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You're missing an important detail, devices like that won't carry a Dolby Digital signal through. Digital signals will almost always be converted to PCM, losing Dolby Digital, losing the ability to let the Mixamp convert into Dolby Headphone. That, and it's doubtful the USB even takes in anything more than 2 channels.

In short, again, Mixamp must go first.

Thanks again, I keep jumping the gun a little...

Anyway I think the solution has been staring me in the face all along, I was planning on buying the Fiio E17 as a replacement for my my Asus Xonar U3. But I'm probably better off just buying the E17 for general use and then keeping the Xonar for when I want to play games as that supports Dolby Headphone/Dolby Live natively etc.

Might be interesting to see if there's any difference in quality when plugging my PC360's directly into the Xonar U3 for Dolby Headphone, or using the spdif output on the U3 carrying a Dolby Digital Live signal to my Astro Mixamp.

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epuld love to see what you fine, I do LOVE the surround ish sound omy the wii U, monster hunter is kinda cool when stuff sounds relivant to where it is, ;eft of me right of me behind me ect...

 

so that would be extra cool in good mmos as well! 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

You're missing an important detail, devices like that won't carry a Dolby Digital signal through. Digital signals will almost always be converted to PCM, losing Dolby Digital, losing the ability to let the Mixamp convert into Dolby Headphone. That, and it's doubtful the USB even takes in anything more than 2 channels.

In short, again, Mixamp must go first.
The Recon3D receives surround from computer audio through USB.
BUT, I get your main point, the processor must receive more than 2 channels of audio, and USB dongles or external DACs usually strip out the Dolby Digital Live (DDL) from the signal. I don't know if the U3 has SPDIF-out, especially one that would include DH processing, would be cool if it did but I'm not holding my breath at the cost of an U3. It's also kind of weird that essentially boredandlazy would be double-DACing.

Boredandlazy,
If you already have a Xonar U3 USB DAC (and if you don't game on consoles), why not just buy an amp instead of the E17, which is a combo DAC/Amp? The cheaper E11 has an amp basically comparable to the E17's, or you could buy a more powerful amp like an E09k, E12, or Schiit Magni.
Edited by Evshrug - 3/26/13 at 2:47am
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Thread Starter 
Are you sure? I tried it, and I couldn't get surround audio through USB with the Recon. I had to use the optical.
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Dead sure. I keep my Recon3D plugged into my computer through USB and the Xbox at the same time through optical, remember? Though I have since fixed the motherboard audio issue I was having, for a while the Recon3D USB was the only way I had audio on my PC for a while. Good morning, by the way.
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Good morning, by the way.

 

What are you doing up this late/early?


GO BACK TO BED!!

 

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Thread Starter 
Oh, duh. The Xonar U3 does DH through USB. I forgot. rolleyes.gif

Still, an audiophile DAC is undoubtedly either only gonna take 2 channel PCM, or throw out Dolby Digital in favor of PCM. So there is no keeping Dolby Digital through the chain until it gets to his Mixamp.

I work overnights, so this time in the morning is like the afternoon for me even on my days off.
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What are you doing up this late/early?

GO BACK TO BED!!

ph34r.gif
I often have to get up at 6 for work, and I've found myself unable to sleep in on days off, like today. Why you up?
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Guys? LoL, guys??? Lookit:

What a bargain! Except... There are better deals on Head-Fi's For Sale forum now, from Mad, Nameless, and myself biggrin.gif
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Hello Head-Fi,

 

Can the Astro 5.8 drive ultrasone pro 900's and an AntLion modmic?

 

Sincerely,

New member

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The Recon3D receives surround from computer audio through USB.
BUT, I get your main point, the processor must receive more than 2 channels of audio, and USB dongles or external DACs usually strip out the Dolby Digital Live (DDL) from the signal. I don't know if the U3 has SPDIF-out, especially one that would include DH processing, would be cool if it did but I'm not holding my breath at the cost of an U3. It's also kind of weird that essentially boredandlazy would be double-DACing.

I'm pretty sick right now so I probably got lost halfway thru the discussion, but if he's passing a signal thru SPIDF he's not doing any double DAC'ing (there's only one digital to analog conversion, at the end point)... One device's just working as a processor, like any AVR would when fed thru HDMI (and before speaker output), or like a sound card doing DH then feeding PCM to an AVR...

