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Nothing too fancy, just a cheap retermination for a detachable cable. The hanging entry is longer than I anticipated, but its best so it won't always be rubbing against the cup....

 


Edited by Change is Good - 2/26/14 at 2:38pm
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Pretty...

On another note, I've hooked up my Yamaha again. First, the amp in this is pretty nice... Not detecting any treble fatigue in my k712's (with Q701 pads) and power delivery is smooth. Well, sometimes it seems like the bass is clipping a little... But that could just be the downloadable Guardians of Light. Halo: Reach is as good as I remembered this way, with my now-knowledge of Dolby Headphone it does indeed sound very similar, though the "standard" movie DSP has a bit more reverb and basically is what I'd imagine DH mode 3 to be like. You can adjust the strength of Silent Cinema's surround effect, so it's like a more granular adjustment between DH Mode 1, 2, and 3. Very much a "Dolby headphone" clone. Haven't fiddled with every single setting yet. For example, I wonder what happens if I apply Dolby Pro llz to a 5.1 DDL signal?

The most evident thing, however, was getting used to the TV here... It's a 55" LED 3D "Smart TV" by Panasonic, I turned on game mode and as many enhancements as I could to "off;" I can't actually "see" a delay, I just can't pull off the super-fast aim adjustments as frequently as I could using a VGA cable to my monitor. It's also hard to understate the effect of going from sitting in front of a 20" monitor to trying to find the optimal distance (sitting on a table, lol) to take in a 55" screen and not be overwhelmed by the sheer scale of what you're taking in. It definitely has intensely good picture quality though. Call me weird... but I may have to switch to my smaller 42" plasma, once I get that set up (somewhere).
Edited by Evshrug - 2/26/14 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

Just got my K612s back....

 

Put some K702 pads on em that I ordered while they were gone... and man...

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
DAT BASS!!!

Really? Does it screw with anything else? plus, what material are they?

 

 

Gingo's, the 612 with more bass would be orgasmic.


Edited by motorwayne - 2/26/14 at 3:04pm
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Really? Does it screw with anything else? plus, what material are they?

 

 

Gingo's, the 612 with more bass would be orgasmic.

 

The soundstage is significantly wider, which is a plus considering the enhanced bass. The K702 pads are made of the same material, just thicker and angled.

 

I was going to go for the memory foam pads of the K712/Annie, but am glad I didn't. They may end up TOO bassy/warm with those... since they add more bass to the signature and reduce the soundstage when compared to the angled pads.

 

Edit: And oh, by the way, to those MA900 owners who would like they're cable reterminated for a detachable 3.5mm option (for the BoomPro)... @Zombie_X said he'd be willing to do it for a reasonable price.


Edited by Change is Good - 2/26/14 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Pretty...

On another note, I've hooked up my Yamaha again. First, the amp in this is pretty nice... Not detecting any treble fatigue in my k712's (with Q701 pads) and power delivery is smooth. Well, sometimes it seems like the bass is clipping a little... But that could just be the downloadable Guardians of Light. Halo: Reach is as good as I remembered this way, with my now-knowledge of Dolby Headphone it does indeed sound very similar, though the "standard" movie DSP has a bit more reverb and basically is what I'd imagine DH mode 3 to be like. You can adjust the strength of Silent Cinema's surround effect, so it's like a more granular adjustment between DH Mode 1, 2, and 3. Very much a "Dolby headphone" clone. Haven't fiddled with every single setting yet. For example, I wonder what happens if I apply Dolby Pro llz to a 5.1 DDL signal?

