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Originally Posted by vikaman View Post

 

Does this mean I am pretty much stuck with the Creative Sound Blaster Recon 3D?

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Just like Chico mentioned there are alternatives. Granted, I don't feel that you'd be "stuck" with the Recon3D USB as I feel it's a quite capable device. The link he gave you has Asus's 3 models for surround processing. The U3 is excellent on a budget. And many places will offer it with a Mail In Rebate from time to time. When you factor in the MIR, I got the U3 myself a while back for $15. Hard to argue with that price. I haven't heard the U1, though I've always wanted to as I love the design. And I've only heard the U7 briefly so I don't have any strong opinions one way or another on it. But I liked what I did hear.

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Just like Chico mentioned there are alternatives. Granted, I don't feel that you'd be "stuck" with the Recon3D USB as I feel it's a quite capable device. The link he gave you has Asus's 3 models for surround processing. The U3 is excellent on a budget. And many places will offer it with a Mail In Rebate from time to time. When you factor in the MIR, I got the U3 myself a while back for $15. Hard to argue with that price. I haven't heard the U1, though I've always wanted to as I love the design. And I've only heard the U7 briefly so I don't have any strong opinions one way or another on it. But I liked what I did hear.

 

Thanks for the advice! 

 

The U7 is just out of my budget (if you consider the AD700). I am not sure if the U3 and U1 handle 5.1 surround. However, I am happy to see you endorse the 3D Recon, it's well within my budget and supports surround sound!

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On a budget, I think the U3 is excellent. So if you're looking to save a few bucks and you don't need console/Mac support then I'd say go U3. For me the Recon3D is perfect because it works in both OS X and Windows. The U3 does not.

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On a budget, I think the U3 is excellent. So if you're looking to save a few bucks and you don't need console/Mac support then I'd say go U3. For me the Recon3D is perfect because it works in both OS X and Windows. The U3 does not.

Thanks again! I didn't know the U3 offered surround sound! I am convinced to go for the U3.

 

Is it a good match up with the AD700? I realise that gaming requires a large/wide soundstage, but I also want a normal pair of headphones for rock/classical music. Think the AD700 come the closest to satisfying all this.

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Thanks again! I didn't know the U3 offered surround sound! I am convinced to go for the U3.

 

Is it a good match up with the AD700? I realise that gaming requires a large/wide soundstage, but I also want a normal pair of headphones for rock/classical music. Think the AD700 come the closest to satisfying all this.

 

I can't speak too much to the AD700 as I haven't heard it in several years. It didn't fit well either so I'm pretty sure I wasn't getting the most out of it. I have a larger head, but it's a little more oval shaped, and narrower from ear to ear, so the wing design on the ATs is absolutely horrible to me. Others swear by its comfort. It's an entirely personal headphone. Also, I remember there being a lack of low end that just sounded unnatural. But that's my sonic memory.

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Nameless, the model numbers are different for North America than they are for Europe.

 

the model number for North America is KDL42W650A I believe.

 

 

At least in Canada that is what it is. This is the Best Buy Canada link - http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/sony-sony-42-1080p-120hz-led-smart-tv-kdl42w650a-kdl42w650a/10269269.aspx

 

I'm sure its the same in America. (I live in Canada)

post #17857 of 27153
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Thanks again! I didn't know the U3 offered surround sound! I am convinced to go for the U3.

Is it a good match up with the AD700? I realise that gaming requires a large/wide soundstage, but I also want a normal pair of headphones for rock/classical music. Think the AD700 come the closest to satisfying all this.
The AD700 was my first awesome gaming headphone, and I personally think it hits the gaming sweet spot for a very affordable price. I heard that it fits wider heads better in stock form, I have a bit of a narrower head but by flexing the "arcs" and putting a rubber band between the wings, both with the goal to have the top and bottom of the earpads rest flush with my head, I achieved what was probably the most comfortable (for me) gaming marathon headphone. The wings were kinder to my head than any headband (or ear hook). For music though... the sound lacks body, the bass is very tight but kinda recessed, most of the headphone's frequency response is kinda "laid back." Which can sometimes be a good thing, but I alternated between headphones and speakers for music till I upgraded to an AKG, which has soundstage AND isn't as laid back and has more bass body. Still, I think the AD700 (and Koss KSC75) make for GREAT VALUE, they stand up well against average headphones and make a good reference point in the future to ask yourself "is this new headphone worth it over the AD700?"

The U3 does offer surround, using Dolby Headphone processing, but you'll probably hear an improvement with the AD700 if you get a FiiO E5 or E6. Those are cheap amps, but the main reason you'd want them is because the U3 has pretty high output impedance while the AD700 has low dampening ability, putting a little FiiO amp between them will benefit you with less harshness and distortion, sound clearer and more detailed. The other benefit is the little FiiOs have a little bass boost option, if you want it sometimes.
My favourite pairing with the AD700 was my Recon3D. I plugged the phones straight in, and I thought it was awesome I could use the one processor for my Mac (movies and Starcraft II), Console (Xbox360, but PS3 is supported too), and Windows (hardcore games). Using the bass boost and setting the "crossover point" low sounded pretty awesome, the ambiance of Metro 2033 blew me away.
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The AD700 was my first awesome gaming headphone, and I personally think it hits the gaming sweet spot for a very affordable price. I heard that it fits wider heads better in stock form, I have a bit of a narrower head but by flexing the "arcs" and putting a rubber band between the wings, both with the goal to have the top and bottom of the earpads rest flush with my head, I achieved what was probably the most comfortable (for me) gaming marathon headphone. The wings were kinder to my head than any headband (or ear hook). For music though... the sound lacks body, the bass is very tight but kinda recessed, most of the headphone's frequency response is kinda "laid back." Which can sometimes be a good thing, but I alternated between headphones and speakers for music till I upgraded to an AKG, which has soundstage AND isn't as laid back and has more bass body. Still, I think the AD700 (and Koss KSC75) make for GREAT VALUE, they stand up well against average headphones and make a good reference point in the future to ask yourself "is this new headphone worth it over the AD700?"

