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So I went to BB and demoed the Momentum. Unless you are a 5 year old or midget, I don't see how those can be over the ear for ANY adult, lol.

They are definitely on ear for me. They sounded nice, and looked great in person too. Not good enough for me to spend $350 for them though. The on ear fit would probably make them uncomfortable after a period of time. The pads are amazingly soft though.

 

How would you compare its sound to the MD? Would you say they are completely different or a good portable alternate?

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That "someone else" is right here, you know...and I can personally attest to the Recon3D USB in question not being broken or anything. (Well, there was a lead weight slab rattling around in there because the screw stud keeping it in place snapped, but it was 100% functional, no PCB damage or anything.) It might just need a driver/firmware update for all I know, but the February 2013 drivers didn't change much, if anything.

Anyway, time to put BF3's audio to the test...very first impressions are that while the positioning still sounds strangely "off" at times, it's still far, FAR better than Bad Company 2's positioning ever was, so DICE actually did get their act together. And there's one more trick they did that I'm not sure HOW they pulled it off given the way XAudio2 works, but...the helicopters in the first real singleplayer mission after you exit the APC...they legitimately sounded ABOVE my head.

My prior statements on BF3 were based on extrapolations from BF:BC2's audio performance (they're both Frostbite engine-based, after all), which may very well be incorrect in retrospect. This is why I need more hands-on experience with things, but I just wasn't willing to spend more than $5 on BF3 after having lost faith in DICE's ability to make a good Battlefield game.
Hey Nameless,
I wasn't bagging on you, I was trying to leave you anonymous. Neither was I suggesting you had done anything, mostly that your and Mad's experience was markedly different from mine, and maybe there was a manufacturing defect (or maybe they accidentally made mine better than average?).

But anyway, BF3 used Frostbite 2. Probably about as much change between BF:BC2 and BF2 as between BF3 and BC2. I thought before that you said positioning was bad in BF3 because there was too much going on (and explosions created an in-game effect of ringing ears, muting the rest of game audio). But hey, it would be cool if we squad'ed up sometime.

I probably won't get BF4, just because it's like "Too Soon!" but I probably will pick up Star Wars Battlefront 3 (cuz I'm a sucker for SW). I'm about to play Tomb Raider just now tho, this is the first time I'm really taxing my GPU and I was AMAZED (compared to Xbox) when I found 5 mins to play this morning.
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I wanna go to Best Buy and see if they have the Momentum up for demoing. That'd be my first choice as far as closed portables go. I'm not a fan of Vmoda's designs (too teenager-centric for me). I prefer elegant design like the X1 and Momentum. If the Philips M1 sounded great, those would be a good choice as far as looks go too. Then there is the Audio Technica ES700, ESw10, and ESw11JPN, etc... but are not comfy...
Mad, I was gonna reply and speak about my recent-ish experience listening to the Momentums at Best Buy, but then you said...
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So I went to BB and demoed the Momentum. Unless you are a 5 year old or midget, I don't see how those can be over the ear for ANY adult, lol.

They are definitely on ear for me. They sounded nice, and looked great in person too. Not good enough for me to spend $350 for them though. The on ear fit would probably make them uncomfortable after a period of time. The pads are amazingly soft though.

The 558 still impresses me for the price. The K550 still disappoints, as does the A900x. Yuck.

Got to try the Denon D600... I liked it, though it's definitely boomy and sibilant.

And basically, I agree. My store didn't have the last two out for demoing though. When I came back from that, THAT was when I recommended the HD 558 to those guys from India as a first Hi-Fi headphone, because it is quite capable and cost-efficient. I liked the Momentums too, for sure, but I think I'd rather have the V-MODA's based on sound-alone. Really wish I could find those, and the LP's earpads were big enough that they could be "half" circumaural, but still I couldn't wear them longer than 45-minutes before some pain crept in, before I had the earpads broken in. The Momentums really do look great.
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Oh, and obviously the fit of IEMs is picky, I actually had quite a hard time with Shure's and olive-shaped earpads, but the "Christmas trees" of the Etymotic products feel great when you have the right size. What were the Monster Turbines like for comfort?
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How would you compare its sound to the MD? Would you say they are completely different or a good portable alternate?

The Mad Dog walks all over the Momentum. This is a large reason why i can't justify the Momentum's price tag. The Mad Dog is a better headphone in basically every regard, and cheaper. if the Momentum were $200, then I'd say it's a good alternative. i feel part of it's price is due to the very high build quality and aesthetics. It's a great headphone, make no mistake, but not $350 good. That's more than the X1 and Mad dogs, and near the Annie's price. Portable or not, it doesn't compare.

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I believe fellows on this thread have repeatedly affirmed that they would be the definitive headphone for you.

My question is whether the X1 satiates your nostalgia for the D7000.

It satiates my desire to get anything else for now, except something like the X1 with better refinement. (the X1 distorts a bit in the bass compared to the planars). I could envision an improved HE-400 with more comfort, reduced treble, and even more sub bass being what'd get me to upgrade.

The D7000 is still my fave headphone sound-wise, but it doesn't hit as many boxes as the X1 (comfort, velour, open, being three of them).

