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post #8236 of 28006
Hmm MLE or anyone, could you please listen to http://soundcloud.com/nettwerkmusicgroup/junkie-xl-made-for-each-other-feat-jan-hammer this at like 3:39....it's fine for me there but then around 3:58 onwards I start hearing some distortion / crackling (not sure what the audio terminology would be for this). I'm wondering if this is because of my amp or if it's just the way the song is
Edited by chroniX - 10/12/12 at 6:28am
post #8237 of 28006
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Hmm MLE or anyone, could you please listen to http://soundcloud.com/nettwerkmusicgroup/junkie-xl-made-for-each-other-feat-jan-hammer this at like 3:39....it's fine for me there but then around 3:58 onwards I start hearing some distortion / crackling (not sure what the audio terminology would be for this). I'm wondering if this is because of my amp or if it's just the way the song is

Listening to it now. Just by looking at the waves... it looks like it's almost all distortion. Pretty ugly looking distortion.

edit: Definitely the track. It's crackling like crazy right where you noted.



Man, just listening to music off the DT990/32. The 250ohm is gonna have to truly jump in quality of soundstage and airiness to make me wanna give these up. Hell, I may end up returning both just so I can get a MANUFAKTUR...

What you think of these? (I think the first two actually look better with silver arms): (BEFORE ANYONE ASKS, NO I DON'T LIKE BLACK VELOURS. They look bland and they pick up dust in a mad hurry)











I was looking at the MMX300, and I like the carbon fiber housing on it.



So a DT990 version of the MMX300 (sans mic)



I just kind of prefer black metal arms, not silver, though a part of me feels the silver arms better matches the velours.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/12 at 7:26am
post #8238 of 28006
Thanks for checking into that song for me, I thought it might be symptoms of using the amp and my HD595.

Those look gorgeous, could you customize the impedance / ohms too? On the MX300 styling, I prefer the black arms. But on the red one I think the silver arm looks sharper. With the blue/green I prefer the black one.

How much are these and have you looked into getting them used?
post #8239 of 28006
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Lol, after shipping they'll all cost over $450. rolleyes.gif You're literally spending hundreds for the customization, though the real leather headband padding isn't cheap itself.



And yes, you can change what ohm you want, though for some reason the 600ohm is a bit more expensive than the other two which are the same price.

Used MANUFAKTURS are very rare, lol.

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/hifi-manufaktur/dt-990-manufaktur.html

http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/hifi-manufaktur/dt-990-manufaktur.html

The EU one has more customization options, but are even more expensive.



I'd SO get this, if it was available in the USA store. About the only way I'd take black velours. I'd even remove the silver tabs (I've done it before).

Maybe an Oreo DT990?



I lowered the contrast since the website exaggerated the white too much.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/12 at 8:10am
post #8240 of 28006
Yikes...$450? Is all that's different are the colors? If so, I'd personally just look into getting your regular dt990s professionally painted and maybe buying velour earpad replacements in the color you'd like. It'd be a lot cheaper I'm guessing and will probably look the same for the most part.
post #8241 of 28006
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How are you liking the DT990/32 so far, from the little you've heard?
Also, just get a Fiio E11. That's all the 32ohm will ever need.
However, I'm getting my 250ohm tomorrow. Stay tuned. I'll let you know if it seems weak vs the 32ohm out of the E17, which is comparable to the E11, amp-wise. I probably won't be able to give impressions tomorrow as I'll undoubtedly be sleeping, but this Sunday will definitely be the day I do. We both have a few weeks to return our 990/32.

 

Looked into the E11 last night and this morning.  Everything, including the price, looks good, but I'm a bit concerned about the battery situation.  I don't plan on using the amp as a "portable" solution and the inability to charge and function at the same time seems like it will be a headache.  I know that you have mentioned that the E17 is comparable amp-wise to the E11, but it seems like you're able to disable battery power on that model to function more like a desktop amp - with the lower output impedance that will be able to drive the 32 ohm DT990.

 

Am I crazy to be caught up on the E11 battery situation?  It might be cheap enough to ignore this minor "issue" but wanted to see if others had any thoughts.

post #8242 of 28006
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The E17 works through USB or battery power without having to turn anything off.