The U3 does offer surround, using Dolby Headphone processing, but you'll probably hear an improvement with the AD700 if you get a FiiO E5 or E6. Those are cheap amps, but the main reason you'd want them is because the U3 has pretty high output impedance while the AD700 has low dampening ability, putting a little FiiO amp between them will benefit you with less harshness and distortion, sound clearer and more detailed. The other benefit is the little FiiOs have a little bass boost option, if you want it sometimes.
My favourite pairing with the AD700 was my Recon3D. I plugged the phones straight in, and I thought it was awesome I could use the one processor for my Mac (movies and Starcraft II), Console (Xbox360, but PS3 is supported too), and Windows (hardcore games). Using the bass boost and setting the "crossover point" low sounded pretty awesome, the ambiance of Metro 2033 blew me away.

Thanks so  much for the help!

 

Think I've decided to go with: Xonar U3 -> Fiio E5 -> AD700x. 

 

I'd love to have the Recon 3D, but it's like £75 here, which is a lot of money. Infact, it costs £10 less than the AD700x I sourced on ebay. 

 

Thanks again!

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Thank you for this great list, i will buy Skullcandy SLYR since my budget is 100 USD, i'm so curious about the MixAmp thing, is my first time to read about this.

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Originally Posted by vikaman View Post
 

Think I've decided to go with: Xonar U3 -> Fiio E5 -> AD700x. 

I'd love to have the Recon 3D, but it's like £75 here, which is a lot of money. Infact, it costs £10 less than the AD700x I sourced on ebay. 

You might consider skipping on the E5 and AD700X and get the HD558 and plugging the HD558 directly into the U3.

I believe the U3's headphone amplifier is ok for headphones up to 150-Ohms.

The HD5XX series seems to do well with FPS gaming, comes with a decent amount more bass then my Audio Technica ATH-AD700s.

And the HD558s are 50-Ohm and are not as negatively affected by high impedance, my HD558 sound fair good plugged into my Yamaha receivers high impedance headphone output.

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Well, vikaman hasn't stated his sound preferences, I just mentioned the AD700 pros & cons to confirm what he/she has found from previous research. In a surround gaming audio thread, I make the assumption that surround and soundstage are important, and the AD700 (and Sony MA900) have the best soundstaging I've heard. And, I don't know how much a Sennheiser HD558 is in Europe, but £85 sounds like a high-enough price for the AD700x (my old-style purple AD700 were $80 US), I thought the HD558 cost a fair bit more. Still, the HD558 bass has better extension than the AD700x (I think) and may be more fun with music.

The FiiO E5/6 was just a suggestion to round-out the AD700, I personally enjoyed music more with the humble amp attached, but it is an optional purchase. No harm in trying a headphone without it first, and an amp could always be added later. Would be a good way to learn the difference made by output impedance. However, on that note, the AD700 didn't sound "bad" out from my Yamaha receiver either, and 32 ohms resistance isn't that different than 50 ohms, especially if you're trying to keep the 1/8 output to input impedance ratio suggestions.
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I want to ask regarding the U3. So the xonar U3 is like a mixamp solution for laptop with onboard soundcard right? It emulate surround like mixamp in laptop, just like mixamp with console?

So if in my case is laptop usb -  u3 optic out - optic in aune x1 - fidelio x1.

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Originally Posted by widdyjudas View Post
 

I want to ask regarding the U3. So the xonar U3 is like a mix-amp solution for laptop with on-board sound card right? It emulate surround like mix-amp in laptop, just like mix-amp with console?

So if in my case is laptop usb -  u3 optic out - optic in aune x1 - fidelio x1.

The Xonar U3 and the Astro Mix-amp both provide Headphone Surround Sound

They also both bypass the laptops on-board audio features and just use their own.

If the laptop comes with a S/PDIF optical output, the Aune X1 could also be used plugged directly into the laptop, using the on-board audio features, for gaming and movies (or use the Xonar U3, if it works better).

But for music or any other basic 2-channel audio, you can plug the Aune X1 into the laptop, using USB.

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

The Xonar U3 and the Astro Mix-amp both provide Headphone Surround Sound

They also both bypass the laptops on-board audio features and just use their own.

If the laptop comes with a S/PDIF optical output, the Aune X1 could also be used plugged directly into the laptop, using the on-board audio features, for gaming and movies (or use the Xonar U3, if it works better).

But for music or any other basic 2-channel audio, you can plug the Aune X1 into the laptop, using USB.

So its basically a mixamp, but for laptop or pc?

Yes, I usually plugged my aune via usb, so it bypass the onboard soundcard. My laptop only got the crappy realtek soundcard, no optic output. The U3 come with optic dongle, so I can plug it to my aune via optic out from laptop usb.

So the U3 is best with movie and gaming, not good for music?


Edited by widdyjudas - 11/10/13 at 10:19pm
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I don't know how the U3 is actually good for movies though since most movies are encoded in DTS format these days. Unless I'm missing something here, DH doesn't work with DTS encoded movies.

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