That being said, I do agree with everything else... Just get an amp, or use the U3 for gaming exclusively, KISS.
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Hello, everyone. I have been researching through these forums for the last few months. I created a profile so I can personally thank Mad Lust Envy, chicolom, and Evshrug. After purchasing and returning many setups, I finally found my match... thanks to you. I am new to all of this... so my ears feel like I'm in heaven whenever I game or watch movies. I ended up with this setup...

PS3 > Recon3D > Matrix M-Stage (2012 version) > Q701s (with annie pads). I am now damn near broke... but still... thank you, again! dt880smile.png

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Can't sleep... Almost won a good deal on eBay of a graphics card for my computer, but lost by $10 in the last 5 minutes!
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I'm pretty sick right now so I probably got lost halfway thru the discussion, but if he's passing a signal thru SPIDF he's not doing any double DAC'ing (there's only one digital to analog conversion, at the end point)... One device's just working as a processor, like any AVR would when fed thru HDMI (and before speaker output), or like a sound card doing DH then feeding PCM to an AVR...

That being said, I do agree with everything else... Just get an amp, or use the U3 for gaming exclusively, KISS.
Aww, you're sick? Seems a lot of people I know get sick near the change of seasons, maybe the positive side is spring is coming to your area real soon. April showers and all that. Still, I'm sorry you're feeling under the weather, get well soon!

And yeah, processing isn't the same as a digital-to-analogue conversion. I made an error, eep! But it's moot anyway, even without looking I'm almost certain the only output on the Xonar U3 is just an analogue headphone jack (and a mic input), using it with the E17 would only make use of the E17's amp feature (and EQ processing) I think. Now, maaaaybe he wants the E17 to use as a DAC when he's not playing games and just listening to music, but unless he is a diehard music fan he would be spending basically half of the cost of the device on a feature he would rarely use (since the E11 is specified so similar to the E17's amp section, but costs half as much). Like you said, just K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid, he should just stick with the U3 as a DAC and surround processor for PC, and buy an upgraded Amp if needed.

If I had finished my engineering degree, I would've liked to create a kickstarter campaign for a custom gaming sound processor, DAC, amp all-in-one, with all the features like HDMI ports that we would like to see. It would probably cost more than a Mixamp, but it would be an elegant, complete system. I saw a nifty 3D mouse on kickstarter.com that you wear on your finger, it allows you to mouse without removing your hand from the keyboard and also translates distance movements (cuz it's a 3D mouse).
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Hello, everyone. I have been researching through these forums for the last few months. I created a profile so I can personally thank Mad Lust Envy, chicolom, and Evshrug. After purchasing and returning many setups, I finally found my match... thanks to you. I am new to all of this... so my ears feel like I'm in heaven whenever I game or watch movies. I ended up with this setup...
PS3 > Recon3D > Matrix M-Stage (2012 version) > Q701s (with annie pads). I am now damn near broke... but still... thank you, again! dt880smile.png
Lol, sweet, your setup is like an amalgamation of our favorite gear. I've never heard the M-Stage (debated getting one for a while), but Chicolom raves about it and I bet it's awesome smily_headphones1.gif I don't know if you read my Recon3D review, but I have a link in there that points back to a post in this thread where I chronicled my testing and impressions of what each settings adjustment does, and how to save your settings to the device so your changes carry over to using it with your PS3. Then again, you're happy now, so maybe you've already got settings that are best for you wink.gif
Edited by Evshrug - 3/27/13 at 12:02am
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Hello, everyone. I have been researching through these forums for the last few months. I created a profile so I can personally thank Mad Lust Envy, chicolom, and Evshrug. After purchasing and returning many setups, I finally found my match... thanks to you. I am new to all of this... so my ears feel like I'm in heaven whenever I game or watch movies. I ended up with this setup...

PS3 > Recon3D > Matrix M-Stage (2012 version) > Q701s (with annie pads). I am now damn near broke... but still... thank you, again! dt880smile.png

 

That's a sweet setup!   Very similar to minewink.gif

 

 

The only thing I might change is swapping the Recon for a DSS 1.  I haven't heard the Recon though, I just personally tend to prefer Dolby Headphone.

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That's a sweet setup!   Very similar to minewink.gif

 

 

The only thing I might change is swapping the Recon for a DSS 1.  I haven't heard the Recon though, I just personally tend to prefer Dolby Headphone.

 

I can bring mine to the next meet should you want to borrow it for a bit, Chico. I may also have to have a demo set up with it there too, so people can get a feel for the gaming processing.

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