As for the MANUFAKTUR, I'm a sucker for customization. I'm literally going to keep the DT990 as my main can, and getting a custom one will make it that much more special and make me not wanna go back to my old ways and sell them.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/12 at 8:49am
post #8243 of 28006
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As far as my SOTD, I change it myself, though I get lazty, lol.
Certain soundcards won't do virtual surround through the RCA out, so you NEED to use the headphone jack into another amp. Not sure which do and which don't. RCA outs tend to be line out, which bypass the virtual surround processing, and you're stuck with stereo. Better to ask those who own said cards whether they do or don't.
Nain, plug your amp to the DSS with a 3.5mm to RCA cable. That's it. As far as volume, I'd actually max out the DSS to make sure you're getting the full resolution of sound. If the volume is too low, you'll lose information and dynamics. However, if the DSS clips at max volume, you may have to lower it a bit. All I know is that I don't have that probem with the two Mixamps I have owned and max them out.
Skullcandy has reach out to me to review a product(s). I wanna say yes, and they do happen to own Astrogaming, so I wonder if they'd send out an A30/A40/A*Star/new Mixamp. Or I wonder if they wanna send out something purely Skullcandy related. They reached out because I defended them on Engadget, as people keep bashing them needlessly when SC has been making great strides with their newer products.
Dunno whether to accept or decline, as I'm not a pro reviewer, and I focus on the gaming aspect of this hobby. frown.gif

Holy Mad!
I had a similar offer to write reviews and articles for cameras, and it was some of the most fun I'd had working. I got paid to do it for Macworld Magazine, so my situation may have been a bit more neutral and "journalistic" than yours, but it was really gratifying to do the review and get feedback. Plus, if you don't like something, it's your chance to influence a very visible company to make some great products! If you don't think your assessment of the early Astro A40s won't turn them off, they might see you with a whole lot more value and respect if you point them to this monster of a thread that you've headed... it really is a powerful argument for respecting your opinion. IMO you've got enough experience to be a pro reviewer, and ppl trust your reviews, you just might want to flesh out what you write if it's focused solely on one product (the short form you have been using works better for your guide).

Also, just wanted to bring back mention of the V-MODA M-100. The pre-order units have shipped, and are getting interesting and favorable reviews, check out this impression on soundstage for example: http://www.head-fi.org/t/592389/v-moda-m-100-discussion-feedback-reviews-pics-etc/7725#post_8772253
post #8244 of 28006
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Looked into the E11 last night and this morning.  Everything, including the price, looks good, but I'm a bit concerned about the battery situation.  I don't plan on using the amp as a "portable" solution and the inability to charge and function at the same time seems like it will be a headache.  I know that you have mentioned that the E17 is comparable amp-wise to the E11, but it seems like you're able to disable battery power on that model to function more like a desktop amp - with the lower output impedance that will be able to drive the 32 ohm DT990.

Am I crazy to be caught up on the E11 battery situation?  It might be cheap enough to ignore this minor "issue" but wanted to see if others had any thoughts.

If you get the E11 from Micca, it comes with a spare battery & external charger. With that, I don't see how you could have a problem. Or just charge it every time you go to sleep, every other day.
post #8245 of 28006
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I dunno, I don't like the V-moda style. It's a bit too aggressive looking for me. Like it's trying too hard. Hell, I'm not a fan of the 990 grills, but black grills would make them less showy. I wish the 990s had the 880 grills with the same sound.
post #8246 of 28006
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I dunno, I don't like the V-moda style. It's a bit too aggressive looking for me. Like it's trying too hard. Hell, I'm not a fan of the 990 grills, but black grills would make them less showy. I wish the 990s had the 880 grills with the same sound.

Well it's all taste of course, I'd say the same about the MANUFAKTR (sp?) beyers. Swappable customization is a helluva lot cheaper with the V-MODAs as well, and you can get custom engravings. I bet you didn't even read any of the feedback or reviews in that thread. But, all that said, I respect that the styling isn't to your taste. IMO they look better in person, thought they were too "bling" from the pictures.

But seriously, no comment about the SC reviewing? Are you worried that you'll be tempted to compromise your opinions?
Edited by Evshrug - 10/12/12 at 9:53am
post #8247 of 28006
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The 250ohm has arrived! I have about 30 minutes to play with them. rolleyes.gif
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Well it's all taste of course, I'd say the same about the MANUFAKTR (sp?) beyers. Swappable customization is a helluva lot cheaper with the V-MODAs as well, and you can get custom engravings. I bet you didn't even read any of the feedback or reviews in that thread. But, all that said, I respect that the styling isn't to your taste. IMO they look better in person, thought they were too "bling" from the pictures.
But seriously, no comment about the SC reviewing? Are you worried that you'll be tempted to compromise your opinions?