The most evident thing, however, was getting used to the TV here... It's a 55" LED 3D "Smart TV" by Panasonic, I turned on game mode and as many enhancements as I could to "off;" I can't actually "see" a delay, I just can't pull off the super-fast aim adjustments as frequently as I could using a VGA cable to my monitor. It's also hard to understate the effect of going from sitting in front of a 20" monitor to trying to find the optimal distance (sitting on a table, lol) to take in a 55" screen and not be overwhelmed by the sheer scale of what you're taking in. It definitely has intensely good picture quality though. Call me weird... but I may have to switch to my smaller 42" plasma, once I get that set up (somewhere).
I used to play on a 47'' tv. (Cod) I was like a 1.2 player. I bought a 24'' gaming monitor and I'm a 2 k/d player. When you stretch 1080p over 30'',it creates input lag. Your better off on a monitor. Something that's 5ms or lower.
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Good news for Xbox One users. Dolby Digital 5.1 over Optical is being added in the upcoming March system update. So us headset users with Mixamps can finally get the proper DD 5.1 signal.

Anyone get invited to preview the March update?
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I used to play on a 47'' tv. (Cod) I was like a 1.2 player. I bought a 24'' gaming monitor and I'm a 2 k/d player. When you stretch 1080p over 30'',it creates input lag. Your better off on a monitor. Something that's 5ms or lower.
I agree. Probably less critical if I wasn't playing halo SWAT, which is crazy-fast (most kills are 1-shot, unless both players are aware of each other and dodging already). Even just getting adjusted to a large set feels weird, I had to lower my sensitivity.

I don't necessarily think it's the larger panel creating more input lag, at least by itself, I think the input lag comes from the "image enhancing" extra features which are great for movies & TV (but not for interaction).

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The soundstage is significantly wider, which is a plus considering the enhanced bass. The K702 pads are made of the same material, just thicker and angled.

I was going to go for the memory foam pads of the K712/Annie, but am glad I didn't. They may end up TOO bassy/warm with those... since they add more bass to the signature and reduce the soundstage when compared to the angled pads.

Edit: And oh, by the way, to those MA900 owners who would like they're cable reterminated for a detachable 3.5mm option (for the BoomPro)... @Zombie_X
 said he'd be willing to do it for a reasonable price.

I almost always felt my Q701 had plenty of bass. Maybe it was because my pads had melded to my headshape, but the first time I compared Q701 then K712, I felty the Q701 had MORE bass (though the K712 was tighter and more refined). Just a smudge though. And with the Q701 pads on my K712, I can't tell you the change just based off of memory.

Good to know that it'll be relatively easy for people that have single-ended cable headphones will have an option to have a tidy setup. Does the mic reach a good position for you, since it starts lower? I also feel the ModMic and lapel mic solutions cause negligible wire tangles, but I guess that's an opinion.
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I agree. Probably less critical if I wasn't playing halo SWAT, which is crazy-fast (most kills are 1-shot, unless both players are aware of each other and dodging already). Even just getting adjusted to a large set feels weird, I had to lower my sensitivity.

I don't necessarily think it's the larger panel creating more input lag, at least by itself, I think the input lag comes from the "image enhancing" extra features which are great for movies & TV (but not for interaction).
I almost always felt my Q701 had plenty of bass. Maybe it was because my pads had melded to my headshape, but the first time I compared Q701 then K712, I felty the Q701 had MORE bass (though the K712 was tighter and more refined). Just a smudge though. And with the Q701 pads on my K712, I can't tell you the change just based off of memory.

Good to know that it'll be relatively easy for people that have single-ended cable headphones will have an option to have a tidy setup. Does the mic reach a good position for you, since it starts lower? I also feel the ModMic and lapel mic solutions cause negligible wire tangles, but I guess that's an opinion.

Nah, I opted for a mini XLR input like the other AKGs. These have to be plugged into an amp so I passed on the 3.5mm option for the BoomPro.

I have my extra K702 cable tied together with my mic cable using bread ties... and the K612 cable was cut and reterminated to 5.5ft for use at my desk.
Edited by Change is Good - 2/26/14 at 4:39pm
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I agree. Probably less critical if I wasn't playing halo SWAT, which is crazy-fast (most kills are 1-shot, unless both players are aware of each other and dodging already). Even just getting adjusted to a large set feels weird, I had to lower my sensitivity.

