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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Got my babies back!

Oh, how much I missed them!

Yes, I use plural when I speak of headphones. SUE ME.

I'm so happy for you, Sue!
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No. ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

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Obey the overlord, obey, obey....
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frown.gif One of the main problems I often find with headphones is that they press the arms of my glasses into the side of my head...
You ever consider... Different glasses frames? Kinda like those Gunnar gaming glasses, the frame is thin (and maybe close to your head) so they just slip right in under earpads.

Just thinking out of the box.
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Yes, I know I had to shave that day. biggrin.gif

I thought you were going for the manly/ dangerous look.
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

 

If the AG2 does not make an audible improvement to the MDs with its extra power than it will be returned. If it does, however, then that is when the decision will be difficult.

 

This is when having two "plain" desktop amps won't be as overlapping for me, because each is specifically paired to match with a certain headphone and also for a specific purpose. Plus, both rigs are in different stations... not on the same desk.

 

If things go as I expect it will still be hard to let the iCAN go, though...

 

Decisions, decisions...

 

 

I see. 

 

I guess it will all come down to whether the Asgard gives any noticeable audible improvements to the Mad Dogs.  :popcorn:

 

 

For me the effect of the iCan's 3D soundstage switch is more significant, noticeable, and valuable than the effect of just jumping from one $250 solid state amp to another one.  In other words, in my experience jumping between two equally-priced "plain" solid state amps is too subtle a change for me to justify owing them both.  However, i CAN justify (<- get it? ;)) keeping both the M-stage and iCan as they offer more distinct differences in sound and thus how I use them.

 

I haven't used Mad Dogs though, so I don't know how significant a difference they will show between two amps like the M-stage and Asgard 2. 

I just know that I like the iCan enough that it would take a pretty special sounding amp to sound more special than it does for certain music/movies/shows.


Edited by chicolom - 10/21/13 at 9:48pm
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I haven't used Mad Dogs though, so I don't know how significant a difference they will show between two amps like the M-stage and Asgard 2.

I just know that I like the iCan enough that it would take a pretty special sounding amp to sound more special than it does for certain music/movies/shows.

 

Yeah, with the MD being a planar and power hungry that is why I scratched the itch and went with something a bit more powerful. Whether I went powerful enough to justify any improvement or not is the question at hand.

 

MLE, you have enough experience with planars and high powered amps right? What are your thoughts? Will the AG2 be a nice enough jump in output power to justify any improvements on the MD? I know you haven't used any of these amps being discussed, but your experience with the issue at hand could help me out.


Edited by Change is Good - 10/21/13 at 10:01pm
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do headphone price drops fast?

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Originally Posted by jude View Post
 

 

Hype? Yeah, there'll be some. From what I can tell, though, people are mostly commenting on its styling, which is understandable. I mean...look at it.

 

Oppo's making a headphone. It was a surprise to many (certainly to me anyway). That's worthy of discussion here.

 

Some people get all bent out of shape because we as a headphone audio community might want to talk about it a lot...discuss what we hope it'll be like, what we hope it'll sound like...on a headphone audio forum. Should we pretend it's not happening?

 

On car forums, people get excited--and, yes, sometimes hyped-up--about the announcement of a new car, before anyone's actually driven it. On camera forums, people get excited about the announcement of a new camera, before anyone's shot a photo with it. Have you ever been to a forum that covers mobile phone technology? And here, at what has to be one of the busiest of all places in the world for the discussion of headphone audio, we're going to get excited about new headphone and audio gear announcements.

 

When we first opened up Head-Fi back in 2001--and for several years thereafter--we rarely had new stuff to discuss. Now we do.

 

Hype? Yeah, that happens here, and, again, it also happens on just about every other forum about whatever topics and product types its focused on. And, as on those other forums, time proves the heroes after some of the initial excitement dies down. That excitement is called enthusiasm. And many of us...well, we're enthusiasts. It's fun.

 

Here are some tips: don't spend money you haven't got. Don't only listen only to what I (or any other single person) has to say about something. Search the forums, do a little due diligence; reconcile what you're reading with your preferences, and hopefully increase your chance at successfully finding stuff that sounds great to you. You'll find people who review gear whose preferences are reliably more in line with yours, and that's helpful. You'll find people who review gear whose preferences are reliably the polar opposite of yours, and that's helpful, too.

 

You ever go to a Head-Fi Meet, and see the looks on faces of the first-timers (and even many seasoned meet veterans, myself included) as they walk the floor, excitedly looking at gear they've been reading about and wanting to hear, with their chance to finally do that at hand? That'll always be the essence of this place, as far as I'm concerned. Shared enthusiasm.

 

Anyway, sorry to go a bit off the "headphone gaming guide" topic.

