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I like having the boompro over a clip on because I cant stand having to reach for the clip on and dealing with yet another cable from the headphone to the source. Too many cables.Not something you have to deal with the Boompro. However, if you're ok dealing with an extra cable, a clip on is more than fine. I still use my DX mic whenever I'm reviewing a headphone without a mic/not able to use the Boompro.

I've been using actual gaming headsets for years, so this is all new to me. I'll have to connect the mic through the controller anyway so a clip can be an option. ( I have a ps4 clip on mic that could work for now )

I'm still confused on which headset to buy tho.

The 558 has similar specs to the a40s. The 598s are sold out everywhere.

Can't find any specs on the monster dna.

The momentum over ears are in stock tho but @ $300.
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For people who have used the ModMic, aside from the price, are there any real disadvantages of using modmic over some clip-on mic? Build quality or sq?

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Guys, think about it. How many people that you game with actually use high quality headphones to tell the difference in sound quality from your mic?

Unless you have a dedicated gaming channel with fans and such, the importance of sound quality from a mic is being overblown.
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The K712s mids are a tad recessed, they are good mids though. The bass extends quite deep and with the right pairing has plenty of body and presence. Some headphones with more midrange presence are the K612, HD 600, and HD 650. I think you will really appreciate the beauty, tonality, and depth of the vocals both female and male from the HD 600 and HD 650.

Thanks kman!
This makes me even more excited to try out my father in law's hd650 tomorrow.
I've read that hd650 scales immensely with amps (and that the fabled sennheiser veil can be attributed to inadequate amount). However, it's been hard to find a consensus pairing for the hd650 with a budget amp (around $200 or so). I've read some good things about the o2, lyr, and m stage.

Do you have any recommendations? My use would probably be 50% gaming and 50% music.
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Thanks kman!
This makes me even more excited to try out my father in law's hd650 tomorrow.
I've read that hd650 scales immensely with amps (and that the fabled sennheiser veil can be attributed to inadequate amount). However, it's been hard to find a consensus pairing for the hd650 with a budget amp (around $200 or so). I've read some good things about the o2, lyr, and m stage.

Do you have any recommendations? My use would probably be 50% gaming and 50% music.


I hope you really enjoy the headphone. The HD 650 took some time for me to appreciate but it also took me a while to figure out what I want in a headphone despite being able to audition so many heaphones. I always thought the Sennheiser veil was a bit overblown. I'm personally not a big Senn fan overall, I only really like the HD 600 family. I heard good things about it on the Valhalla 1/2, Project Ember, Asgard 2, and a few others.

 

Well for a gaming and music package wrapped all in one, I would personally suggest looking at AKGs K6xx and K7xx offerings, the K712 probably being the best choice overall but also most expensive. While the HD 650 is better than these for pure music listening overall in my opinion, I've read it suffers a bit with imaging in gaming. I haven't gamed with the HD 650 before, but if it's like my HD 545(a predecessor of the HD 650) with surround sound gaming, I can understand why it's iffy with surround sound gaming.


Edited by kman1211 - 7/26/14 at 1:12am
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Not sure if this has been asked before somewhere in the 1661 pages of this thread, but does anybody have experience with IEM's for gaming? Specifically I play Counter Strike: Global Offensive competitively and I'd love to pick up a good set of IEM's that would still be good for positional audio, while being able to kill it with my music as well. I'd prefer it to have a mic, but that isn't necessarily a requirement, as generally I assume those are marketed toward phones, and would be lower quality. My budget would be hard capped at $200, soft cap at $150, and preferably something that didn't need to be amplified.

 

On a side note, are there any USB sound cards that aren't terrible for music listening? Possibly with a headphone amp built in? I'd prefer it had both mic and headphone port, but again, not a deal breaker. 

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Not sure if this has been asked before somewhere in the 1661 pages of this thread, but does anybody have experience with IEM's for gaming? Specifically I play Counter Strike: Global Offensive competitively and I'd love to pick up a good set of IEM's that would still be good for positional audio, while being able to kill it with my music as well. I'd prefer it to have a mic, but that isn't necessarily a requirement, as generally I assume those are marketed toward phones, and would be lower quality. My budget would be hard capped at $200, soft cap at $150, and preferably something that didn't need to be amplified.