I don't necessarily think it's the larger panel creating more input lag, at least by itself, I think the input lag comes from the "image enhancing" extra features which are great for movies & TV (but not for interaction).

Sounds like you've probably already considered this, but make sure you run your HDMI direct to the TV rather than through the AVR.  Sometimes AVR's can add noticeable lag.

 

Can you just confirm that you think the Yamaha Silent Cinema is pretty similar to Dolby Headphone?  I need to upgrade my AVR since I don't have HDMI switching in my old one, but I can't find any new ones with DH.  I can't find any solid info on how the HK Surround and Silent Cinema compare to DH since it's hard to capture those to Youtube.

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So I was going to get the AKG Q701 but found out that it doesn't work with the Vmoda BoomPro so I was wondering what is the best headphones for gaming under $200. I only play on the PC and usually its CSGO or some other shooters. Looking for some that are compatible with Vmoda BoomPro. Thanks for your time and this great guide.

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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

 

The soundstage is significantly wider, which is a plus considering the enhanced bass. The K702 pads are made of the same material, just thicker and angled.

 

I was going to go for the memory foam pads of the K712/Annie, but am glad I didn't. They may end up TOO bassy/warm with those... since they add more bass to the signature and reduce the soundstage when compared to the angled pads.

 

Ha! I've put an order in at the local AKG agent for a pair of the K702 pads, might take a while but what the heck, sounds legit.

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Sounds like you've probably already considered this, but make sure you run your HDMI direct to the TV rather than through the AVR.  Sometimes AVR's can add noticeable lag.

Can you just confirm that you think the Yamaha Silent Cinema is pretty similar to Dolby Headphone?  I need to upgrade my AVR since I don't have HDMI switching in my old one, but I can't find any new ones with DH.  I can't find any solid info on how the HK Surround and Silent Cinema compare to DH since it's hard to capture those to Youtube.
Yeah, HDMI to TV and optical to AVR.

I have two Dolby Headphone devices (Turtle Beach DSS v1, Astro Mixamp 5.8), a THX TrueStudio Pro device (Recon3D USB), an SBX Pro Studio device (Sound Blaster Omni, used to have an internal Z card), and I can confirm that Silent Cinema is most like Dolby Headphone. You probably will notice reverb for rear sound cues, but it does a good job of creating imaging.

I don't claim to know everything... right now I can't get my Xbox 360 to play a DVD movie, could be a lot of factors. However, I try to share my experiences and opinions, see my "If I knew then..." link in my signature. Thanks for suggestions!
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So I was going to get the AKG Q701 but found out that it doesn't work with the Vmoda BoomPro so I was wondering what is the best headphones for gaming under $200. I only play on the PC and usually its CSGO or some other shooters. Looking for some that are compatible with Vmoda BoomPro. Thanks for your time and this great guide.

The BoomPro is good, but hardly should be considered your only option. You can get three clip-on lapel mics, that do very well, for less than $5, and the cable could just be wound around the headphone cable for tidiness OR just run straight to the controller... The cable isn't so long that it creates a spaghetti mess.

If you want a headphone with great imaging and smoother treble so that the snap of your own guns in CS:GO don't make your ears tired quickly (I have a friend whose ears start waxing up if he plays CS:GO with cheap headphones), I highly recommend Sony's MA900 as a great choice. Also good with music, but the Q701 has the energy to IMO make a more interesting all-arounder.
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@Stillhart,
PS, I am not rich, I've just been at this for two years and accumulated stuff. The TV belongs to my roommate, I just had to try it out wink.gif
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Originally Posted by motorwayne View Post
 

Ha! I've put an order in at the local AKG agent for a pair of the K702 pads, might take a while but what the heck, sounds legit.

 

:beerchug:

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