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Can somebody tell me if the earforce dss sounds the same as the dss2?

I read that the dss2 has worse surround sound.

I like default settings so the added options of the dss2 wouldn't matter to me
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Is this 2013 model the first proper revision of MMX-300? I've been happy with my QH-1339, I'd say it verges on neutral whereas a vanilla DT770 I demoed sounded nothing alike, that one was so boomy I thought the set was defective; apparently, that's how it's supposed to sound. If the new MMX-300 improves from QH-1339 I doooo want to give it a whirl, although I don't really use the mic -excellent as it is- too often at all and having such an expensive headset, let alone 2, could be considered somewhat unnecessary. :rolleyes: There will be a hifi expo here this coming weekend, sizeable discounts are forecast and I'm fully prepared to jump on a deal on HE-400 or HE-500.

 

Nameless: Having more than 4 threads = better minimum FPS already in games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3 multiplayer, assuming you are not hugely bottlenecked by the GPU. I could post a graph but like the wise gentlemen so astutely put it, this is probably not the place. Apologies MLE!

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Why isn't the Siberia v2 in this thread?
 

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Because MLE hasn't reviewed it yet, plain and simple.

If Crysis 3 already benefits from the extra threads, then Star Citizen will, and that's a very big reason for me to upgrade there.

Back to audio...now that I think about it, I could have bought a cheap gaming headset for under $40 just to send MLE for review. Deal's probably over now, though.
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MA 900 , AD700X , SR 850 . Still quite confused :/ 

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Annies :P

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Originally Posted by mpawluk91 View Post

Can somebody tell me if the earforce dss sounds the same as the dss2?

I read that the dss2 has worse surround sound.

I like default settings so the added options of the dss2 wouldn't matter to me

 

They use two different surround sound DSPs, so I'd say NO they don't sound the same.

 

The original DSS uses Dolby Heapdhone, while the DSS2 uses a surround DSP by Cirrus logic.  There aren't many impressions on how the latter sounds.

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The DSS2 sounds a lot less immersive than the DSS, but in some cases do actually provide better positional accuracy. Other than that, it also has slightly less hiss, has a little bit more power on the headphone out and some preset EQs instead of an adjustable bass boost like the original DSS.

 

The virtual surround speaker placements are gimmicky and they don't really make a huge difference from one preset to another. It really does depend on how the game is mixed however.

 

There are 6 different presets:

 

 

Pre 1) The standard angle and the one that to me sounds closest to DH, but considerably less immersive and in many cases worse positional accuracy.

Pre 2) Supposedly the most "balanced" preset, but I honestly hear very little difference between this and the standard preset 1. Slightly better rear positional accuracy maybe, but not by much and certainly would depend on the game instead.
Pre 3) Rear audio sounds a little more lively, but despite how the diagram shows, using this preset robs the front audio too much for no reason what so ever.

 

Pre 4) Sounds exactly the same as preset 2, don't know what is the point of having this preset here.

Pre 5) Again sounding almost exactly like preset 2, difference is way too minute for games on consoles to tell a difference.

Pre 6) Very similar to preset 3, but a wider soundstage with a little bit too much reverb. The front cues are still pretty dead though.

 

I know many people has asked about how come there are only 4 speakers and not 5. There were a lot of confusion before too that the DSS2 is actually a 4.1 processor and isn't a 5.1. The center speaker is THERE, but rather hollow sounding. I did a few SFX test where the sound would sweep in 360 degree variation and I can definitely hear the center virtual speaker placement, it just isn't as intimate as how DH does it.

 

No idea why TurtleBeach didn't include the center speaker in their diagrams, but I think it is down to because the center speaker doesn't change position regardless of the preset anyways so it is redundant to have it there.

 

Finally, DSS or DSS2?

IMO, definitely the DSS. It's already not in production but since there are still quite a few units on ebay going for $25, I don't see a better processor that provides DH at this price, of which would work with consoles and PCs. The DSS2 simply isn't worth the money.


