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post #12421 of 25594
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post

 

Looks hideous.

 

Agree. 

 

The elongated shape and all those ribbed buttons make it look like some kind of electronic dil-doh

 

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post #12422 of 25594
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Also just placed an order for the Sportapro...



That housing is identical to the KSC35...



(on the left)


so I'm almost 100% sure it's the same driver and can be unclipped from the SportaPro headband. $20 for the SportaPro on Amazon, or $45 for the KSC35 on Koss.com. Of course, I'll take a risk and get the SportaPro. It was gonna cost me $12-13 to ship/repair my KSC35 anyways.

I'll keep you guys updated on whether it's the same drivers.

The only thing is that if you guys get the SportaPro, you won't have the plastic clips. You CAN get the Parts Express though, which is more comfy. The Sportapro headband might be a bit muffled sounding, probably due to the headband covering a bit off the drivers compared to the clips/parts express headband.

BTW, since the parts express headband is metal, it can be bent. I basically bent it in all the way (made a heart). This will make the drivers press against your ears better, for a fuller sound. I no longer need the clips. The KSC35 sounds absolutely stellar. The only problem is that placement is more finicky, whereas the KSC35 clips are optimal in placement 100% of the time.

I wonder how the 75 and 35 will sound with the Sportapro headband, lol.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/headphones-earphones-portable-media-devices-314/introduction-world-headphones-1272241.html

There are pics of the headband swaps between the sportapro and ksc75.

Looking forward to your impressions as to whether or not SportaPros really sport the KSC35 drivers. I've been curious about that for a while now, never wanted to spend $45 for the 35s but didn't want to waste money getting the SportaPros risking it not having the 35 drivers.

post #12423 of 25594
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Looking forward to your impressions as to whether or not SportaPros really sport the KSC35 drivers. I've been curious about that for a while now, never wanted to spend $45 for the 35s but didn't want to waste money getting the SportaPros risking it not having the 35 drivers.

 

I'm 99.9% sure they're the same. 

 

I doubt KOSS makes two pairs of identical looking black drivers but then separately puts them in the KSC35s and porta pros. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/205125/all-koss-headphones-with-the-ksc35-drivers-in-them#post_2466048

post #12424 of 25594
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Originally Posted by cheuh View Post

Hmmm... I'm thinking about returning my Q701's. They are excellent for gaming (probably the best I've used for gaming), very comfortable, and are pretty good for music. I just find that they don't have enough sub bass impact/slam for me. I tried EQing them and they don't really respond to bass EQ that well IMO.

 

I don't plan on modding or purchasing the Anniversary pads either... any recommendations for any open headphones with more sub bass impact/slam while retaining good mids and soundstage/separation? I listen to electronic, trance, house, progressive, rap/hip hop. I was thinking maybe HD600 or DT880? Any other opinions?

All three HP listed have the same "flat-styled" Freq graph, and while they will have their differences, sound-wise, they're chasing after the same ideal, a straight forward, non-colored, detail-oriented HP.  If your dissatisfied with the amount of sub bass, then you might want to look at headphones with more of a v shape, but this will lean out the mids... What's you're budget? from $160-300 I would start looking towards the DT990 pro/premium lineup. +$400 I think most regular members would recommend something like K702 65TH, HE400s, D7000, LCD2. Also what are you using the Qs off of (what source/dac/amp)? 

post #12425 of 25594
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Holy crap, just realized that the HD650 shipped from Florida. I ordered it yesterday, and it's already here to be delivered. It wasn't even an Amazon Prime listing. Free 1 day shipping! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by BlackThought View Post


Never said they werent good for gaming. i said they werent the BEST for gaming.

Competitive: 10/10 (Basically Perfect)
Competitive: 8/10 (Great)

2 point gap is enough to concern me.

Anything with an 8 or higher are basically the same in positional accuracy. I have said this a MILLION times on this thread, point scores should NOT be compared.

10's and 9s are reserved for headphones that suck out immersion/fun for raw detail performance. It doesn't make them better, it just makes them all about competitive gaming. Absolutely zero distraction or real enjoyment, since it's just a pure focus on mids and highs, with a longer, more expansive soundstage, thinner body, and more air. I'm pretty certain that I wouldn't ever rate a headphone near perfect on both fun and competitive.

I'll take a headphone with an 8 if the fun is on par or better, because they will do everything well.

Ideally, people should look at whatever is at least an 8 on both, IMHO. Of course, I have specific tastes, so YMMV.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/19/13 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by ruuku View Post

All three HP listed have the same "flat-styled" Freq graph, and while they will have their differences, sound-wise, they're chasing after the same ideal, a straight forward, non-colored, detail-oriented HP.  If your dissatisfied with the amount of sub bass, then you might want to look at headphones with more of a v shape, but this will lean out the mids... What's you're budget? from $160-300 I would start looking towards the DT990 pro/premium lineup. +$400 I think most regular members would recommend something like K702 65TH, HE400s, D7000, LCD2. Also what are you using the Qs off of (what source/dac/amp)? 

 

My budget is under $400, the lower the better. I'm running my Q701's from my Xonar DX soundcard to O2 amp. From what I read, the only thing I don't like about the DT990's is their bright fatiguing treble and recessed mid range. My preferences for a headphone is deep sub bass extension (rather than a mid bass hump), non recessed mids, good soundstage/instrument separation, and non fatiguing highs.... so basically sub bass > mids > treble.

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If it's sub bass, mids, and non-fatiguijg treble, you'll have to fork a bit more than $400. That's HE500/LCD2 territory. You have to realize, sub bass is very hard to get out of headphones, and is usually paired with mid recession and bright/harsh highs.

