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Also, Sleek Audio SA7 is finally out. Best wireless headphones evar? I'd like to know!

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Stranger things have happened. Like, that whole category of "fondling knives."

Those Sleek's may be the best wireless headphones ever... But I wouldn't know. I'm just always wary because the headphones always carry their own amps, DACs, create their own EMI, and usually compress the audio feed to fit the wireless bandwidth. Maybe science and beaucoup bucks have minimized those obstacles.
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Sexy keyboard...
Lol thx... Was debating getting a steel series, or razer, but the Shine II were just coming out at that point. Got the cherry browns, but am wishing i had bought blues instead. I'm also finding that I don't really need the Led's so maybe skip the Duckys and go with a Filco instead.
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Those Sleek's may be the best wireless headphones ever... Maybe science and beaucoup bucks have minimized those obstacles.

I wanna know myself. To narrow it down, I want wireless headphones that fit in the ear. I'll be wearing them when workout out so it can sit around/on my ear. Well, go look at the KLEER wireless technology that they've implemented with them. Also, check out dat construction!

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I currently have the AD700 and am trying to identify which ones to step up to next for competitive gaming. The K701 or Q701 are first on my list, but I'm really interested in what your thoughts are with the K550, which i believe actually replace the K701. More generally, can closed-back headphone deliver the soundstage and depth needed for competitive play?

Thoughts?
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I doubt they're trying to replace the Q/K70X with the K550, would be a big mistake for AKG but I guess anything's possible when it comes down from up top at HK.

You can certainly get decent separation and soundstage for gaming from some closed headphones, but I doubt you'll find any that come anywhere near the AD700 in that regard.

Do you intend to upgrade with other uses in mind (music/movies etc) or is this 100% for competitive gaming? If it's the latter I'd just save your money tbh.
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K550 doesn't replace the x70x or any other AKG headphone. It's just a new closed model.
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I doubt they're trying to replace the Q/K70X with the K550, would be a big mistake for AKG but I guess anything's possible when it comes down from up top at HK.

You can certainly get decent separation and soundstage for gaming from some closed headphones, but I doubt you'll find any that come anywhere near the AD700 in that regard.

Do you intend to upgrade with other uses in mind (music/movies etc) or is this 100% for competitive gaming? If it's the latter I'd just save your money tbh.

I may be wrong about the K550, but I read it somewhere. It's probably wrong. As for why I'm upgrading, yes, it's almost entirely for competitive gaming. The problem is the AD700 gets so extremely uncomfortable so quickly. I can not play for hours on end with these cans in any way. My thinking is with the upgrade, I want the same exceptional competitive performance, but with a hell of a lot more comfort for my small skull and with a little more focus on the general fun use. That's the reason I'm looking at the K701/Q701.
Edited by roguegeek - 2/9/13 at 3:48pm
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Gotcha, that's an entirely valid reason to upgrade IMO. I've never worn the AKG x70x long enough to judge their comfort in that way, seems hit or miss across the boards tho. I think the most common issue, the headband, shouldn't be hard to remedy (just wrap it in something else).
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Roguegeek,
You're referring to the AD700 problem where almost all the clamp is focused on the bottom of the earpads? IMO, it is a necessity to bend the headband "bars" so that the earpads are more "upright" and rest flush against the head/ears. Massive improvement, breaking in the earpads and increasing clamp by putting a rubber-band around the headband "wings" does the rest. If you do this right, you probably can mention it in a resale to INCREASE the value of the AD700.

The Q701 addressed most of the minor flaws I had with the AD700, especially bass weight and, in general, musicality. The downside is I feel a higher quality amp is needed to get the soundstage near the depth of the AD700, and now people are telling me I may have to upgrade my DAC too if I feel the sound is harsh. The Q is a great headphone, a better headphone, but it isn't cheap.

