband/arc assembly brings. Vintage Lambdas (SR-Lambda, Lambda Pro, Lambda Signature) feel much more comfortable because of that.

 

Another factor is that my SR-Lambda, like all vintage Lambdas, no longer have the foam in the inner earcups because it rotted out years ago and most owners have removed it. Some people opt to correct that and the aged earpads by replacing them with new SR-*07 earpads that have cloth in place of the old foam; I hope it feels a lot less itchier than the SR-202 and SR-303 foam.

 

Also, if you think the SR-303's earcups are uncomfortably shallow, try the SR-Gamma/Alpha on for size...now THAT'S shallow. Can't stand to wear it for very long with my ears (pinnae) constantly touching the plastic inside the cups. Quite a shame, as it sounds pretty nice otherwise (provided the set isn't horribly imbalanced like mine).

post #12468 of 25706
That's some ghetto fabulous mod Jodiuh... tongue.gif
post #12469 of 25706
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Yeah - The D7000 are the 2012 edition.  Maybe there is something to that.wink_face.gif   

 

Chico, The LCD-3s are a clear step up form the LCD-2.2 in the treble region.  You may not be a LCD fan per say.  Also if the HE-500 or the HE-6 was not among your favorites it also may be safe to say your not an ortho fan all together.

 

 

It's not that I wasn't a fan of the orthos, it's just that they didn't grab me as much as the some of the othersThey still sounded great, I just think I'd need more listening time with them.  Soundstage is also a huge priority, and I don't think the orthos are the best options for that (correct me if I'm wrong...) 

 

 

The HE-6 was powered by a First Watt F1J and the PWD2 was the DAC.  

 

 

OK.  Yeah, I took some pics of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The HE-500 are a nice warm seductive headphone.  I much prefer it over the HE-400 in ever way.  However, I can understand the HE-400 feeding the Bass Head need in some people.

 

 

I like the HE400, I just think it is a little bright and missing some mids.  The HE500 corrected that, so I liked it even more.

 

 

There's folks in the TH-900 thread that just flat out hating on the D7000.  I will never (hopefully) never get rid of the D7000.  IMO they're more of a funner headphone than the TH-900 where the TH-900 is more of a Reference headphone.  Just IMO.

 

 

Hmm...I liked both of them, but I didn't compare them to be able tell any differences.  A more reference D7000 doesn't sound like a bad thing though.

Just with they weren't sooooo expensive. frown.gif

 

post #12470 of 25706
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Originally Posted by Impulse View Post

Nice impressions chico, thanks for sharing. I wonder if Fostex intends to keep stretching the TH lineup downward or if this is it... One nice thing about the old Denons was how it started with the humble D2000s, such a shame they got the axe.

Yeah.  Well Fostex came out with the TH600 so they're getting a little more affordable I guess. 

It's a shame that Denon discontinued the Dx000 though.  I think the new denons are supposed to be very different (and they're ugly).


I'd love to have the chance to audition some of those (specially the HD 800, T1 & TH900) but realistically I'm not sure I'd ever allow myself to splurge on anything that high end so I'm probably better off... tongue.gif


Yes, it's sort of bittersweet auditioning them, knowing how much they cost and that I can't afford them. redface.gif

Still, I'm happy that I'm fortunate enough to own the Q701s/Anniversaries. k701smile.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Woah. WOAH!
I have this feeling... The Sennheiser HD800 may one day delay my dream purchase of a Porsche.  But yeah, that HD800... your description sounds Amazing Chico, and I've only read good things about it otherwise. Wish you'd been able to hear the HD700 too.

 

If you like the Q701, I think the HD800s are considered the natural upgrade.  If I could own only one flagship (LOL, like I could own more than one! tongue.gif) the HD800s would probably be the logical choice.  I need my soundstage!!  If I was going to get a headphone like that, I would need to do a lot more listening/research first.


Edited by chicolom - 3/20/13 at 4:49pm
post #12471 of 25706
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Shipped to the UK? Avoiding VAT? Yeah... $5 less is worth waiting for to buy from Amazon US.

Now I want to see on camelcamelcamel.com how long it was selling for $65 and how often it's done that.
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Mine wasn't sold from Amazon, but the 3rd party seller J&R. Same company as you, just through Amazon instead.

 

 


Edited by AxelCloris - 3/20/13 at 5:10pm
post #12472 of 25706
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

AHA! So the D7000 strikes again!

What did I tell you? That headphone... best bass... evar.