 

You could have asked me if I disdain hype in general or if I refrain from or dislike hyping products from manufacturers that haven't proven anything yet. 

If Sennheiser announces their new Electrostat or new dynamic then I get all the hype. If Beyer announces the T2 or Stax something else I understand it as well. All of them proved themselves over decades both in popularity and technicalities. I have nothing against any newcomers. 0.

 

I welcome any other engineer that enters the market with new, maybe bold, innovative products, because we as consumers profit from more and better choice in all price regions. Years ago we had the big three from AKG, Sennheiser and Beyer. Look where we are today but also look how much a of a trap all this hype can be with prices spiraling towards insanity and people falling for flavors of the month, for overhyped products with their special looks (ED10) for definitely overpriced gear. Sure we don't need to have or buy anything, of course nobody forces us to but it's also easily said that it's everybody's own fault. No, we need responsibility as well and one special thing: reason. 

 

The kind of forums where any hint of reason is disdained is like an autistic circle where everybody just claps and hugs each other. It's good that head-fi is a different place where stuff like the ED10 deservedly gets smashed and criticized (though unfortunately over the top by now and too "bandwagonish" seeing how they improved with their Signature). 

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Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

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Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

 

If you use it as an amplifier only, then yes.

If you wanna use it as a DAC/amp, then no.

 

Hope that answers your question :]

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Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

 

Dolby Headphone is just a stereo analog signal, so yes.

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Thread Starter 
Not that I think the E07k is powerful enough to add a noticeable amount of decibels to the Mixamp's signal if you're trying to add a good amount of volume. If so, you're better off with the E12 or a desktop amp.
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If you use it as an amplifier only, then yes.

If you wanna use it as a DAC/amp, then no.

 

Hope that answers your question :]

 

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Dolby Headphone is just a stereo analog signal, so yes.

 

Thanks conquerator and chico. I remember MLE saying that he's using a Xonar U3 > Optical out > Fiio E17 to get DH. That's on a PC/laptop use though, but just wanted to confirm if it works the same on a console but with the use of just a stereo analog.

 

 

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Not that I think the E07k is powerful enough to add a noticeable amount of decibels to the Mixamp's signal if you're trying to add a good amount of volume. If so, you're better off with the E12 or a desktop amp.

 

Oh it's because I found a pretty new E17 for sale at my place for $70 and since I still have an E09k, I thought... why not?

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Thread Starter 
Oh, I misread, I thought you said E07k. Just woke up. frown.gif

In this case, wouldn't it still be better to use the E09k as an amp to help juice the Mixamp?
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Pretty much what I've been doing so far actaully. Mixamp > E09k, not the issue about power. Just thinking if I could use the DAC on the E17 in conjunction with DH but through the aux in/stereo analog way.

 

I'm also in a little dilemma currently to get an E17 or not for my laptop as well where previously I was looking to get an Audioengine D1 for it — until I saw the E17 for sale at $70. So this is like a double usage scenario, you know? :etysmile:

 

Good morning though. :bigsmile_face: 


Edited by benbenkr - 10/22/13 at 4:45am
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Thread Starter 
Sorry, there's no way to use a dac with the Mixamp. At least not my conventional means. It's not worth buying an ADC (analog to digital converter), since the Mixamp's headphone jack would make a horrible source to convert digital just so you can use the E17's dac.

All i could recommend is attaching the Mixamp to the E09k's analog input, docking the E17 to the E09k, and using the USB on the E09k for your laptop. That allows you to use the E17 as the dac for the PC, and the E09k as an amp for both. You could also attach an optical cable to the E17 if you wanna use it as an SPDIF dac (you could for instance feed an optical signal from your computer's soundcard....if it has spdif out capablities, or get something like the Xonar U3 for it).

I should consider reacquiring an E09k, since I already own the E17, though I don't see me needing one in the near future.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/22/13 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

For me the effect of the iCan's 3D soundstage switch is more significant, noticeable, and valuable than the effect of just jumping from one $250 solid state amp to another one.
I don't know what the iCan's soundstage switch sounds like (I'd guess it'd make a "click" sound? Then made audio more soundstagey... By adding crossfeed, echo, or modifying certain frequencies?), but my tube amp is like an always-on soundstage switch.

It has enough power and resolution to help my AKGs sound their best (extension and everything), and I think it colors the midrange somehow which results in greater soundstage and a more fluid presentation.
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Also, this new (to me) Recon3D USB isn't as good as my old one, I get weird distortion artifacts 2-3 times a night while playing my games. And generally, it sounds like a slightly different unit... Hard to actually quantify that and of course it's just based off memory, and the THX processing is the same, there just seem to be a few more quirks about it. Still using it though, nice to get it at a low price.
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