No comment about what? Am I worried? No. If they ask me to hold back, I will decline. I will be more professional instead of saying blegh, eww, or AMAZING, BESTEST EVAR. biggrin.gif I will do about as much as what I did for the Pro 900/2900/HE400 (those are my biggest entries). It's a shame I didn't make the other entries as big as those, but that comes with experience, I guess. Hell, the first version of this guide was horrible, IMHO. It looked so rushed.

As for the M100, they have two strikes against it. They're pleather padded, and closed. That is automatic disqualification for my personal interest. Of course, I'd try them if someone sent them to me or whatever, but as far as me personally, they don't do a thing for me.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/12 at 10:08am
post #8248 of 28006
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First impression: DT990/32 vs 250 off the E17...

It's almost impossible to tell, they sound almost identical, like 99%, with the 250ohm winning just a smidge in soundstage, and it's like if I REALLY stressed to hear the difference. They're almost exactly the same, with one exception... the 250ohm on +12 gain at 33 volume, where the 32ohm is at +6 gain at 33 volume.

So yes, the 250ohm needs more power than the 32ohm. Absolutely. However, the 250ohm sounds as dynamic and full as the 32ohm out of the E17. So far so good.

This is an initial impression off one track. Don't take this as a final say.

So far, all I can say is that they're too similar to say one is better than the other really. Like 99% the same, seriously.

I'm gonna have to spend some good time with them.

It's actually quite remarkable how similar they are despite the huge ohm difference. I KNEW the differences were exaggerated on here. I KNEW it came down to what you were hooking them up to. To be honest, as long as you have a decent amp, the 250ohm IS the better choice, as you won't have to worry about an amp's output impedance, has lower distortion (though not noticeable from what I can tell off the 32ohm so far), and may scale with amping more than the 32ohm.

Still, with a portable amp (as well as unamped), the 32ohm is just absolutely fantastic.

edit: Okay, I notice a slight harshness in the 32ohm compared to the 250ohm in the treble. I stress slight. It's like a fine grain that isn't there on the 250ohm. Interesting. Please understand, it's very minute. If I had both of them here, and put them on your head, I'm almost certain you'd have no idea which was which, that's how absurdly close they are to one another. The 250ohm also sounds a LITTLE fuller in the bass. This actually makes the 32ohm sound just a slight bit more detailed in the mids, because there is a hint less bass presence. Again, very small. So far, I'm liking the very subtle extra bass presence on the 250ohm.

Agh, bed time. Tomorrow, I'll be testing it with games. probably the RE6 demo first.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/12/12 at 10:47am
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Ok so in regards to the surround sound processors posted at the bottom of this guide, are those the only ones available to purchase, or are there a lot of other options out there?

 

I'd like to buy the AKG Q701 and use these for gaming on a PS3, but I wanted to know which surround sound processor was best for this purpose.

 

Also if I wanted to voice chat, will that affect or alter the sound coming from the headphones?

I read somewhere that this does happen, so I wanted to see which processor would be best for this purpose.

 

Thanks.

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Ok so in regards to the surround sound processors posted at the bottom of this guide, are those the only ones available to purchase, or are there a lot of other options out there?

I'd like to buy the AKG Q701 and use these for gaming on a PS3, but I wanted to know which surround sound processor was best for this purpose.

Also if I wanted to voice chat, will that affect or alter the sound coming from the headphones?
I read somewhere that this does happen, so I wanted to see which processor would be best for this purpose.

Thanks.

Hi, me again.

The only other surround processors I've heard of are the DSS2, which FWIR aren't as good as the original DSS found dirt-cheap on eBay, and the processor unit bundled with the Tritton (by Madcatz) AX720 headset. For consoles, the Mixamp is regarded the best, and IMO the Recon3D is a good compromise if you want an all-in-one unit for headphone surround without being required to plug your console into a computer soundcard, especially if you see it on sale.

I use my Q701 with my Recon3D to good results, but honestly, if you aren't going for extra amping for a while and just want to play on a console, get the Mixamp (slightly better amp, which may/may not be the reason the Mixamp gives a slightly better rounded soundstage than the Recon3D). New Mixamps are out of stock at the moment, we expect there is a 2013 model on the way with slight changes.

It's kind of a niche market, but as our gaming generation grows up and expands, I bet it'll get bigger.
Edited by Evshrug - 10/12/12 at 11:09am
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