Grr now I want one, I love my w1000x, and these closed cans have a LOT of sound stage as well :O as much as my dt 880 for sure [although 880 is on thick intimate amp, w1000x on Clean Lean spaicious amp]

 

ethier way the D7000 is sadly on my list q.q one will show up soon! And when that time comes [maybe when I get my first Tax Refund] I'll end up with em <3 

post #12473 of 25706

So it seems for a headphone/mic combo the Skullcandy SLYRs have the best value $100 and under? They seem to be hard to find, I live in canada.

post #12474 of 25706
Depends on current pricing, sometimes the CAL drops as low as $65 so even with a pricy ModMic they'd cost about the same (or much less w/a cheaper mic).
post #12475 of 25706
Thread Starter 
Okay so I got my Sportapros in.

Headband is terrible, lol. So cheap looking. Pretty comfy though. I still prefer the parts express headband, as its a lot less obtrusive and just as comfy.

Popping the drivers out wasn't as easy as I though. They were really on there, but they came out soon after, and putting them back on was a lot easier, as well as taking them off from then on.

I got a brief session with the sportapro headband, and I didn't feel the headband and enclosure didnt really affect SQ like I thought it would. It slightly alters how the drivers sit on my ears compared to the PE headband, KSC75 clips, and KSC35 clips.

Ultimately, I think the KSC75 sounds best with its own clips (as long as the clips are bent inward so the driver hugs your ears tightly. They are a bit loose out of the package). The KSC35 don't fit the same way on the KSC75 clips as the enclosure is thinner, so it sounds more ideal off it's own clips as well. After a longer session with the PE headband, I ultimately felt that it's too finicky with placement and alters the sound of either Koss driver depending on where it rests. With their own clips, the drivers pretty much sit in the perfect spot, everytime. So while the PE headband is nice for those that just can't deal with clips, I'd say the clips are better suited, sonically. The Sportapro headband is nearly as good as the PE headband, but with more plastic and overall parts. The headband works in a pinch, but I'd say it's worth getting the PE headband instead.

So what about the Sportapro driver? Is it the sams as the KSC35? Well, one exterior difference from my KSC35 to the Sportapro driver is that the cable is slightly thicker (almost imperceptible), and it terminates into a right angle 3.5mm plug with a much better strain relief. So the Sportapro sold today has a better cable than the KSC35 sold by Koss directly. Though the cable is different, that could be purely a design change, and not because the two are different.

Testing the differences on all headbands and clips, I can say that despite slight variation of sound (possibly driver variation or if you wanna believe, burn in as my KSC35 has a TON of hours as I used it like 5 hours every night at work), the KSC35 and Sportapro, to ME are the same.

Here's the predicament. The Sportapro might have the same drivers, but the KSC35 clips are the BEST for the KSC35 in terms of raw SQ. This to me personally, is undeniable.

So while you can get Sportapro for cheap, you won't have the KSC35 clips. I can't even find the KSC35 clips for sale alone.

The only thing I can think of is that once your Sportapro drivers go bad, you can send the drivers alone in for repair and tell them its a KSC35 but dont have the clips. Lol. You might get caught as the cable is different.

All in all, I suggest the Sportapro + KSC75 as a makeshift KSC35. The difference isn't huge, but I feel the KSC75 clips on the Sportapro drivers is maybe just a hint inferior to the same with KSC35 clips.

Too bad it goes for $45 on Koss. That's too expensive over the Sportapro which is around $20. $25 just for cheap plastic clips is illogical. With the Sportapro + KSC75, you get two different drivers, plus really comfy clips for $35.

Was able to A/B the Sportapro drivers w/KSC35 clips vs KSC35 w/KSC75 clips. While similar, the Sportapro still edges out the victory, so it lets me know the Sportapro really is the same as the KSC35.

One thing I noticed is that the KSC75 with it's own clips is more v-shaped than the KSC35 or Sportapro drivers with tbe same clips. Its unquestionably brighter on the treble, and slightly mid recessed in direct comparison. Bass is near the same (that clip bending mod really brought out the bass in the KSC75).

