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post #11971 of 23016
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Putting my HE-400 up on sale. Just remember, they are currently on loan until the end of next week, so pay now and they'll be shipped out as soon as he's finished.

As I mentioned before, no labeling (just the cable have the L/R indicators).



$300 total, $15 extra if not marked as gift. USA only. PM me if interested.
post #11972 of 23016
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

If I get the D7000, I'm gonna order some Lawton pads, which are real leather. Having used the LCD2, I see that leather pads are a bit better in comfort than pleather. My skin doesn't stick to it, and doesn't irritate it as much. I still would prefer velour, but I can live with leather pads.

That's a big if. Guess we'll find out in 5 days.

Not gonna lie, if the HE-400 was with me right now, I'd have a listing up on the FS section. If it sold, then yes, the D7000 would be a yes.
No luck finding any X1s?
post #11973 of 23016
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Nope. To be honest, I lost interest. Instead of pinning my hopes on that, I rather just go for what I know made me 100% happy, even if it costs a bit more.
post #11974 of 23016
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How hard is the DT 990 premium 600 ohm to drive, if you use the Essence STX sound card, O2 amp or runs from an receiver?.

Amazon got one discounted 90£ on that one.

Anyone can give some hint?.

This one is just ALOT cheaper than the 250 ohm:)

post #11975 of 23016
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The STX and O2 should be decent with them. The Magni would be better though. It has more power at 600ohm.
post #11976 of 23016

Thanks for the great write and thanks all that contributed. I passed on the Astros to go after the Dt990's after couple weeks of debating.Pretty much will be used for everything gaming,music,etc.. just felt these would be a nice all around set to start with. biggrin.gif

post #11977 of 23016
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Originally Posted by Grymok View Post

This one is just ALOT cheaper than the 250 ohm:)

I own the Essence STX and an O2 amp and a decent receiver.

I would think a Titanium HD with an external headphone amplifier (like my O2) or the Schit Magni would be the best choice.

My O2 seem to provide more power to drive my 600-Ohm headphones then the STX and receiver.

I'm guessing the Magni is at least equal power wise to my O2.

post #11978 of 23016
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Yeah, that's how I was doing it. Xbox HDMI to to, OPTICAL out on tv to mixamp. That way I could use all my devices with the mixamp. My TV however, a 55 inch Sammy, it seems was not able to output 5.1.

Turns out I was NOT getting a surround feed. I plugged in the optical cord straight from the 360 to the mix amp and fired up Far Cry 3. The difference was night and day. I can really feel the footsteps, gunshots and explosions.

 

Haha, here I was sitting there with the optical from the TV in the mixamp. Gunshot. Reload. Grenade. Unhook the optical and plug in the 360 optical. Gunshot. Reload. Grenade.

 

So yeah, thanks for the advice guys. What little I've been able to play since doing this (only played FC3, and for not very long), the results have been incredible. I hopefully should not have any other issues with the 598's.

 

 

On a different but related topic, I will be upgrading my surround sound system this week. Going from an old Samsung home theater in a box to an Onkyo NR515, BIC F12 sub, and Energy take classics 5.0.

 

My question, will the amp on the NR515 better drive these cans or should I continue to use the mixamp?

 

Hey EdwardB4 are you sure that  your not outputing 5.1 from your hdmi cord into your tv set then out the optical port of the tv to mixamp in 5.1 virtual surround?? IF NO, that's strange both of my sets do it but maybe its different from model to model samsungs??   So i assume you had the console hooked  up to HDMI port 1 which is usually the game mode port on the sammy's right??

 

I did just as you say you had done by putting optical cord from out of xbox360 straight into mixamp and your original way with the hdmi sounds no different!! They both put out 5.1 virtual surround on both my sammy's but again it could be diff on yours...

post #11979 of 23016

The Q701s and K702 Anniversaries are locked in an epic battle as I speak!

post #11980 of 23016
Looking forward to this as I have q701 and I'm thinking of returning themand getting the Annie
post #11981 of 23016

Here are the initial quick comparisons:

 

Q701:

Faster sounding, more air, cleaner separation, soundstage is more laid-back, greater impression of depth and distance in the soundstage.

 

K702 65:

More "Musical", lush, smoother, more body, slightly darker treble, less air, soundstage gives impression of being more forward and intimate.

 

There are some more lengthy initial impressions from the K702 anniversary thread: (Click to show)

 

Whoo boy...I already have about two and a half pages of notes!

 

Okay.

 

Well, first off I will say that as far as I can tell, the sonic changes are due to the pads.  I've A-Bed back and forth between each can with their stock pads, A-Bed back and forth with each can wearing the latters pads, and A-Bed back and forth with the same can switching pads.  It's a little hard to due the last one, as I have to pause and unlock all the bayonet locks then swap pads and relock them (usually having to reposition that little grey foam that likes to fall out).  But, again from what I've heard so far the Q701 with 65 pads sounds like the 65 and vice a versa. 

 

So the good news is I think you can mod any x70x into anniversaries by using their pads.  You can also "own" both types of sounds if you own both pairs of pads.  No need to keep two headphone around..