 

On a side note, are there any USB sound cards that aren't terrible for music listening? Possibly with a headphone amp built in? I'd prefer it had both mic and headphone port, but again, not a deal breaker. 

Soundblaster Omni. Everything You need.

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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post
 

For people who have used the ModMic, aside from the price, are there any real disadvantages of using modmic over some clip-on mic? Build quality or sq?

 

The Modmic is quite a nice product overall. The biggest disadvantages to it are the price and the fact that you have to attach the magnetic base to the headphones themselves. I've had 2 bases pop off from my Q701 due to heavy use. But the Modmic's sound is nice and clear and the boom positioning was exceptional. But is it worth 20x more than a clip-on mic? That's entirely up to you. The Modmic is $50 and clip-on mics can be had for around $2.50, that's a gigantic price difference.

 

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Originally Posted by iBurley View Post
 

Not sure if this has been asked before somewhere in the 1661 pages of this thread, but does anybody have experience with IEM's for gaming? Specifically I play Counter Strike: Global Offensive competitively and I'd love to pick up a good set of IEM's that would still be good for positional audio, while being able to kill it with my music as well. I'd prefer it to have a mic, but that isn't necessarily a requirement, as generally I assume those are marketed toward phones, and would be lower quality. My budget would be hard capped at $200, soft cap at $150, and preferably something that didn't need to be amplified.

 

On a side note, are there any USB sound cards that aren't terrible for music listening? Possibly with a headphone amp built in? I'd prefer it had both mic and headphone port, but again, not a deal breaker. 

 

Change is Good uses Sony XBAH3 IEM for gaming and I use the 1964 Ears 1964-Q. Both have excellent positional queues (for IEMs) when gaming and they're both excellent when it comes to music reproduction. Unfortunately both come in over your budget. You could check out the Soundstage Head Club to find some IEMs with nice big soundstages that could work well for gaming and fall within your budget.

 

As for USB sound cards, I'd personally recommend getting 2 devices if you can swing it with your budget. You can pick up the ASUS U3 for gaming (Dolby Heapdhone) and a small USB DAC like the HiFiMeDIY DAC for about $80 total. Buying something second hand or a less expensive DAC could save you even more. But if you're on a tighter budget the U3 doesn't sound terrible by itself. It's fairly capable for music listening. $30 after rebate on Amazon currently. They seem to always have a rebate active on that card.

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So I got to audition some headphones today at my father-in-law's.  He's a big Sennheiser fan, so he had his old HD545, his newer HD650, his Momentums (for work) and Sennheiser IEM (not sure which model).  I also brought over my HP100 with 1540 pads so we could compare.  He was quite impressed by the HP100 and seemed to enjoy the sound better than the Momentums for closed headphones.  I also found the Momentum Over-Ears to be incredibly small... my ears still fit within the ear pads (BARELY) but even though the headphones were quite light, I felt they weighed down on the top of my ears.  They definitely were not comfortable for my head so that made me even more happy with my HP100 purchase.

 

For the open headphones, I was impressed by the "airiness" of the HD650.  I now see what people talk about in terms of the open headphone soundstage.  The HP100 were already so  much airier than my previous closed headphones, so I wasn't sure how open headphones would improve on it... well after trying the HD650, going back to the HP100 made music sound almost TOO close to my ears.  I guess they sounded more like "headphones" again while the HD650 sounded like I was hearing music in a room.  I might be wrong, but I felt the HD650 had better bass as well, though the mids were not as prominent.  My father in law says he prefers instrumental music like classical and jazz anyway so he's not too worried about mids.  It's not that the HD650 had recessed mids, but I felt at least they weren't as clear as my HP100.

