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Originally Posted by platzord View Post

Are the sennheiser hd 449 and sennheiser hd 439 good for gaming? I play mostly League of Legends.
Or would I be better with razer kraken pro? I've heard they're good for gaming and the sound quality is okay.

 

And if the sennheiser are better should I consider buying a new soundcard? I'm currently using the integrated audio in my motherboard( VIA VT1708S 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC).

Feel free to suggest other headphones :)

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions..

 

This all really depends on how you play (competitve or just for fun with friends), how much money you wanna spend and how much time you are going to listen to music and how much gaming you wanna do with them.

 

I cannot help you with the headphone decision, because I'm still looking for my own perfect solution. Did only test some Beyerdynamics so far. 

 

But I have to say, that a good soundcard lets good cans really shine. But probably not worth buying a soundcard for the two headphones you listed.

 

Maybe you could check out the Sennheiser PC360 if you are going to use it for teamspeak/skype/ventrillo


Edited by Sleinzel - 12/29/12 at 7:28am
post #10187 of 25546

Yeah I saw the pc360 already if I had enough money to buy them I would......


I play for fun xD, I spend all day on skype with my friends, listening to music and playing. 
I've got around 80€ to spend which is around 105$ I think.. So I'm kinda looking for confortable headphones that I can use for long periods of time with good sound for music and gaming.


Edited by platzord - 12/29/12 at 7:37am
post #10188 of 25546
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Originally Posted by platzord View Post

I play for fun xD, I spend all day on skype with my friends, listening to music and playing. 
I've got around 80€ to spend which is around 105$ I think.. So I'm kinda looking for confortable headphones that I can use for long periods of time with good sound for music and gaming.

 

80€ is not much... Maybe you wanna save some money, until you can buy something a little bit more expensive.

 

 

If you wanna save some money and buy a cheap headset, this one would be my choice:

 

http://www.amazon.de/Creative-FATAL1TY-Series-Gaming-Headset/dp/B000P5VR16/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 

 

Lets see what the pros recommand :D

post #10189 of 25546
Mad,
I also felt the temptation of the Bravo tube hybrid, but FWIR I would guess you would feel unsatisfied compared to your other amp experience, unless you wanted to muck around with a soldering iron and parts upgrades from Mouser. Stock, the Bravo suffers some treble AND bass roll-off... The "Indeed" version has upgraded MOSFETS that address most of the treble extension issues, but it has an even wimpy-er power capacitor so bass impact and extension suffer. Apparently the mods are easy if you have a soldering iron and a bit of patience, but I don't see you as willing to "fix" an amp by mucking around. The Little Dot i+ gets good praise, but I see most people recommend a Little Dot MKII or a Project Sunrise (upgraded design based on the bravo/indeeds) first for the level of headphone you play in. I wish i could show you specific examples, but you read much of the Q701 appreciation thread wink.gif Maybe you should borrow my tube amp some time?
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Originally Posted by Sleinzel View Post

Thanks for your input so far.

I went to a friend who owns Beyerdynamic DT 880 and 990, but I have to say, I hate them. I kinda get the feeling, that they have too much treble. 

So, my decision is between the HD 650, 600, 598.

Does anyone use the HD 650 or 600 with Asus Xonar Essence ST(X)? Is this soundcard good enough to drive them? I don't expect the 650/600 to give its full potential, but I can always buy a better AMP than the one on the Soundcard. I think I would regret buying the HD598 and then have to upgrade to the HD650 later...


Sleinzel,
I also have lately become sensitive to too much treble, I think the point where "sparkle" becomes "sizzle" has become easier to reach. I have always wanted to try a Beyerdynamic, particularly the DT880 because other Head-Fi'ers review it as very balanced (though slightly bass light) and an experience very transparent to the music. The Sennheiser HD600 is also regarded as more balanced (noticing a pattern of my preference?) than the former flagship HD650, featuring realistic timbre but also "magical mids," maybe not as much as in MLE's experience with the HD650 but still of high repute. But I don't have any friends with the audiophile bug (shocking in some cases, really), and I've never heard either. Grain of salt, my friend.

