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After reading this guide and The Nameless PC Gaming Audio guide I have come to the conclusion that I do really want to invest in a good gaming headphone and I at least have a decent clue where to start.  I have about $300 dollars to spend (350 max) and don't really want to go over.  I also don't have a sound card and I don't have room for one either (PCI-E slot blocked by 2nd GPU).  I was at first leaning towards external sound cards like Asus Xonar U7 but I think that I can do better for cheaper with a decent DAC/AMP like FiiO E10 and virtual surround sound software (i.e. Razer Synapse 2.0). Im a huge gamer and split time better FPS and MMOs.  Ive been stalking this website for about 3 weeks and see that the members are extremely knowledgeable and helpful. 

 

[Edit]: From what I can discern I am leaning towards the AKG Q701 ($200) with a FiiO E10 or a Sennheiser PC 360 ($166) with an additional DAC/AMP.  Again, as much as I would love a sound card at this point, I don't have any room in the case.


Edited by Thewreck13 - 1/24/14 at 6:17am
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Mixamp Pro 2011, put up on head-fi for $55 total. Looking for US buyers first, so hit me up if interested. never been used, just opened the box to take the A30s (a disappointment anyways).
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Originally Posted by Thewreck13 View Post
 

After reading this guide and The Nameless PC Gaming Audio guide I have come to the conclusion that I do really want to invest in a good gaming headphone and I at least have a decent clue where to start.  I have about $300 dollars to spend (350 max) and don't really want to go over.  I also don't have a sound card and I don't have room for one either (PCI-E slot blocked by 2nd GPU).  I was at first leaning towards external sound cards like Asus Xonar U7 but I think that I can do better for cheaper with a decent DAC/AMP like FiiO E10 and virtual surround sound software (i.e. Razer Synapse 2.0). Im a huge gamer and split time better FPS and MMOs.  Ive been stalking this website for about 3 weeks and see that the members are extremely knowledgeable and helpful. 

 

[Edit]: From what I can discern I am leaning towards the AKG Q701 ($200) with a FiiO E10 or a Sennheiser PC 360 ($166) with an additional DAC/AMP.  Again, as much as I would love a sound card at this point, I don't have any room in the case.

 

You could get a Sound Blaster Omni or a Xonar U3.

 

I wouldn't get the E10 for gaming, as it has to be the first device in the chain (no line-in).  I would rather spend that money on an amp with a line-in, in case you ever get an external surround sound device in the future.  I haven't used Razer's surround (Razer Synapse is something else BTW), so I can't comment on it.

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The X1 is probably not your cup of tea though, Nameless. I'd say it's a contrast compared to what you like. A bit muffled sounding in the general scheme of things compared to the more recent things I believe you have tried. The X1 isn't muffled overall, but the slight bass bloat makes it less clear than what I've compared lately.

 

I'm starting to think that two things are frequently at play here:

 

-Flavor Of The Month. (This does NOT necessarily mean a bad headphone, but FOTM sets tend to have overblown hype.)

 

-My tastes are simply not in line with most people's tastes here. Seems like most people like a V-shaped signature while I prefer a slight arch in the mids. (On top of that, I saw someone call the MA900 "too bright" recently, while I just don't find it bright and sparkly enough...)

 

Well, maybe three if I've been forever spoiled by vintage Stax. All in all, just trying to figure out where I stand relative to everyone else here, and that takes an audition. I mean, I STILL haven't heard a single AKG or Sennheiser set, and my Beyerdynamic experience is limited to that MMX 300. It's still kind of weird to realize that I have a tad more familiarity with Stax compared to anything else.

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I'm starting to think that two things are frequently at play here:

 

-Flavor Of The Month. (This does NOT necessarily mean a bad headphone, but FOTM sets tend to have overblown hype.)

 

-My tastes are simply not in line with most people's tastes here. Seems like most people like a V-shaped signature while I prefer a slight arch in the mids. (On top of that, I saw someone call the MA900 "too bright" recently, while I just don't find it bright and sparkly enough...)

 

Well, maybe three if I've been forever spoiled by vintage Stax. All in all, just trying to figure out where I stand relative to everyone else here, and that takes an audition. I mean, I STILL haven't heard a single AKG or Sennheiser set, and my Beyerdynamic experience is limited to that MMX 300. It's still kind of weird to realize that I have a tad more familiarity with Stax compared to anything else.

I think the it depends on which price bracket your in. I generally like a flat sound signature, but my tastes actually change depending on the price bracket as I think the cheaper price brackets just can not do details well enough. I prefer the V Shaped signature at the cheaper brackets as they might as well be fun if they are not going to do details well.

 

I also think it can rely heavily on your gear. I picked up the V Moda M80s for $45 and hated it on most of my daps. The bass was just too overpowering for nearly everything, but I hooked it up to my DX100 and it made it perform in the $150-$200 bracket easily imo. The bass was cleaned up, it had very minimal sibilance, and the details were decent.