 

The bad news is, I don't know which can I like more!  They both do some things well. 

 

As was ruled out earlier in the thread, the changes aren't just limited to bass, nor are they just limited to bass mids and treble.  I also detect some soundstage changes as well.

 

This is where the Q701 still appears to have an advantage.  It's main strong points are the soundstage size, sound separation, and air.  The K702 65s strong points are the thicker bass (obviously), as well as the rest of the balance being a bit thicker and weightier, more "musical" as head-fi would call it. It's a little warmer and a little darker.  BUT, the soundstage sounds a bit more intimate and upfront, whereas the Q701 still sounds more laid back and spacious.

 

My first thoughts after hearing the soundstage were, "OK, so the bass isn't "free."  Those flatter non-angled pads are compressing the soundstage."  I'm not 100% positive though, because I heard the anniversaries throw a couple sounds out pretty far, at a similar distance as the Q701.  So now I'm running some more tests to try and further disect the soundstage differences to see how much of the soundstage differences come from a byproduct of the weightier sound, and how much of it comes from actual having flatter pads and what role they are playing. 

 

I don't want to conflate a weightier sound with a smaller soundstage, because that's the impression you get at first listen (similar to how some people say the Q701 soundstage is smaller than older x70x).  Possibly the soundstage sizes are similar, but the 65s have more sound trying to fill up the same space (soundstage size) or even slightly smaller, which means you can't have as clear separation as some sounds start to bump into each other.

 

Or possibly the flatter pads are indeed a bit detrimental to the soundstage, and pan the sounds harder to the sides and decrease the depth.  Still working on analyzing that.  The flattest part of the Q701 pad is just about the same size as the entire anniversary pad.

 

I also think the anniversary sounds more like a modded Q701 then a universally "improved" Q701.  And judging by the pad swapping I did, it may in fact be primarily a pad "mod".  I wouldn't expect a pad mod to completely improve a headphone without some side effects though.

 

I think it's safe to say that the anniversary's balance is more general-purpose, where usually the x70x gets recommend more for specific genres (usually instrumental stuff) then others.  If your someone who digs the x70x but listens more outside of it's usual recommended genres, then the anniversary may be a better choice.  If you mainly listen to the "typical" x70x genres though, the original x70x might be better as that extra air and soundstage separation (and size?) is pretty important to those genres.

 

Still working on it...

 

Also, the anniversaries are quite sexy looking.

 

BTW, my initial impressions share some similarities to Blackmore's here >

http://www.head-fi.org/t/626971/akg-k702-65th-anniversary-edition/1515#post_9193460

 

Also this quote from Preproman from the previous page is pretty accurate "Q701 = extended treble but not harsh clear crisp balanced with more air.  65th.  Treble rolled off a tab bit but not in a bad way. More bass presence and the mids are more lush.  Still very balanced with less air"

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....I've already listened enough to "normalize" a little to the anniversaries then gone back to the Qs and thought they sounded more "audio-technica-y" redface.gif

 

That's probably the experience you will get when tdocks Q701 arrive.  They will sound thinner, lighter, and brighter (similar to old x70x).  You probably won't like it after normalizing the anniversary sound.  But, the soundstage and imaging are worth paying attention to (and the air is appreciated as well).  Those are BIG for me.

 

I think they're both balanced in their own way, and are like variations on a similar balance.  Whichever one you've been listening to more may sound more balanced to you. 

 

So far if I could combine the two, I'd keep the majority of the anniversaries balance, but with the upper air of the Q701 and it's spacier sounding soundstage.

 

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/626971/akg-k702-65th-anniversary-edition/1575#post_9206925

 

I'm still listening, and adding more as I go.  I will consolidate the impressions all together after I've had more time.

post #11982 of 23016

oh noooooooo... I was hoping that the sound stage wouldn't get smaller.... sigh... oh well.  I'll have to hope that with more burn in that changes....

post #11983 of 23016
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oh noooooooo... I was hoping that the sound stage wouldn't get smaller.... sigh... oh well.  I'll have to hope that with more burn in that changes....

 

Yes, me too. 

 

 

I wouldn't wait for burn-in to change it.  From what I've heard, the pads are making the difference in sound.  And the pads do the same thing with my Q701s.  I swapped the anniversary pads onto my Q701 and it makes them sound like the anniversary - more body, but also more forward.  And my Q701s are WELL burned in.  wink.gif

post #11984 of 23016
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

Yes, me too. 

 

 

I wouldn't wait for burn-in to change it.  From what I've heard, the pads are making the difference in sound.  And the pads do the same thing with my Q701s.  I swapped the anniversary pads onto my Q701 and it makes them sound like the anniversary - more body, but also more forward.  And my Q701s are WELL burned in.  wink.gif

Oh man... I just bought a 65th Annie... I should of just got the Pads... well if anything changes please let us know.  Thanks!

post #11985 of 23016

Thinking of getting ATH-AD900 over AD 700, found a cheap pair on ebay, mainly for gaming but also some movies and music. Basically the same headphone but bigger base?

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