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Originally Posted by ScarsHD View Post

Have you ever considered trying the new Zowie MASHU headset? I would like to see how it compares to CAL! and DT770s. It's pretty new, and the only place I know you can buy it right now is on http://market.esea.net/
. I know headsets usually aren't that good, but, so far, zowie have been releasing good stuff and their products surely live up to their price.

also, quick note, you said I should get the DT770s over CAL! for gaming, but on your review itself competitive seems to be better on CAL! than DT770s. I'd really like to know why because there's quite a difference in price.

The ZOWEI mice are supposed to be very competitive, but I have no idea about the headphones. Audio reproduction and headphone design are a completely different ball game than the type of sensor and ergonomic design of mice that ZOWEI built their reputation on. Most likely, they defined a budget and features wishlist, and went shopping for an OEM headphone or driver manufacturer that they could buy from and put their logo on. I'm not saying the headphone will be bad, but I AM saying ZOWEI would be using someone else's sound design and you'd be paying the cost for the ZOWEI brand, their shopping costs, and the driver research done by the actual maker of the most critical headphone parts. I certainly would not expect Zowei's headphone to sound better or beat the price-value offered by Beyer, Audio Technica, Sennheiser, AKG, and other headphone-specialists that develop and manufacture their own headphones.
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

Yup, also been looking at the Objective O2, but I think the Magni looks better (don't like cables so the front). I have been studying your guide more than for the financial exam I have tomorrow redface.gif

Hmm... Filo 12. In what way does it differ from the F09K? Since the Magni, F09, F12 and even my NAD integrated amp can supply enough power, do you think the DT990 600 ohm version could be a decent choice or should I just go with the 250 one? I would still like to be able to use it with just an iPod.

Thanks for all your help
I have a FiiO Mont Blanc (E12). They both output over 880 mW @ 32 Ohm load, and scale pretty well from higher ohm loads (I'd be confident driving a 600 ohm Beyer, I kinda want a DT880 600 Ohm for myself, though I wish the mids were a bit more present). The biggest differences from the E09k are that it's a portable instead of a desktop amp and the E12 features an optional bass-boost. And about $20-$30 price difference. Oh, and the E12's output impedance is like 0.5 ohms, so well under the 1/8th rule of thumb suggested for most headphones. Mad mentioned low and high gain... All E12's offer a 0dB gain and a +16 dB high-gain mode, I don't know what the high-gain stats are on the E09k but not even halfway drives my 62 Ohm AKG Q701's loud on the 0 dB setting.

As far as headphone choice, I don't have anything further to add between the two you're looking at, beyond what has already been recommended to you.
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Thanks for clarifying!

I suppose I'll have to not be lazy and just switch between whatever I'm using.

I wouldn't call you lazy, just hoping to have a well-integrated setup. I'd say read the manual (RTFM!) of your monitor, and see if it supports 5.1 DDL audio output. Some TVs do (via optical), which is how they would return audio back to a speaker driver if the TV was hooked up to digital cable or something. 5.1 DDL audio ---> Astro Mixamp (or other surround processor) ---> headphone = good virtual surround.

I think you were specifically asking about microphone input and outputs though... If you actually have a computer monitor with multiple mic outputs, sure you should be able to use it as some sort of hub. Each console has it's own way of doing microphones though... I say, just buy a 3 pack of lapel mics for $4 (like I did), hook one up to each device and be done with it, lol.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's very, very close. One of the 600ohms sounded a lot like the 250ohm, while another sounded a little less bassy, but more refined. Again, this is why I hate Beyer. They can't get the headphones to sound like one another in the same model.

The 600ohm would be fine with the E9K, though the E9K wouldn't struggle with the 250ohm. ERither way the differences aren't huge. I actually enjoyed the bass more out of the 250ohm, but the clarity was a hint better on the 600ohm. The 32ohm is inferior to both, but they are pretty close to the 600ohm's sound when driven by a desktop amp. Don't bother with them as they are harder to drive than the 250ohm despite getting louder easily.

The E12 has similar power to the E9K, and is portable. However, it's gain doesn't come close to the E9K, so certain headphones MIGHT struggle. I've had a few cans that the E9K can't provide enough volume for in low gain mode. Low gain FWIR is about as loud as the E12's HIGH gain. This is why I wouldn't go for the E12 for 600ohm cans or harder to drive planars.

Ok. I think the the E9 would be better in that case since I could use it for future headphone upgrades which might require the power. Anyway, what do you mean by portable? Smaller, requires less cables? I don't think "portable" is a feature I need.

 

Regarding Mixamp choice:

Since I may be buying a headphone amp or will be using my integrated stereo amp for the headphones, would the older MixAmp versions be better? If I stack it with an amp, I should drive the mixamp volume to max and I've read that the 2013 have more hiss, which would then be more prominent. I don't think I'll need the 2013's EQ options and the older one's are cheaper. Also, do the newer and older one's use the same y adapter for third party headphones? Is the y adapter included when just buying the mixamp (no A40 headset) from Astro?

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The 2011 has less hiss, but it isn't a night and day difference. Astro provides the y-cable along with a USB cable, optical cable, line out cable and controller cable.
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Roguegeek,
I remember a conversation with a guy who wanted to sell me some viruses he wrote. It was an awkward convo, I ended it with basically a "no thanks, but please don't find me and hack my computer." For some, it's an adventure and intellectual pursuit. Others, it's a competitive thing, especially within gaming but... could also be a shady corporate sabotage. And more and more prevalently, it's a greedy money-grab thing. Sometimes a mix of all three, like the people on Xbox Live that offered to sell me infections. However, hacking is becoming overall more prevalent and popular. Have any idea how easy it is to get someone's social security number? I actually got mad at our university and wrote their tech staff a long essay about how bad an idea it was to use partial SS codes for student's passwords, though they did nothing about it and continued to not allow us a password change during the remainder of my time there.