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You could get a Sound Blaster Omni or a Xonar U3.

 

I wouldn't get the E10 for gaming, as it has to be the first device in the chain (no line-in).  I would rather spend that money on an amp with a line-in, in case you ever get an external surround sound device in the future.  I haven't used Razer's surround (Razer Synapse is something else BTW), so I can't comment on it.


I guess I dont under stand the difference between a "gaming" external sound card and an DAC/AMP.  I thought a the external sound card was a DAC/AMP and software for surround sound.  I had looked into a Sound Blaster Omni before but was unsure of its quality to drive something like a AKG Q701.  Also, for reviews that I have seen before, my Desktop motherboard had better sound than the Xonar U3, which is meant for notebooks. 

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Mixamp Pro 2011, put up on head-fi for $55 total. Looking for US buyers first, so hit me up if interested. never been used, just opened the box to take the A30s (a disappointment anyways).

I asked you about the a30's a few pages back. Finally got your thoughts on them. Surprised you don't like them at all. I think they are nice little headphones for the price. GL on selling that mixamp.

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To be fair, its really reliant on ear placement and clamp. It sounds too thin and the bass is resonant like woah. Just... its quite unrefined. Considering I basically got it for free after I sold my Mixamps, it will do. The Slyr is MUUUUCH better.
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Was hoping I could get an answer on this one.

If you remote play your ps4 on a vita. Can you still output the sound from the ps4. Like if I hook up a mixamp 5.8 to my ps4 and remote play. Will I still be able to get dolby headphone going.

Got some gift cards and am thinking about picking up a vita.
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To be fair, its really reliant on ear placement and clamp. It sounds too thin and the bass is resonant like woah. Just... its quite unrefined. Considering I basically got it for free after I sold my Mixamps, it will do. The Slyr is MUUUUCH better.


Thanks for your expanded thoughts. I pretty much agree with you for the most part. I think they sound good at best considering the price I paid. They do the job when gaming and for the folks that aren't as critical as you are, they should be happy with them as long as they don't overpay.

 

In regards to the X1, hopefully someone on here that aren't happy with them and purchased them at the discounted price can sell their X1's to you for around $150. I've seen 1 person in the X1 thread talk about possible returning his. It's criminal that you of all people missed out. I think you would be in heaven with the X1 + BoomPro + 5.8 mixamp.

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Was hoping I could get an answer on this one.

If you remote play your ps4 on a vita. Can you still output the sound from the ps4. Like if I hook up a mixamp 5.8 to my ps4 and remote play. Will I still be able to get dolby headphone going.

Got some gift cards and am thinking about picking up a vita.

I believe so since the PS4 still outputs the video to your HDTV. I wouldn't see why it wouldn't output the audio as well.

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I guess I dont under stand the difference between a "gaming" external sound card and an DAC/AMP.  I thought a the external sound card was a DAC/AMP and software for surround sound.  I had looked into a Sound Blaster Omni before but was unsure of its quality to drive something like a AKG Q701.  Also, for reviews that I have seen before, my Desktop motherboard had better sound than the Xonar U3, which is meant for notebooks. 

 

 

The difference is a "gaming" soundcard comes with licensed surround sound DSPs, whereas your typical external DAC/AMP has no processing whatsoever and strictly converts the digital signal (in plain stereo) and amplifies it. 

 

AFAIK there is only one free surround DSP software, which is the Razer one.  The rest are all tied to soundcard hardware (both internal and external like the SB Omni and U3).  FWIR Razer's free surround DSP isn't quite on par with the DSPs like SBX Pro, CMSS 3D, Dolby Headphone, etc.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646786/evshrugs-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now-discussion-journal#post_9067400

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The difference is a "gaming" soundcard comes with licensed surround sound DSPs, whereas your typical external DAC/AMP has no processing whatsoever and strictly converts the digital signal (in plain stereo) and amplifies it. 

 

AFAIK there is only one free surround DSP software, which is the Razer one.  The rest are all tied to soundcard hardware (both internal and external like the SB Omni and U3).  FWIR Razer's free surround DSP isn't quite on par with the DSPs like SBX Pro, CMSS 3D, Dolby Headphone, etc.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646786/evshrugs-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now-discussion-journal#post_9067400

I'd disagree with you there, I've used both quite a bit the last week and i can hear things with Razer that i cant with Dolby.

But.. for movies i would still use Dolby as it doesn't sound as processed.

 

Just my opinion:D 

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I'd disagree with you there, I've used both quite a bit the last week and i can hear things with Razer that i cant with Dolby.

But.. for movies i would still use Dolby as it doesn't sound as processed.

 

Just my opinion:D 

 

You'd disagree with FWIR:p

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You'd disagree with FWIRtongue.gif
lol
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