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post #24391 of 27966

You got it wrong.

 

PS4 has AMD APIs and the hardware DSP for hardware-level processing, however there hasn't been a single game that is being mixed or developed this way yet. There ware some ramblings about Sony trademarking some names for use with their products (not nessasarily justthe  PS4, which many got their pants wet over nothing), this could mean the ability to just enable virtual surround with a flick of an option button.

 

Then again, the only game that has been released with AMD's TrueAudio is Thief on the PC and that sucked horribly (or is there another now?). So... yeah, whatever. We're still at a state where virtual surround isn't a thing for the vast majority.

post #24392 of 27966

Damn, and here I thought I can have virtual surround without relying on dolby digital.

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Originally Posted by grumpy1471 View Post

Hey guys,

Any solid recommendations for closed back, over the ear headphones? I'm looking into some good headphones for portable gaming and music use. I'm not sure as to which closed headphones will have a good enough soundstage while still being great for music. I'm looking into foldable headphones for portability.

So far, the V-Moda M100, PSB M4U 1 or 2 and Mad Dogs seem pretty decent.

 

I tried the Denon AH-D600, the Mad Dog 3.2 with Alpha Pads and the SoundMAGIC HP100 before I settled on the HP100.  The sound signature is really similar to that of the Q701, but you know... closed instead of open (smaller SS, more bass, etc).  They're super easy to drive, they come with a nice case and a removable cable too.  I got a refurb for $135 shipped and at that price it's a no-brainer.  Fantastic headphones!

 

Note:  I've never gamed with them yet!  I'll have to do it at some point so I can stop saying that...

post #24394 of 27966

I've used a lot of different virtual surroud sound software and listened to a lot of binaural audio. I've come to the conclusion that IEMs are the best for gaming due to sharper imaging than full sized open headphones. Most notably imaging in front of the head is better which is the hardest part to localise sounds.

 

I'm currently using the Etymotic ER-4PT and the only full sized headphones that have come close to that level of sharpness in imaging is the Sennheiser HD800. While full sized headphones sound 'airy' that isn't as important for competitive gaming where the position of sounds is more important. Another important aspect is the sound isolation that IEMs bring is amazing for LAN events, tournaments and their small size means they are really portable. I use a Giant Squid Lavalier Omni mic and just clip it on to my shirt.

 

My personal opinion is that the best full sized gaming headphones are the Sennheiser HD800 (possibly SR-009 too) and the best IEMs for competitive gaming are the Etymotic (HF5 and ER-4PT). No doubt there are CIEMs that are even better but I don't have the disposable income to test them.

 

 

I would recommend the HF5 simply because it measures almost identically to the Etymotic ER-4P and is considerably cheaper. The benefit of the Etymotic ER-4PT is that the drivers are matched to each other but that isn't really worth it to me.

 

ER-4S is as detailed as the ER-4P but the ER-4S is brighter. This may mean the ER-4S is better for competitive gaming because there is little useful information in bass but that would also mean it is less fun.

 

I'd recommend that MadLustEnvy does a review with the Etymotic HF5 and expands out into IEMs.

 


 

On another point I'd say that using virtual surround extensively with music listening will improve your ability to localise sounds in front of your head. At first I used to have a huge amount of trouble localising sounds in this area but after listening for such a long time I can now localise sounds much better. However, if you switch to another pair of IEMs with a different frequency response you will no longer be able to localise sounds in front of your head anywhere near as well.

 

What this means is that you should find the Virtual Surround Sound software you like, set it up as you like and stick to the same pair of IEMs for a long time. If you constantly switch between IEMs you're going to find this much harder to do.


Edited by Dreyka - 7/7/14 at 3:29pm
post #24395 of 27966
Thread Starter 
It'll be a cold day in hell when I expand to IEMs, no offense. I hate IEMs.
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It'll be a cold day in hell when I expand to IEMs, no offense. I hate IEMs.

Don't like things poking you in the ear, huh? tongue.gif
post #24397 of 27966
Thread Starter 
Lol, no. That and I hate how closed they sound. I'm not a fan of closed cans in general,m and IEMs makes things even worse. I know there are exceptions, but I don't care enough to find out.
post #24398 of 27966
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Lol, no. That and I hate how closed they sound. I'm not a fan of closed cans in general,m and IEMs makes things even worse. I know there are exceptions, but I don't care enough to find out.