I haven't heard the K550, but it is a closed compliment to the K701 variants, which are semi-open (mostly open). Some people love them, and apparently they do have good soundstage for a closed headphone, but others mention a metallic tone that is a turn off. Best buys with magnolia sections usually have the K550, I couldn't get em to let me demo them, but you might be able to buy them and return them if you don't like 'em. Too many unknowns for me to make an opinion.
Edited by Evshrug - 2/10/13 at 2:26am
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I currently have the AD700 and am trying to identify which ones to step up to next for competitive gaming. The K701 or Q701 are first on my list, but I'm really interested in what your thoughts are with the K550, which i believe actually replace the K701. More generally, can closed-back headphone deliver the soundstage and depth needed for competitive play?

Thoughts

 

probably not, i mostly game with the d7000s. not great soundstage, but i not a competitive gamer. so im in it for the fun factor, and immersiveness. which the d7000s deliver. and boy, do they do it.

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Roguegeek,
You're referring to the AD700 problem where almost all the clamp is focused on the bottom of the earpads? IMO, it is a necessity to bend the headband "bars" so that the earpads are more "upright" and rest flush against the head/ears. Massive improvement, breaking in the earpads and increasing clamp by putting a rubber-band around the headband "wings" does the rest. If you do this right, you probably can mention it in a resale to INCREASE the value of the AD700.

The Q701 addressed most of the minor flaws I had with the AD700, especially bass weight and, in general, musicality. The downside is I feel a higher quality amp is needed to get the soundstage near the depth of the AD700, and now people are telling me I may have to upgrade my DAC too if I feel the sound is harsh. The Q is a great headphone, a better headphone, but it isn't cheap.

I haven't heard the K550, but it is a closed compliment to the K701 variants, which are semi-open (mostly open). Some people love them, and apparently they do have good soundstage for a closed headphone, but others mention a metallic tone that is a turn off. Best buys with magnolia sections usually have the K550, I couldn't get em to let me demo them, but you might be able to buy them and return them if you don't like 'em. Too many unknowns for me to make an opinion.

I understand all of the modding I can do with the AD700 to get it to fit right. I'm really just not happy with that path. When there's an overwhelmingly large and widespread issue that's documented such as the fit issue with a particular headphone, that's an issue with a product that should be addressed by the manufacturer and not the user. That's just my opinion. I know not everyone will share it. I think I may be keeping them to toy around with, but I definitely want to move onto something that's just better for me.

With moving onto something like the K701 or Q701, I'm not too concerned about making sure I give it the power it deserves. I have a FiiO E09k being shipped to me as we speak. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it can get the job done.

My more concerning question deals with the closed back design. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this. It sounds like, in general, you don't get as large of a soundstage as you would with something that's open. So in general, a closed-back wont be as good for competitive gaming. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but that's generally the case? I mean other than the pros of less noise leaking in and out of the headphones, I'm not really understanding why closed-back cans are worth buying over open cans.

Sorry if I'm muddying the questions together or are simply asking stupid ones, but I promise you I'm just trying to gain an understanding.
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The E09K will get the job done. The AKGs love current but are not that hard to get loud. People have used the E17 with the Q and K and been perfectly happy. E09K is actually a wonderful amp that served me really well for a year. I am thinking of plugging it into my new Dac/Amp cause while the dac portion is awesome I hate the Step Attenuator of the Maverick. I thought I would love it but it just completely irritates me due to it's variable gain. 

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@cib24

 

I'm really, really looking forward to your review of the X1's. At the moment I'm having a hard time choosing between these and the Beyer DT 880.

So far, I could only get my hands on the Beyer and liked them a lot, but the thing is, every single review on the internet or in magazines seems to be absolutely 100% positive for the Philips.

 

Sooo, I'm not trying to push you, but are we talking days or weeks until you post your full review?


Edited by Knorz - 2/10/13 at 11:31am
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Well, in my opinion the X1's are better for gaming due to a larger sound stage and are more cinematic due to the extra bass. But the details in the Beyer are better. Anyway, this review will probably be published by Friday or Saturday since I do have to go to work during the week and I'm still finishing up the break-in on the AKG's since I only began listening to them this past Friday evening. I have been leaving music on a low-medium volume over night though to break them in a bit quicker.

 

Do you guys think I should start a new dedicated thread to the review or just post the review within this thread and the X1 thread? I'm thinking the length of it might require it's own thread.
 


Edited by cib24 - 2/10/13 at 12:40pm
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