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Hi. Need a closed headphone with decent - good isolation and works well with dolby headphone. Would you guys say the alpha dog meets these requirements? What else would be recommended. 

 

Max budget is the price of the alpha dogs. 

 

A second vote here for the Alpha Dogs. Some people love the S-Logic aspect of Ultrasone headphones, you can get a Pro 900 in that price range as well. And MLE has a review of them on the first page. It's a pretty fun can, but the S-Logic is polarizing; either you love it or hate it. The Alphas are incredible closed cans and you'll be happy with them as long as you're ok with a wait to get them. They're definitely worth the wait, that's for sure.

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A second vote here for the Alpha Dogs. Some people love the S-Logic aspect of Ultrasone headphones, you can get a Pro 900 in that price range as well. And MLE has a review of them on the first page. It's a pretty fun can, but the S-Logic is polarizing; either you love it or hate it. The Alphas are incredible closed cans and you'll be happy with them as long as you're ok with a wait to get them. They're definitely worth the wait, that's for sure.

God no please not the 900... It's a good gaming headphone but it's 'polarizing' treble still give me nightmares.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

People always want comparisons. Now if i make comparisons and have a bias towards one, it will come off as the other one not being worth listening to.
MLE,
I wouldn't worry too much about it... I mean, we get your opinion which is pretty consistent, and several thread regulars (where's Chico been lately?) who share other tastes on balance. I think it's pretty easy to agree that a headphone is overall GOOD or unrefined, beyond that though everyone has a personal taste that will make "favourites."

Everyone,
It's like kman1211 said, everyone is going to have their own audiophile journey. I have people come to my electronics store and often ask what headphones to buy, and I always point out a few mid-Fi options in the $100-$200 range that will set a baseline for GOOD (and relatively refined) sound that won't break the bank. I tell them that this is a good price range to play in, to learn what their preferences are. And then get an amp and stuff to fill out their system. Don't splash big right away, because it's easy to misjudge what you prefer on your first upgrade away from earbuds (cuz you need almost everything improved).

Mad,
your tonal preference is mostly for a gentle V-shaped frequency curve, and you like a little extra (but finely done) bass to kick it up a notch (not too much to give you a headache), but sometimes you'll be surprised by a unique character and really like it (hd650, MA900). That's a pretty good sign of knowing-yourself with a dash of open-mindedness IMO, though I know your ultimate holy grail would be Denon D7000 sound with velour Earpad comfort, that can easily be worn while laying in bed smily_headphones1.gif I say that you are easy enough to figure out your preferences, you also state pros and cons, and that most adults will be able to take what they need from your review. The few people who can't analyze for themselves and look for someone else's idea of "the best," well... they're gonna need to make mistakes anyway to learn. Meanwhile, a wise man once told me that you can't help including subjective opinion in reviews, and honestly I think it's more interesting to read when you hear/see one aspect you really like or dislike. It gets the conversation and debate going, keeps the thread lively.


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It is kind of weird. I have noticed that seems to be a drawback with neutral dynamic headphones, system matching is vital with anything neutral. I am sensitive to harsh sibilance. Some sibilance bothers me, other types of sibilance doesn't. It's kind of weird. When a headphone bothers me sonically it causes my ears to clog up and eventual ear pain some reason leading to temporary channel imbalances(where the center is behind my right or left ear, usually right) in my hearing which is incredibly annoying. The K612 is one of the only headphones I owned that doesn't do that to me.
I have a friend like that at work. He's really big into playing CS:GO, but I had to take great care in picking a headphone to suggest to him because most of the (gamer) headsets he'd tried so far had the exact same sibilance effect on him, and his ears would clog up with extra earwax (a sign of the body trying to protect from hearing damage). CS:GO is like his fav game, but it's VERY treble harsh (& surprisingly not great with sound positioning IMO), so I recommended darker headphones (IMO the MA900 as well as the usual Sennheisers are "polite"). It'll be interesting to hear the K612 soon.