Edited by benbenkr - 10/31/13 at 11:02pm
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Holy cow, as and ye shall receive. Kickstarter for the 7th Guest 3. It's going to be a LONG wait for October 2015.

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A900X with Hifiman Velour pads - comfort +++ , they don't slide at all, like with the small stocks.

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post

The DSS2 sounds a lot less immersive than the DSS, but in some cases do actually provide better positional accuracy. Other than that, it also has slightly less hiss, has a little bit more power on the headphone out and some preset EQs instead of an adjustable bass boost like the original DSS.

The virtual surround speaker placements are gimmicky and they don't really make a huge difference from one preset to another. It really does depend on how the game is mixed however.

There are 6 different presets:




Pre 1) The standard angle and the one that to me sounds closest to DH, but considerably less immersive and in many cases worse positional accuracy.
Pre 2) Supposedly the most "balanced" preset, but I honestly hear very little difference between this and the standard preset 1. Slightly better rear positional accuracy maybe, but not by much and certainly would depend on the game instead.

Pre 3) Rear audio sounds a little more lively, but despite how the diagram shows, using this preset robs the front audio too much for no reason what so ever.

Pre 4) Sounds exactly the same as preset 2, don't know what is the point of having this preset here.
Pre 5) Again sounding almost exactly like preset 2, difference is way too minute for games on consoles to tell a difference.
Pre 6) Very similar to preset 3, but a wider soundstage with a little bit too much reverb. The front cues are still pretty dead though.

I know many people has asked about how come there are only 4 speakers and not 5. There were a lot of confusion before too that the DSS2 is actually a 4.1 processor and isn't a 5.1. The center speaker is THERE, but rather hollow sounding. I did a few SFX test where the sound would sweep in 360 degree variation and I can definitely hear the center virtual speaker placement, it just isn't as intimate as how DH does it.

No idea why TurtleBeach didn't include the center speaker in their diagrams, but I think it is down to because the center speaker doesn't change position regardless of the preset anyways so it is redundant to have it there.

Finally, DSS or DSS2?
IMO, definitely the DSS. It's already not in production but since there are still quite a few units on ebay going for $25, I don't see a better processor that provides DH at this price, of which would work with consoles and PCs. The DSS2 simply isn't worth the money.
Thank you very much for the informative reply. Greatly appreciated sir!

I went ahead and ordered a dss from amazon for 45$ new (I actually found a new one !) and I also ordered a pretty nice interconnect to go between the dss and my arrow 4g, it should sound pretty nice because I have a pure copper cryo headphone cable for my Logitech UE6000

Here is the interconnect I ordered

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=261256551568
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Haven't forgotten about you... Guess I gotta apologize, I was torn between making this (and figuring out how to prop up my phone to use as camera/mic) and playing Batman... Batman kinda won out, good news is I got stuck on a Riddler challenge last night wink.gif
 

 

 

haha fair enough :D thanks a lot man, and take your time.

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Fidelio L2 are getting good reviews. Headfonia one I will take with a grain of salt though. Never too sure about their reviews. Let's hope the x2 is also an even more improved driver when they inevitably announce that, as that's what I'd be more interested in that a weird niche semi-open on-ear pair like the l2
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Thread Starter 
Looks like I have lost my KSC35 god knows where. This hurts my soul. (I use my KSC35 basically my entire shift at work...and when I'm on the phone at home, etc. It is completely indispensable...)

wje has my KSC75 which has been gutted for parts to use for my broken PX100-II, which he seems to have working with the KSC75's clips in the PX100-ii's own driver housing (bonding the KSC75's clips to the PX100-II housing itself), so eventually, I may have a frankenstein PX100-II with KSC75 clips. Hopefully this will be my work headphone.

Guess I'll be taking the MA900 to work in the meantime. I really miss my KSC35...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/3/13 at 9:12am
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^at least it's cheap!
Thanks for popping back in.
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