That said, I love my Q701, which seems reasonable to find used near $200. As another user recently mentioned, it sounds quite good even off a typical amp (like Mixamp or even straight out of an iPod headphone jack), but the Q701 really blossoms when paired with an amp carrying more power. I used my Q701 with a Yamaha receiver and a dedicated headphone tube amp that was made custom for me. My theory based on personal observation is that either powerful Solid State or Tube amp will improve the dynamics and authority, the "drama" of audio if you will, Solid State amps can more easily provide gobs of current to supply a smooth, deep bass extension, while Tube amps really brought the soundstage to "life" with more air and can change dramatically by swapping tubes. IMO, any amp will add to the immersive qualities of a good headphone, though I would give a particular nod to a tube amp for how it's strengths translate to soundstage performance AND I happen to find it more immersive.
Last night, I played the demos for DMC and RE6 then watched the movie Aliens for 30 minutes before my girlfriend called and we watched the movie at her place. The demos felt like I was in cheater mode, I remembered particularly feeling that it was impossible not to notice there was a "lost soul" over this way in the DMC demo, and Aliens was so cool, but when we watched it at her house with her sound system (and 55" plasma Panasonic) we had to turn the volume up extra high because the midbass muddied over the dialogue and it was hard to make out what people were saying... The headphone setup at my home sounded more realistic, atmospheric, AND it was easy to hear everything that was going on. I honestly prefer movies on my home setup than at a movie theater.
I'm currently using a Sylvania JAN 6DJ8 which I won on eBay for $15 – my first listen was an "Oh my god, IT'S FULL OF STARS!" moment: with which the bass isn't fat, but through the entire frequency range the detail and texture were immediately impressive. I feel euphoric while listening. Meanwhile, the Amperex I started with was much more "chocolate" in flavor, bass was phat and mids were very liquid, I would have a hard time going back now but then again I prefer vanilla ice cream usually (plain ice cream is Bleh).
I have a 70's Russian mil-spec tube on the way (winning bid was $.01, so $11.01 shipped), and I also made the FiiO E12 preorder list, so soon I'll be able to make even more amp comparisons.
Quote:
Originally Posted by platzord View Post

Are the sennheiser hd 449 and sennheiser hd 439 good for gaming? I play mostly League of Legends.

Or would I be better with razer kraken pro? I've heard they're good for gaming and the sound quality is okay.

And if the sennheiser are better should I consider buying a new soundcard? I'm currently using the integrated audio in my motherboard( VIA VT1708S 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC).

Feel free to suggest other headphones smily_headphones1.gif
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions..


Platzord,
What too many questions? smily_headphones1.gif
I play a lot of Starcraft II, which is set up basically the same as LoL (though audio cues are different). The good news is, you probably don't need to spend much money to max out your gaming audio experience (I bet you've heard the same thing about graphics cards wink.gif ). That said, headphones emphasizing comfort and clarity in the mids will go a long way. Refined clarity nets you improved dialogue (& chat?) comprehension to some extent, but the biggest advantage would be how easy it would be for you to separate the different sounds of battle so you'll easily hear cues about spells recharged and perhaps the preparations of a griefer. So, control and clarity should be where you target your budget.

I haven't heard people bring up Razer's headsets as being particularly good (performance or value wise) in neutral forums, though people DO rave about their mice and keyboards. Make what you will of that. I haven't personally heard the two Sennheiser models you mention, but the HD449's predecessor sold out quickly and the HD449 continues to be popular, with Head-Fi reviews by experienced reviewers usually including a statement along the lines that Sennheiser's headphones offer great sound quality for their price. I don't think you could go wrong with either, in fact I think you would even do well with the PX100 II on-ear headphones, of which I own the mark I version. My PX100 have a very pleasant balance and are very comfortable (I had to replace the earpad foam after 4 years to restore the comfort), and would do what you need. Mad Lust Envy and Chicolom will also attest to the even cheaper Koss KSC 75 being a viable option, I like 'em too but I haven't compared them (bought for my gf) side-by-side with the PX100 yet. If you go for the cheaper-but-cheerful portable options, they also compliment reference headphones well if you decide you want to wait till you can splash for an all-out amazing headphone.

Oh, almost forgot to mention, cheap USB mics are very viable for all you need to do with PCs. Ask NamelessPFG on his thread what mic he uses. If you want to record your voice better than a cheap mic, you can easily do that better than a headset can anyway.

All that said, the Skullcandy SLYR is still on a massive sale right now (right?), if you read MLE's review and think the clarity will be good enough, then look back a page or two for the discount code on a decent entry-level gaming headset.
post #10190 of 25546
I disagree about the razer carcarias sp? In particular. If you only want to spend about 70 bucks and be out I would put it on your short list but get mixamp over their surround sound expensive sets. My Razers are comfy as hell a lil bassy for an open can but positioning was very impressive. I searched for months before I got big recommendations from several big names at MLG and was very pleased in the end. I still use them for DnB listening. Are they the best headphone? No. Not by far but foe 70 bucks no amp required it's a solid choice over crappy Trittons and TB junk.
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Srry for mistakes but typing from my cell is a pain
post #10192 of 25546
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post
SR009 in your future, Nameless. biggrin.gif

 

It might happen, but I'd have to get rich first!

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post
Ask NamelessPFG on his thread what mic he uses.

 

Just for the record, I use some cheap beige Packard Bell (!)-branded desk mic I found at a thrift store for a dollar on my desktop. It does the job.

 

I'll eventually replace it with the ModMic once they get the mute-switched versions rolling off the assembly line.

post #10193 of 25546

Havn't been much up to date the last couple of months in this thread.

Just felt over this http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Unsere-Highlights-des-Jahres-2012-jetzt-stark-reduziert-:_:606.html a MMX for 270 euro, seems pretty cheap. Ain't those the same af dt 990 premium 250 ohm?.