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Honestly, because of that heavy bias, I predicted this the moment Ev decided to send his K712 in at the same time. If the K612 would have arrived alone, like it was supposes to the first time I sent it, the review would have been much less biased... and more people would be inclined to get them.

Instead, everyone is just jumping on the K712 and overlooking the K612. The whole point of me sending it in was so it would stop being overlooked like it is. Didn't work, I guess lol

You know, I hear baby powder is good to help prevent getting a wedgie wink.gif
Jk, love ya dude. Also, I think you originally pitched the idea to me of sending both (like back in October or something?) and when the cat was outta the bag, Mad and others were much more excited to hear the K612, while the K712 had a much more lukewarm "well you can send it if you really want..."

But anyway, there's nothing to fret about. We've seen like three people go "OOOH, New hotness, THIS is the affordable 'best' headphone," but tons of people lurk this thread and make up their own budget/mind. See my paragraph above about how I recommend headphones to others... The K612 is one of several very good options, pretty upscale, and I haven't heard it yet to know if I'd prefer it BUT it is a generally very strong headphone on paper since it is balanced and neutral, maybe not the loudest off of an iPod but should be very clean and well-dampened while also encouraging users to explore the other benefits of amping... maybe they occasionally want a bit more volume and then OH WAIT I HEAR BONUS BENEFITS! And the learning lightbulb comes on.

So yeah, I'd say the K612 fills the void in the $150-199 price spot created when the MA900 was discontinued and the price hiked up, and a satisfying second or even first headphone upgrade. I'm still stoked to hear it! But don't take it personally if others prefer something else o_O
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

I have a friend like that at work. He's really big into playing CS:GO, but I had to take great care in picking a headphone to suggest to him because most of the (gamer) headsets he'd tried so far had the exact same sibilance effect on him, and his ears would clog up with extra earwax (a sign of the body trying to protect from hearing damage). CS:GO is like his fav game, but it's VERY treble harsh (& surprisingly not great with sound positioning IMO), so I recommended darker headphones (IMO the MA900 as well as the usual Sennheisers are "polite"). It'll be interesting to hear the K612 soon.
 

 

I had some issues with the MA900 in the long run sadly. Senns are generally fine in terms of not causing me problems, I don't like many Senns though. The HD 6xx family are some of the only Senns I like. I have a previous generation of the the HD 600/650 coming in here soon, the HD 545, curious how similar it sounds. The K612 isn't what I consider a polite headphone as it's quite revealing, it's just non-fatiguing to me. I can usually tell within a few days to a week or two if a headphone is going to cause me problems in the long run. I do sometimes want a fun and bright sound though, that's what my MB Quart QP 220 is for.

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As much as it sucks for my wallet, I have to agree that taking the "audiophile journey" is the only way to really tell what you're going to like in the end.  It's all very subjective and it turns out that my personal tastes don't line up with a lot of people's (THX > DH, Q701 > X1, etc).

 

The great thing is that once you understand your own personal tastes, it's a lot easier to interpret other people's subjective reviews.  I don't know that I'm there 100% yet, as I've only tried 3 headphones in this thread.  But already I'm starting to get an idea of what turns me on (clear, detailed, bright presentation) and I realize it's not actually the same as what MLE likes. 

 

 

His top 10 lists do me no good.  I have to go through and read the reviews in detail to understand what he's describing to decide for myself.

 

I realize now that he's been saying that for ages; it's right there at the top of the reviews.  The problem is that I didn't UNDERSTAND it until I took started the journey myself. 

 

All that said, though, I think a lot of people (myself included) overanalyze this decision.  If you're looking to get into your first audiophile headphone for gaming, just pick a budget and then pick something with a good review.  I kinda like what Nameless did in his guide.  There's a tl;dr right at the top.  I'd add something like that to this guide like:

 

"If you're here to find the best gaming headphone and just want to cut to the chase, here's a quick summary.  Astro's are overpriced.  If your budget is $150-200, get a K612.  If your budget is $200-300, get an X1.  If your budget is $300-400, get a Q701 (do the bass mod) and a Schiit Vali.  If you'd rather read all the details and make your own decision, read on..."