 

Well, although I liked most of the sound better than my HP100 (with a couple caveats), the real nail in the coffin against the HD650 was the build quality and comfort.  For a pair of headphones that often sells for $350-400, I felt like these cans were flimsy and brittle - even my HP100 felt like they were made of better parts!  The HD650 definitely exhibited tighter clamp on my ears, so the comfort wasn't there for me either.  I didn't think it was that bad, and I could probably have still worn them for an hour with no problem, but if I am paying $3-400 for a good set of open ear headphones, I am hoping for at least comparable comfort to my HP100.  I also would hope to expect good build quality - not in terms of aesthetics as that can definitely be in the eye of the beholder (although I do think the HD650 are ugly, I like the look of the HE-400 though others find them too utilitarian), I would hope the headphones don't feel so "plasticky" :/

 

So my search for new open headphones continues.  Someone in my neighborhood on Craigslist was willing to sell his HD650 for $300 today and I turned him down, even though I thought that was a good deal.  The K712 are now at the top of my list, and I'm still intrigued by the HE-400i (hopefully they will come down in price within a year).  I know Change highly recommends the HP200, but since I already have the HP100 for closed headphones, I want something a bit different with a more distinct sound signature for my open pair.

 

Sorry for the rambling, thank you for reading my impressions and thoughts on the Sennheisers.  Hopefully I didn't sound TOO negative as they did *sound* very good to me; I just left wanting better build and comfort among other things when I'm paying that much money.

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For the open headphones, I was impressed by the "airiness" of the HD650. I now see what people talk about in terms of the open headphone soundstage.
Heh heh heh, if you think you had it good now, wait till you hear a top-tier AKG...

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I might be wrong, but I felt the HD650 had better bass as well, though the mids were not as prominent.  My father in law says he prefers instrumental music like classical and jazz anyway so he's not too worried about mids.
SHOCKED!

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It's not that the HD650 had recessed mids, but I felt at least they weren't as clear as my HP100.
Shock!
I'm not going to dispute what you heard, it's just that from everything I've read the HD650 has rather prominent yet lush/full/magical mids that steal the show for this headphone. I've totally lost my bearing on what the HP100 sounds like relative to other headphones, other than the treble is pretty clear but also pretty prominent.
One thing I will say about the DT880, it's aesthetically very pleasing to my eyes, and has the most shiny metal of the classic "flagship" trio. I also find them superbly comfortable. I didn't recommend it to you because the mids aren't the forefront and it's a pretty "dry" headphone sound, but they are very clean and clear (and so is everything else).

I wonder what you would think of the K702, with and without the (simple) bass mod.
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SHOCKED!
Shock!
I'm not going to dispute what you heard, it's just that from everything I've read the HD650 has rather prominent yet lush/full/magical mids that steal the show for this headphone. I've totally lost my bearing on what the HP100 sounds like relative to other headphones, other than the treble is pretty clear but also pretty prominent.
One thing I will say about the DT880, it's aesthetically very pleasing to my eyes, and has the most shiny metal of the classic "flagship" trio. I also find them superbly comfortable. I didn't recommend it to you because the mids aren't the forefront and it's a pretty "dry" headphone sound, but they are very clean and clear (and so is everything else).

I wonder what you would think of the K702, with and without the (simple) bass mod.

Yeah I read from MLE and others that the HD 650 has incredible mids but I guess I didn't hear that in my limited testing.  It might have to do with his amping maybe, because he didn't have anything fancy for it (Audio Engine DAC/Amp I think).  Then again, I am new at this so I definitely may have misunderstood "mids" or "treble" or whatever; it just seemed like vocals were a bit muffled to me.  I could be completely off base here though.

 

Thanks for the DT880 suggestion.  I do really like how most Beyerdynamic headphones look, and I've heard they are some of the most comfortable phones on the market at that price.  However, I think I would like some with more bass and mids than the DT 880, which is why I'm looking at K712 and possibly Fidelio X1 now (though I *really* would prefer a headphone with replaceable ear pads, so I'm curious if the X2 fixes that oversight).

 

My friend in China told me that there are Oppo stores all over there (I didn't know Oppo was based in China).  I've read nothing but good things about the Oppo PM-1, so I would LOVE to try those out when we move there.  Planar magnetics + comfort sounds wonderful to me :)

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So I got to audition some headphones today at my father-in-law's.  He's a big Sennheiser fan, so he had his old HD545, his newer HD650, his Momentums (for work) and Sennheiser IEM (not sure which model).  I also brought over my HP100 with 1540 pads so we could compare.  He was quite impressed by the HP100 and seemed to enjoy the sound better than the Momentums for closed headphones.  I also found the Momentum Over-Ears to be incredibly small... my ears still fit within the ear pads (BARELY) but even though the headphones were quite light, I felt they weighed down on the top of my ears.  They definitely were not comfortable for my head so that made me even more happy with my HP100 purchase.