They are 300 £ on amazon. So it seems like they are pretty cheap :O?

post #10194 of 25546
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Sleinzel,
I also have lately become sensitive to too much treble, I think the point where "sparkle" becomes "sizzle" has become easier to reach. I have always wanted to try a Beyerdynamic, particularly the DT880 because other Head-Fi'ers review it as very balanced (though slightly bass light) and an experience very transparent to the music. The Sennheiser HD600 is also regarded as more balanced (noticing a pattern of my preference?) than the former flagship HD650, featuring realistic timbre but also "magical mids," maybe not as much as in MLE's experience with the HD650 but still of high repute. But I don't have any friends with the audiophile bug (shocking in some cases, really), and I've never heard either. Grain of salt, my friend.
That said, I love my Q701, which seems reasonable to find used near $200. As another user recently mentioned, it sounds quite good even off a typical amp (like Mixamp or even straight out of an iPod headphone jack), but the Q701 really blossoms when paired with an amp carrying more power. I used my Q701 with a Yamaha receiver and a dedicated headphone tube amp that was made custom for me. My theory based on personal observation is that either powerful Solid State or Tube amp will improve the dynamics and authority, the "drama" of audio if you will, Solid State amps can more easily provide gobs of current to supply a smooth, deep bass extension, while Tube amps really brought the soundstage to "life" with more air and can change dramatically by swapping tubes. IMO, any amp will add to the immersive qualities of a good headphone, though I would give a particular nod to a tube amp for how it's strengths translate to soundstage performance AND I happen to find it more immersive.
Last night, I played the demos for DMC and RE6 then watched the movie Aliens for 30 minutes before my girlfriend called and we watched the movie at her place. The demos felt like I was in cheater mode, I remembered particularly feeling that it was impossible not to notice there was a "lost soul" over this way in the DMC demo, and Aliens was so cool, but when we watched it at her house with her sound system (and 55" plasma Panasonic) we had to turn the volume up extra high because the midbass muddied over the dialogue and it was hard to make out what people were saying... The headphone setup at my home sounded more realistic, atmospheric, AND it was easy to hear everything that was going on. I honestly prefer movies on my home setup than at a movie theater.
I'm currently using a Sylvania JAN 6DJ8 which I won on eBay for $15 – my first listen was an "Oh my god, IT'S FULL OF STARS!" moment: with which the bass isn't fat, but through the entire frequency range the detail and texture were immediately impressive. I feel euphoric while listening. Meanwhile, the Amperex I started with was much more "chocolate" in flavor, bass was phat and mids were very liquid, I would have a hard time going back now but then again I prefer vanilla ice cream usually (plain ice cream is Bleh).
I have a 70's Russian mil-spec tube on the way (winning bid was $.01, so $11.01 shipped), and I also made the FiiO E12 preorder list, so soon I'll be able to make even more amp comparisons.

 

Thanks for your response.

 

The Q701 look pretty good, but they're priced the same as the HD650 in my country (400$). I thought the HD650 is normally a lot more expensive. Maybe I could get the Q701 used for 200$, but I'm not the kind of guy for used stuff...

 

As I stated, I don't think the Beyerdynamics are the perfect solution for me. I don't think I could give these cans another unbiased test, after hearing them today perform so bad (sorry guys, but the treble... arg).

 

 

I think I'm pretty sure, I'm gonna buy the HD650 and Asus Xonar Essence STX

post #10195 of 25546

Thanks for all the replies guys!

I'll be taking a look at the PX100 and the Skullcandy SLYR before I make any decison! I've tried the HD439 and they were very confortable, I was kinda surprised!

Thanks again for all the help

post #10196 of 25546
Platzord,
It is amazing how comfortable headphones can get!

Mad,
How about this amp? I'll be pitting it up against my tube amp wink.gif
http://www.head-fi.org/t/620339/upcoming-fiio-flagship-portable-amp-mont-blanc-e12-updated-on-12-30-2012-final-photo/465#post_9002519
post #10197 of 25546
Thread Starter 
That E12 is interesting, as it is basically as powerful as the E9 in a portable package. Maybe even more powerful.
post #10198 of 25546
Since my order for the DSS was MIA I got a refund and bought a few game to calm me down.(Say alot about me if I go to dark souls for that)
Now I'm ready to try again with 250 im my belt and mixamp in my sight....problem is it's 70$ more then the DSS and I can't decide wether to bite the bullet just for extra features.

However if anyone's willing to sell the mixamp 5.8 I'll glady buy it from them.(Visa only I can't use paypal)
post #10199 of 25546
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Originally Posted by mrkingdomhearts View Post

Since my order for the DSS was MIA I got a refund and bought a few game to calm me down.(Say alot about me if I go to dark souls for that)
Now I'm ready to try again with 250 im my belt and mixamp in my sight....problem is it's 70$ more then the DSS and I can't decide wether to bite the bullet just for extra features.
However if anyone's willing to sell the mixamp 5.8 I'll glady buy it from them.(Visa only I can't use paypal)

Mixamp. Dont buy turtle beach.
post #10200 of 25546

Wow, that E12 looks delish. They said it has a crossfeed but I don't see it in the pics D:

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