Either way, I no longer have any desire to spend the amount of money it'd take to get a D7000, unless it's for an improved X1. I'd love the D7000, but not pleather...
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My question is whether the X1 satiates your nostalgia for the D7000.

 

 

The X1's bass is impressive for an open headphone, but the D7000's bass is unlike anything I've heard from a headphone.

 

From what I've read about the TH900 though, I would probably prefer it to the D7000 as it's said to be more balanced and refined while still having amazing bass. 

 

*sigh* Someday.... rolleyes.gif

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The X1's bass is impressive for an open headphone, but the D7000's bass is unlike anything I've heard from a headphone.

From what I've read about the TH900 though, I would probably prefer it to the D7000 as it's said to be more balanced and refined while still having amazing bass. 

*sigh* Someday.... rolleyes.gif

Hear, hear. The D7000's bass is legendary to me. Nothing.... NOTHING touches it for me. Not the LCD2, not the HE400, not the Pro 900.... nothing.

BTW, I must say, i found the Denon D600 to be INCREDIBLY comfortable. Not sure how long the pads would stay cool, but man... it felt damn good on my head.

edit: I'm hating my laptop's shift key. If i don't capitalize... blame that, not me. frown.gif
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/16/13 at 1:34pm
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It satiates my desire to get anything else for now, except something like the X1 with better refinement. (the X1 distorts a bit in the bass compared to the planars). I could envision an improved HE-400 with more comfort, reduced treble, and even more sub bass being what'd get me to upgrade.

How about a Stax Omega 2 or something?

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How about a Stax Omega 2 or something?

Lol, not with my income. frown.gif
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Oh, and obviously the fit of IEMs is picky, I actually had quite a hard time with Shure's and olive-shaped earpads, but the "Christmas trees" of the Etymotic products feel great when you have the right size. What were the Monster Turbines like for comfort?

Comfort? What comfort? tongue.gif
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Hey Nameless,
I wasn't bagging on you, I was trying to leave you anonymous. Neither was I suggesting you had done anything, mostly that your and Mad's experience was markedly different from mine, and maybe there was a manufacturing defect (or maybe they accidentally made mine better than average?).

But anyway, BF3 used Frostbite 2. Probably about as much change between BF:BC2 and BF2 as between BF3 and BC2. I thought before that you said positioning was bad in BF3 because there was too much going on (and explosions created an in-game effect of ringing ears, muting the rest of game audio). But hey, it would be cool if we squad'ed up sometime.

I probably won't get BF4, just because it's like "Too Soon!" but I probably will pick up Star Wars Battlefront 3 (cuz I'm a sucker for SW). I'm about to play Tomb Raider just now tho, this is the first time I'm really taxing my GPU and I was AMAZED (compared to Xbox) when I found 5 mins to play this morning.

 

Yeah, if there's one thing that stands out in the world of audio, it's personal preferences and clashing tastes. Ultimately, this means that after a point, nobody's really right or wrong because we all hear differently...to the point where I'd even argue that once your gear's high-end enough, the real bottleneck in the audio chain is going to be the listener's own two ears.

 

I'd disagree on the change from BF:BC2 to BF3 being like the change from BF2 to BF:BC2; if anything, it's more like the change from BF1942/BF:Vietnam to BF2/BF2142, all four of which used the same Refractor engine since Codename: Eagle (the series' spiritual predecessor), but got some major upgrades with BF2 (ragdoll physics, pixel shader effects, and replacing Miles Sound System-based DS3D with OpenAL come to mind).

 

Going from BF2/BF2142 to BF:BC2 meant an entire engine transition from Refractor to Frostbite, which made for quite a drastic change. Going from BF:BC2's Frostbite to BF3's Frostbite 2.0 seems like more of an incremental upgrade by comparison, arguably even less than the BF: Vietnam to BF2 transition.

 

Speaking of squadding up, though...maybe we can get some sort of BF3 Origin Head-Fi squad going, for all we know?

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My Origin is Holotype but I'm pretty rusty as I haven't fired up a game in many weeks. Glad to squad along if other people are on though.
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Speaking of squadding up, though...maybe we can get some sort of BF3 Origin Head-Fi squad going, for all we know?

 

That would be totally unfair to those squads without tactical headphones... tongue_smile.gif

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I can't shoot for **** on BF3. It just feels weird. I miss my arcadey CoD shooting.
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I can't shoot for **** on BF3. It just feels weird. I miss my arcadey CoD shooting.

 

That's because there's actually real recoil on BF3 lol. It takes much practice to get used to it. Hell, I've been playing it for 18 months and still can't shoot for sh**, sometimes... tongue_smile.gif

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I can't shoot for **** on BF3. It just feels weird. I miss my arcadey CoD shooting.

 

Just wait 'til you try Counter-Strike...I have the worst luck with actually hitting anything in that game, 1.6 and Source alike. (Haven't really tried Global Offensive.)

 

At least Battlefield series crosshairs actually give you a decent idea of weapon accuracy, and while it's too early for me to speak on BF3, BF1942 and BF2 are pretty straightforward.

 

(By the way, BF1942's free on Origin, except it's under the "demos" section for some stupid reason. If you don't mind the decade-old look, why not give it a shot?)

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