 

For the open headphones, I was impressed by the "airiness" of the HD650.  I now see what people talk about in terms of the open headphone soundstage.  The HP100 were already so  much airier than my previous closed headphones, so I wasn't sure how open headphones would improve on it... well after trying the HD650, going back to the HP100 made music sound almost TOO close to my ears.  I guess they sounded more like "headphones" again while the HD650 sounded like I was hearing music in a room.  I might be wrong, but I felt the HD650 had better bass as well, though the mids were not as prominent.  My father in law says he prefers instrumental music like classical and jazz anyway so he's not too worried about mids.  It's not that the HD650 had recessed mids, but I felt at least they weren't as clear as my HP100.

 

Well, although I liked most of the sound better than my HP100 (with a couple caveats), the real nail in the coffin against the HD650 was the build quality and comfort.  For a pair of headphones that often sells for $350-400, I felt like these cans were flimsy and brittle - even my HP100 felt like they were made of better parts!  The HD650 definitely exhibited tighter clamp on my ears, so the comfort wasn't there for me either.  I didn't think it was that bad, and I could probably have still worn them for an hour with no problem, but if I am paying $3-400 for a good set of open ear headphones, I am hoping for at least comparable comfort to my HP100.  I also would hope to expect good build quality - not in terms of aesthetics as that can definitely be in the eye of the beholder (although I do think the HD650 are ugly, I like the look of the HE-400 though others find them too utilitarian), I would hope the headphones don't feel so "plasticky" :/

 

So my search for new open headphones continues.  Someone in my neighborhood on Craigslist was willing to sell his HD650 for $300 today and I turned him down, even though I thought that was a good deal.  The K712 are now at the top of my list, and I'm still intrigued by the HE-400i (hopefully they will come down in price within a year).  I know Change highly recommends the HP200, but since I already have the HP100 for closed headphones, I want something a bit different with a more distinct sound signature for my open pair.

 

Sorry for the rambling, thank you for reading my impressions and thoughts on the Sennheisers.  Hopefully I didn't sound TOO negative as they did *sound* very good to me; I just left wanting better build and comfort among other things when I'm paying that much money.


I do have to agree about the feel of them, they do feel a bit cheap and plasticy and the clamp is a bit much but you get used to it. The K712 feels much better made than the HD 650 imo. The impressions of the sound are quite a bit different from my experience but I likely heard them on a very different system which can easily attribute to the difference between our impressions, I heard them only on tube amps. Although it took multiple auditions and different systems for me to start appreciating them and realizing how well they scale up, let's just say I wasn't a fan when I first heard them, I thought they were boring at first. Do you know if it was a new or old HD 650? The new and old ones do sound different. The newer HD 650 sounds clearer, brighter, more detailed and dynamic, and midrange oriented. The older one is a bit veiled sounding, more laid-back, bassier but has less sub-bass, darker highs, and has less detail and clarity. The new one has a white film over the driver which can be seen from the earcups and the old ones have a black film over the driver. Did you listen to the HD 545?


Edited by kman1211 - 7/26/14 at 8:59pm
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Imac2much, when I had the HP100, the Q701 was my open headphone. So, Q701/K702 all the way if I were you.


Edited by Change is Good - 7/27/14 at 1:36am
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@Mad Lust Envy 

Finally got around to reading the 15g review, awesome write up. Glad to see you enjoy them, I still use mine everyday. Just wanted to let you know that you can lightly heat up the earpads with a hair dryer or just leave them in a stuffy room and they can be peeled off quite easily. The adhesive is pretty forgiving and you can stick it back onto the cups with no problems, I've taken mine off a few times now to clean out stray hairs. You should have a spare pair of earpads in the HS15 box too :)

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The Destiny Beta ended, now what am I gonna do with my liiiife? Lol jk. Side note, I love watching Star Wars (yeah even the new ones) with my virtual surround and nice headphones, it's a really exciting experience and I have zero worry about bothering someone else biggrin.gif
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