At the National Youth Leadership Forum on Technology, where I met that virus programmer, the two biggest guest seminars were from Microsoft, and Kevin Mitnick. Hacking is definitely here to stay, and grow, though it will become more and more of a financial thing than a couple of geeks messing around for fun.


Conceptionalist,
Portable means the E12 is about the size of my mom's Android smartphone (slightly smaller), unlike the O2 which is called "portable" but you wouldn't carry it in a pants pocket, maybe in a backpack though. Maybe in a fanny pack :P
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Portable means the E12 is about the size of my mom's Android smartphone (slightly smaller), unlike the O2 which is called "portable" but you wouldn't carry it in a pants pocket, maybe in a backpack though. Maybe in a fanny pack :P

Haha!

I'd rather have something bigger and a bit more stable than that. It's gotta look like a complicated and nerdy piece of machinery, otherwise I'm not interested.

 

Also, it appears my TC electronic Impact Twin is a very nice high quality firewire ADC / DAC  (I really didn't know what it was), that also functions as a headphone amp and monitor controller (although with a very high 80 ohm headphone output). I've only used as an external soundcard when producing music on my computer, but there's some guys who use it as a preamp or DAC in their home stereo setup. 

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/can-impact-twin-be-used-preamp-home-stereo-system-15605/

 

This might be a dumb question, but would there be any use to include the DAC in the gaming setup?

I'm thinking: Xbox -> MixAmp -> TC DAC -> NAD integrated stereo headphone amp -> headphones

Alternatively, I'll just skip the NAD in the chain as the DAC already has headphone outputs. Or I'll just skip the DAC altogether, lol.

 

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

This might be a dumb question, but would there be any use to include the DAC in the gaming setup?

I'm thinking: Xbox -> MixAmp -> TC DAC -> NAD integrated stereo headphone amp -> headphones

Alternatively, I'll just skip the NAD in the chain as the DAC already has headphone outputs. Or I'll just skip the DAC altogether, lol.

 

Thoughts?

 

No. 


You can only have one DAC in the chain.  The DAC is right at the beginning of the audio chain to convert the digital signal to analog - where it will stay analog until it reaches the headphone.

 

You can't chain DACs together.

 

For gaming the Mixamp has to be the DAC otherwise you don't get Dolby Headphone.

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Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

Slowly learning here...

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I took an old Xbox headset and modded it so that there are two 3.5mm stereo jacks coming from it. One for the headset audio(I bridged the wire so that the mono signal comes through both left and right sides) and the other for the microphone.  I use my headphones with a Y cable to get my game audio from my DSS and then get the headset audio from my adapter.  It works but for some reason when i connect my headphones to the adapter in the controller both audio sources (game and voice chat) become mono.  It works better than using the Steelseries mixer with the DSS because the audio quality isn't degraded but I have no idea why everything becomes mono. 

 

Does anybody have an idea why this may be?
 

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Having been away from the forums for awhile I have to return after many months of gaming on consoles and PC with my Q701's hooked up to my Harman Kardon receiver.  For consoles I get automatic Dolby Digital Live converted into Dolby Headphone and it's not bad at all.  The receiver allows me to adjust levels to boost what I need to in order to push the Q701's properly.  Gaming bliss on the consoles.  Very good detail, but folks...let me tell you, PC gaming with headphones like the Q701's is pure greatness.  I have a sound card that allows for Dolby Digital Live and so many tweaks you can't help but fine tune these headphones to perfection.  Q701's tend to be a bit lacking for those that want a little more bass for their phones...not anymore with my tweaks on the PC.  It's so clean, so accurate that I couldn't believe they were the same headphones.  Mad Lust Envy and others that offer tips know EXACTLY what they are talking about.  Be prepared to tweak in order to make your headphones work beautifully.  I am a VERY happy camper and can now can understand why the love of good headphones exists.  I can honestly say I don't even miss my surround sound of my 5.1 speakers now.  I basically use that for music when no one is home.

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For some reason I’m having a hard time visualizing this.  Are we talking the “chat” headset or a regular headset?  You cut the male connector and replaced it with two 3.5mm jacks (female)?  I think a schematic would help. 

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Thread Starter 
So I went and rebought the first Black Ops. I forgot how fun the game was. No cheaters or millions of overpowered killstreaks (aside from Dogs, which not many people get anyways).
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Heads up just posted for sale my PC360's and Turtle Beach DSS2 (w/syba for chat). I didn't know Head-Fi had a classified I really only came hear to learn about gaming with headphone surround sound. Anyhow I have rarely used this setup, you will see why if you go to the post, so everything is in new condition. Looking to move as a package but I am considering separating. Thanks and MLE I am looking forward to the Fidelio X1 review.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661824/sennheiser-pc360-tb-earforce-dss2

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So I went and rebought the first Black Ops. I forgot how fun the game was. No cheaters or millions of overpowered killstreaks (aside from Dogs, which not many people get anyways).

I think it's time you jumped on the field, MLE. Right now is the perfect time.

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Thread Starter 
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I think it's time you jumped on the field, MLE. Right now is the perfect time.

I haven't liked Battlefield since Modern Combat. The maps are too big, the pacing is too slow, and it's too team oriented. I'm a horrible team player. I play TDM but run off and do my own thing. biggrin.gif

Played BC, BC, and BF3. None of them were for me after BF2:MC (which was my first FPS ever).
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/29/13 at 3:04pm
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I'm a horrible team player.

 

Ain't that the truth. wink.gif

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