 

(You know, obviously you can pick your own recommendations, but you get the idea.)

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You know, I hear baby powder is good to help prevent getting a wedgie wink.gif
Jk, love ya dude. Also, I think you originally pitched the idea to me of sending both (like back in October or something?) and when the cat was outta the bag, Mad and others were much more excited to hear the K612, while the K712 had a much more lukewarm "well you can send it if you really want..."

But anyway, there's nothing to fret about. We've seen like three people go "OOOH, New hotness, THIS is the affordable 'best' headphone," but tons of people lurk this thread and make up their own budget/mind. See my paragraph above about how I recommend headphones to others... The K612 is one of several very good options, pretty upscale, and I haven't heard it yet to know if I'd prefer it BUT it is a generally very strong headphone on paper since it is balanced and neutral, maybe not the loudest off of an iPod but should be very clean and well-dampened while also encouraging users to explore the other benefits of amping... maybe they occasionally want a bit more volume and then OH WAIT I HEAR BONUS BENEFITS! And the learning lightbulb comes on.

So yeah, I'd say the K612 fills the void in the $150-199 price spot created when the MA900 was discontinued and the price hiked up, and a satisfying second or even first headphone upgrade. I'm still stoked to hear it! But don't take it personally if others prefer something else o_O

I was constipated, sorry frown.gif

And, that wasn't my issue. The review of the K612, itself, is great. My issue was with how he ended it, at first. It killed the whole point of me sending then in (to put them on the map). His heavy bias towards the end, whether he realized or not, did the exact opposite.

It's fixed, now, so you wont be able to see what I was referring to.

Thanks for taking our opinions into consideration, Mad. It may seem as if I was defending the K612, and in part I was, but not because you prefer the K712, personally. I was basically just defending the purpose of me sending them in for review.

If I wasn't, and still don't, make any sense on what I'm trying to say... then I may just have to take a break from trying to contribute.
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MLE, indeed the K712 and Anniversary are good headphones, but they all come prom the same mold as you know. They all retain the K701 signature but are voiced slightly different. The K701 being neutral, the K702 being Neutral, the Q701 being warmer (slightly), the K712 being warmer yet, and the Anniversary which sounded like a repackaged K712 to me. To me I hear no difference at all between the Anniversary and K712, even on all my amps they sounded the same. 

 

That being said it all comes down to one preference in tone. The only thing I am arguing is that the K712 and K702 Anniversary are the same thing and I recommend the cheaper option since the Q701 in $178 less than both of the models right now. That's why me and Change (I think) are arguing about them. $200 is a lot of money, especially when these four variations all sound similar. Surely you can understand my stance.

 

How can the Q701 be a one trick pony? It's pretty good with all genres minus rap or dub-step.. The same could then be said of the other variations.

 

I'll stand by my statement Head-Fiers, the Q701 is currently the best value out of all those variations currently. Heck the K612 is $143 on Amazon right now, so that's a better value yet. But if you guys are looking for a more refined sound, get the Q701. If you want a warmer and more forgiving tone, get the K612. Both are great choices, and I own both.

 

If you got agitated or offended I am sorry, but I wanted to voice how they are the same.

 

Change, I know exactly what you mean. It was basically "The K612 is good but get the K712 instead". It undermines the whole reviews and just tells you to ignore the K612. The K612 may not be as good as the K712, but it's performance is darned close IMO. The sonic tone is also more pleasing to me, but to each their own.


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I'm still a fan, you're a great guy regardless of the fact that you happen to have a relevant qualification. Were you my mystery follower on the stream?

 

Old quote! I was not your mystery follower. Once I got some writing done after work I crashed immediately. As for my degree, I specialized in ADR and audio for broadcasting. I spend less time working with speakers and headphones than I do mics and mixers. Then again, I don't currently use my degree.

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