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Originally Posted by CubemonkeyNYC View Post
 

 

I asked this recently.

 

Get a Xonar soundcard. Anything from the DGX to STX, depending on how much you want to spend. Then hook that up to a Schiit Magni amp. You can get both from Amazon/Newegg.

 

EDIT - Actually, if you are getting a Schiit Magni, make sure you are either getting a soundcard with an RCA output or know that you may also need to get a 3.5MM to RCA adapter if the soundcard does not have RCA out.


Does the STX even really benefit from an amp though?  It's plenty strong as it is. 

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Originally Posted by ABK792 View Post
 

I have a stupid question. Since I only have an SPDIF out on my PC would these not work for me?

 

Your motherboard/soundcard doesn't have a front port connector for USB or 3.5mm? If not, then yeah you would need something to convert it to whatever connector the headset has.

 

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Does the STX even really benefit from an amp though?  It's plenty strong as it is. 

 

Depends. I was harangued by Mad Lust Envy for not reading 1,270 pages of thread to determine this, but some headphones need a more powerful amp to be fully powered.

post #19053 of 27809
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The STX should powerful most headphones very well. Some headphones may benefit from more, like the AKG 70x, Mad Dogs, HD650, and definitely the single digit Hifiman planars like the HE-4.

The first three mentioned do sound well with the STX's internal amp though so it's not a necessity to get a stronger amp.
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MLE how would you compare the E17+E9 combo to the Modi+Magni combo with the Q701s?

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The E17+E9k combo is warmer, and I feel has more synergy with the Q701. The Modi+Magni is highly neutral/analytical, and it may exacerbate the the Q701's shortcomings (lean-ish bass, upper mid spike).

The Q701 loves warm-ish SS amps, IMHO.

However, don't let that keep you from the Modi+Magni. That combo is worth it, it just may not be the most ideal for the Q701. Overall, the M+M is a better combo than the E17+E9K SQ-wise. The E17+E9 has more versatility though, with multiple inputs, including optical.

As for SS amp differences, they are subtle. Don't expect a highly noticeable change. If I could make up numbers, I'd say something along the lines of it being the last 2% difference in a headphone's innate sound. As long as a headphone has enough power to funcytion at it's optimal level, differences won't be big, and sometimes unnoticeable.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/17/13 at 8:52am
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Edited by DoctaCosmos - 12/17/13 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The E17+E9k combo is warmer, and I feel has more synergy with the Q701. The Modi+Magni is highly neutral/analytical, and it may exacerbate the the Q701's shortcomings (lean-ish bass, upper mid spike).

The Q701 loves warm-ish SS amps, IMHO.

However, don't let that keep you from the Modi+Magni. That combo is worth it, it just may not be the most ideal for the Q701. Overall, the M+M is a better combo than the E17+E9K SQ-wise. The E17+E9 has more versatility though, with multiple inputs, including optical.

As for SS amp differences, they are subtle. Don't expect a highly noticeable change. If I could make up numbers, I'd say something along the lines of it being the last 2% difference in a headphone's innate sound. As long as a headphone has enough power to funcytion at it's optimal level, differences won't be big, and sometimes unnoticeable.

 

Thanks I already have the E17 + E9 combo so I was just wondering if it would be worth upgrading to the Schitt combo, but it sounds like from what you're saying that it wouldn't really be a noticeable upgrade and in some aspects can be considered a downgrade.

 

Do you know the cheapest upgrade path from the Fiio combo? You see I'm very happy with the E9 but not completely sold on the E17 -- I love it's functionality and versatility, but I'm mostly going to be listening on the desktop so I'm willing to give that up if it means I can get better sound quality. I see that the Audioengine D1 is on sale, and I've seen at least one review on Amazon in which it states that the D1 provides a much larger soundstage than the E17. 

 

But I also know how audiophiles can tend to speak in hyperbole and seeing how you have had experience with much higher end dacs I would welcome any suggestions you have.

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Hmm, I really like the ODAC. To me it was the best sounding dac I've owned. Even better than the Sabre es9018 dac equipped Compass 2, which cost me 600 dollars plus. However, once you hit a decent dac level, they're harder to distinguish than amps themselves. I like the E17s dac because its just slightly warm, which I sounds more enjoyable than a supremely neutral dac. However, the odac is neutral, yet smooth and more dimensional sounding than any of the dacs I owned. Just slightly.

For a pure upgrade to the Fiio combo, probably something like an odac+Mstage or Asgard 2. For me though, I love the Audio-GD amp/dac all in ones. The Compass 2 if you need an optical input, or just an nfb11.32 or cheaper, 15.32.

I wish they still sold the NFB5. Loved it.
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I have one more question. Does the Skullcandy Plyr 1 have mic monitoring (mic monitoring plays back the audio your mic is picking up to let you know how loud you're talking.)

post #19060 of 27809
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I can't remember. I don't think I've heard anything that monitors my voice at least to where I can adjust how loud I can hear myself. Most I've heard is perhaps some of my voice coming through game audio, but not separeate chat monitoring.
post #19061 of 27809
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I have one more question. Does the Skullcandy Plyr 1 have mic monitoring (mic monitoring plays back the audio your mic is picking up to let you know how loud you're talking.)

 

Windows has this. You just use the windows mixer and up your mic volume. Not sure why you'd want it. 

post #19062 of 27809
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Originally Posted by CubemonkeyNYC View Post
 

 

Windows has this. You just use the windows mixer and up your mic volume. Not sure why you'd want it. 

 

Two main reasons. First is to monitor for an open mic when using PTT. Second is to cancel out the in-head reverb caused by closed headphones. There are other reasons on an individual level but these are the two most common.

 

As for windows, it introduces a very noticeable delay between spoken and heard. Headsets with live monitoring are much better than the monitoring built into windows.

post #19063 of 27809
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

Two main reasons. First is to monitor for an open mic when using PTT. Second is to cancel out the in-head reverb caused by closed headphones. There are other reasons on an individual level but these are the two most common.

 

Monitor for an open mic when using PTT? What chat software are you using where that could be a problem? We use Teamspeak. Either the PTT key is pressed or it isn't.

 

Not familiar with the reverb issue. 

post #19064 of 27809
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Originally Posted by CubemonkeyNYC View Post
 

 

Monitor for an open mic when using PTT? What chat software are you using where that could be a problem? We use Teamspeak. Either the PTT key is pressed or it isn't.

 

Not familiar with the reverb issue. 

 

Over the years I've used versions of Teamspeak, Ventrilo and various voice chat systems built into games. I've run into open mics with PTT more times than I can remember.

 

The reverb is the same effect as sticking fingers in your ears and talking, or when talking with IEMs in.


Edited by AxelCloris - 12/17/13 at 12:35pm
post #19065 of 27809
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

Over the years I've used versions of Teamspeak, Ventrilo and various voice chat systems built into games. I've run into open mics with PTT more times than I can remember.

 

The reverb is the same effect as sticking fingers in your ears and talking, or when talking with IEMs in.

 

Weird. The only time I've seen an open mic on a PTT user is when they CTRL-ALT-DELETE. 

 

I didn't think that reverb could be a problem. Must be an audiophile thing.

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