You can get good mids and smooth treble (HD650), but it comes with a lack of sub bass. Most dynamic headphones worth anything will have a sub bass roll off. You have to look into planar magnetic. Also, there are still tradeoffs, like soundstage.

So you have to make tradeoffs. You can't have it all, especially not for $400 or less.

You basically asked for a perfectly ideal headphone. Not gonna happen, I assure you.

You could get some Annie pads, or just buy the Annies, and use some good EQ for a lot of sub bass. The Annie is as close a headphone in that price range as it gets, imho. Great mids, treble, soundstage, and good bass that undoubtedly can be EQ-ed up. Of course, once you EQ up, something else will get taken away whether its mids or treble, not sure.

Then there's the D7000 which is basically what you're asking for. A slight treble reduction is all it needs, and boom, that's sub bass (best sub bass emphasis i have ever heard, with reserved midbass, good mids, slightly sparkly treble, good soundstage all in one package. Still, well over $400, and quite rare now.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/19/13 at 5:39am
post #12428 of 25594
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

I'm 99.9% sure they're the same. 

 

I doubt KOSS makes two pairs of identical looking black drivers but then separately puts them in the KSC35s and porta pros. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/205125/all-koss-headphones-with-the-ksc35-drivers-in-them#post_2466048

Eh I dunno, I've dug up Head-fi posts from many years ago and there were conflicting past reports of the SportaPro <-> KSC35 driver identities.

post #12429 of 25594
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I think they will be the same. Its the KSC75 that people keep getting confused. It only shared the driver with one other headphone, IIRC. Sme behind the neck headphone of theirs. The 35s I've seen having the same drivers as the Sporta and Portapro. Its the rear housing on those that alters the sound.

But soon enough I'll be 100% sure, though I may have to take driver variation into account. Still the 35 has some obvious smoothness next to the 75, which has a metallic twinge in the treble.
post #12430 of 25594
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Originally Posted by Naked Snake View Post

Yea, this is a much more direct competitor to the Mixamp than the DSS. I'm not a fan of anything overly complex either, but it's an option for those that could use the customization. My needs as far as gaming are pretty simple, and I like what the Mixamp provides, but I'm interested to see if there's something this unit can do for me better than the Mixamp (I'm perfectly happy with the Mixamp atm tho)

 

If the surround sound processing is anything like the DSS2 - and I imagine it is due to the option to configure speaker "angles" very similarly to the DSS2 - then Dolby Headphone absolutely crushes it by comparison.

post #12431 of 25594
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Originally Posted by BlackThought View Post


Never said they werent good for gaming. i said they werent the BEST for gaming.

Competitive: 10/10 (Basically Perfect)
Competitive: 8/10 (Great)

2 point gap is enough to concern me.

Mad scored the AD700s as gaming-godly because they emphasize tactical sound frequencies while having thin bass (Mad likes to say No Bass), so you really just concentrate on the details. Also, they have exceptional sound stage. The DT990 is just as detailed and also has a pretty good soundstage, but Mad thought it was also more fun because the bass was fuller, making the sound more exciting (and thus involving, though Mad's word choice is "fun" and "immersive"). The AD700 is great, and certainly a great value much cheaper than DT990s, but the DT990s are also very accurate at imaging and may just be more to your preference. That said, I have an AD700 myself and I'm not really interested in trying a DT990 (tho I really want to hear the DT880), I'm just saying do some more research before discounting something.
post #12432 of 25594
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Originally Posted by Naked Snake View Post

Haven't posted here in a while..but looks like Turtle Beach finally has something to go up against the Mixamp, not sold as a standalone yet though.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/18/turtle-beach-ear-force-xp-seven-headset-review/

I have the TB PX5 unit which has pretty much the same functionality except that it only works on the PX5 wireless headset and I'm usually using my wired HPs. Don't fear the technology guys, its actually really handy and if you don't want to mess with it its all preprogramed so you just choose the setting that you like. They give you some really functional options like mic feedback and voice distortion so that you can do all sorts of fun things with it if you want, again, completely optional. I'd really advise you to keep an open mind about this unit, IMHO more options is better even if you don't ultimately use it all. I think this kind of thing is what leads innovation and if we're complacent and just settle for what's easy to use then ultimately the designers decide what we are going to get. 

post #12433 of 25594
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Originally Posted by kellte2 View Post

If the surround sound processing is anything like the DSS2 - and I imagine it is due to the option to configure speaker "angles" very similarly to the DSS2 - then Dolby Headphone absolutely crushes it by comparison.
The linked article suggests that this device is back to using Dolby Headphone, and also allows for speaker angle adjustments. It's possible the article was wrong, but it's more likely they're right.
I'd like to try a Dolby Headphone device someday, but it's too bad that even the Mixamp suffers from some background noise and distortion, something that would be carried through double amping and only dampened by high impedance headphones. If this device manages a better SNR, it may be the better choice over a Mixamp. Overall, it's just good to see new developments in this space.
post #12434 of 25594
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

The linked article suggests that this device is back to using Dolby Headphone, and also allows for speaker angle adjustments. It's possible the article was wrong, but it's more likely they're right.
I'd like to try a Dolby Headphone device someday, but it's too bad that even the Mixamp suffers from some background noise and distortion, something that would be carried through double amping and only dampened by high impedance headphones. If this device manages a better SNR, it may be the better choice over a Mixamp. Overall, it's just good to see new developments in this space.

Get a Mixamp 2011 edition. Like mine. wink.gif

Best at noise outside of receivers with DH.
post #12435 of 25594
I thought you sold your Mixamp? I believe you mate, but I see it more likely that I'll end up with a Marantz myself one day instead of my entry-level Yamaha, and in the short run I may pick up a DSS on the cheap just to experience it outside of scripted videos. So stuff will happen, it's nice making money again and having my entertainment feel like a reward after a days work wink.gif
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