I'll just send my sonys with the HP200 whenever you're ready wink.gif
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Hey guys,

I'm from Brazil, here we don't have as many options as you guys from Europe or USA... I did a research around the stores here and I found these over-ear options:

 

- AKG K240 MKII for R$499,00

- Sennheiser HD558 for R$679,00

- Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro for R$749,00

- Sennheiser HD598 for R$949,00

- AKG Q701 for R$1059,00

- Sennheiser HD600 for R$1399,00

 

Based on price (since I want budget-wise solution) what would be the best option? I'm looking for a solid all-rounder gaming headphone, not concerned with competition gaming but aiming for immersion. You can make your own suggestions, of course, but I'll need to search for them here in Brazil. :(

 

EDIT: Price correction.


Edited by wabithewarlord - 7/8/14 at 12:20am
post #24400 of 27966
Think you'd enjoy the JVC FX850s sound quite a bit. Huge sound stage and vented is very far from a closed sound.
I should send them your way and pop that IEM cher...you know😁. @Mad Lust Envy
Edited by Kamakahah - 7/7/14 at 8:38pm
post #24401 of 27966
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Lol, no. That and I hate how closed they sound. I'm not a fan of closed cans in general,m and IEMs makes things even worse. I know there are exceptions, but I don't care enough to find out.

I find that IEMs are just not all that great. They're good for some music listening when I don't want to carry my M80s around and a heck of a lot better for when I'm laying down as I tend to lay on my side but otherwise, they're not all that great. My GR07 Bass Editions are quite enjoyable for EDM and such played from my phone when I'm not at home.

IEMs tend to strain my ears a bit when I'm listening. For gaming, I would recommend against anything with harshness as gunshots will be really hard on the ears. I don't find that IEMs have much soundstage at all and gaming competitively is just torture with in ears because it's hard to hear where sounds are coming from.

Comfort is bad with IEMs for me. My ears can get itchy, irritated, sore, etc when I wear them for a while. I can never find the best tips for my GR07s. Silicone gives off the best sound but doesn't isolate much and isn't too comfortable whereas comply foams just completely ruin the sound. I'm also a clean freak so I have to clean the insides of my ears before I use IEMs so that I won't have to clean them later.

For some reason, when I wear in ears and I'm watching a YouTube video in which someone is talking, my ears tend to... seize up or something. Not even sure how to describe it but it's like my ears are trying to block out noise and it's kind of worrisome.

Tl;dr IEMs are okay for some situations but overall aren't worth the discomfort for me.
Edited by grumpy1471 - 7/7/14 at 10:20pm
post #24402 of 27966
Oh and for some reason, yesterday was my first time in a while playing CoD: Ghosts with my K712s. It was surprising how well I did with the god mode sound whoring. I managed to get over a 5 K/D for a few matches in Cranked before calling it a night.

I hate Ghosts but I can sustain a 2 K/D and can usually dominate most people in the game so I continue to play it. Even when I dominate, I never seem to have a good time playing but the satisfaction of kicking online butt is enough to keep me going.
Edited by grumpy1471 - 7/7/14 at 10:28pm
post #24403 of 27966
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Originally Posted by wabithewarlord View Post
 

Hey guys,

I'm from Brazil, here we don't have as many options as you guys from Europe or USA... I did a research around the stores here and I found these over-ear options:

 

- AKG Q701 for R$1059,00

- AKG K240 MKII for R$499,00

- Sennheiser HD558 for R$479,00

- Sennheiser HD598 for R$949,00

- Sennheiser HD600 for R$1399,00

- Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro for R$749,00

 

Based on price (since I want budget-wise solution) what would be the best option? I'm looking for a solid all-rounder gaming headphone, not concerned with competition gaming but aiming for immersion. You can make your own suggestions, of course, but I'll need to search for them here in Brazil. :(

People seem to really like the HD558 and it's the cheapest on your list.  I see no reason to spend more on something else given your criteria.

post #24404 of 27966

Sorry, I've made a mistake, the price for HD558 is R$679,00, not R$479,00. Does the K240 have a good soundstage for it's price range?

post #24405 of 27966
Quote:
Originally Posted by wabithewarlord View Post
 

Hey guys,

I'm from Brazil, here we don't have as many options as you guys from Europe or USA... I did a research around the stores here and I found these over-ear options:

 

- AKG K240 MKII for R$499,00

- Sennheiser HD558 for R$679,00

- Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro for R$749,00

- Sennheiser HD598 for R$949,00

- AKG Q701 for R$1059,00

- Sennheiser HD600 for R$1399,00

 

Based on price (since I want budget-wise solution) what would be the best option? I'm looking for a solid all-rounder gaming headphone, not concerned with competition gaming but aiming for immersion. You can make your own suggestions, of course, but I'll need to search for them here in Brazil. :(

 

EDIT: Price correction.

558 will be fine

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