Btw, to clarify on why I think the KSC35 clips are better sounding than the KSC75 clips, its because they aren't bendable, and automatically places the KSC35/Sportapro drivers at the optimal distance and placement for most balanced sound. The KSC75 clips might be bendable, but is harder to put in the perfect distance/tightness. My KSC75 clips make the KSC35 slightly more bassy than balanced in comparison to the KSC35 clips. Not by much, but it's noticeable. In theory, the KSC75 clips can be just as good as the KSC35 clips, but getting it to be that perfect would be hard, not to mention the constant use would change the distance eventually. Not an issue with the KSC35 clips.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/21/13 at 1:56am
post #12476 of 25706
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


After a longer session with the PE headband, I ultimately felt that it's too finicky with placement and alters the sound of either Koss driver depending on where it rests. With their own clips, the drivers pretty much sit in the perfect spot, everytime.

Too bad it goes for $45 on Koss. That's too expensive over the Sportapro which is around $20. $25 just for cheap plastic clips is illogical. With the Sportapro + KSC75, you get two different drivers, plus really comfy clips for $35.

 

I don't see what is so hard about positioning the parts express headband.  It's no different than any other earpad headphone.

 

I've used the KSCs long enough that I can tell when the drivers lock into that "perfect spot" - where the center of the driver lines up with the center of my ear.  It takes me 3 seconds to put them there, then I'm good for the next couple hours.

 

It's true that the clips have less room for error in placement, but I think the clips actually make them sit too far back and high on MY ears, where they are no longer firing in the center.  Closer to behind center.  With the headband I make them fire right into the ear.

 

 

I don't know why the KSC35 is so expensive.  I think Koss is just milking them since they de-discontinued them.

Someone should just sneak into the Koss factory and steal a bag of clips.

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post #12477 of 25706
Thread Starter 
Lol, true.

As for the PE headband, I just can't get proper placement as easily as the KSC35 clips. With the clips, it's perfect in less than a second. The PE headband takes a lot longer for me, and because it's nowhere near as secure on my head, it moves out of position, making me redo the whole placement. Also, it's a bit harder to bend for maximum SQ compared to the KSC75 clips.

Overall, the KSC75 clips have the best of everything. Placement, comfort, and not hard to come by. They just need to be bent.

Man, the Sportapro headband is a pain to bend properly. I overbent, and it took forever to bend back to a stocklike form. Out of the box, the Sportapro is hella tight, making the drivers super bassy. Now, it's more or less about as good as the Parts Express headband in terms of SQ. It's actually a pretty decent headband, though it needs more extension for larger heads. The PE headband has plenty of extension.
post #12478 of 25706

Hey

 

I have been thinking of getting a set of AD700 headphones due to the rave reviews they have been getting here and elsewhere for some time now. I need them for gaming. 100% gaming.

 

I play FPS games on PS3 and do not have an Astro mixamp. I do however run my PS3 through HDMI to my Onkyo 509 (TX-NR509). So at the moment I already have great surround through my 5.1 system. I do however wish to be able to game chat and my wife cant take the noise and also practices piano in the same room. Which I cant take!  (I am aware there is no built in mic but I am willing to do a fix since these are apparently worth it for the quality...)

 

Now I am hoping I can save some cash and connect a set of AD700s through my audio receiver. Is this possible? I mean is this going to work in the same way? Will the directional positioning be as good? I get the impression that the standard Jack in most Audio Receivers doesn't output a surround signal. Does this mean the AD700s + AStro Mixamp is the only way to go?

 

What about something higher end like the K701s or is the issue the Audio Jack Output....?

 

I would love some ideas from you guys on the best bang for my buck I can get given the set-up I already have.

 

Thanks!

 

 

post #12479 of 25706
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Man, the Sportapro headband is a pain to bend properly. I overbent, and it took forever to bend back to a stocklike form. Out of the box, the Sportapro is hella tight, making the drivers super bassy. Now, it's more or less about as good as the Parts Express headband in terms of SQ. It's actually a pretty decent headband, though it needs more extension for larger heads. The PE headband has plenty of extension.

 

 

It's pretty awkward, because it's designed to be wearable above the head, behind the head, and also fold up. 

 

For me the drivers don't quite pivot enough to sit flat on my ears, which gives me uneven pressure that gets sore after a while.  I also just think they feel awkward on my head. Too many unnecessary plastic pieces and folding joints.

 

The parts express basically disappears on my head.  The headband itself barely even touches my head - it's mainly like a floating clamp to hold the drivers against my ears.

post #12480 of 25706
Thread Starter 
Oh I agree. I meant to say the Sportapro headband is comfy, but not as comfy as the PE headband. I second that there is too much plastic on the head contact, especially the ones that sit directly on the top of my head. The PE headband is a thin metal strip that molds to the head. Can't get much better than that. It literally does disappear.
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