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The 990 is bassy, but most of its bass is mid bass, not deep bass. As far as open cans with deep bass goes, the HE400 and LCD2 hit the deepest. The X1 is very good on deep bass, but bigger on mid bass. If I had to choose on bassiness, definitely the X1 has more of what I look for in terms of emphasis and presence.

You can't expect a lot of deep bass from open cans, and they are few and far between. Don't expect it for cheap, either.

My recommendation for you for gaming of all types is the Philips X1. For more balance, yet still very good bass, the K702 65th Anniversary.


In other news:

Dealzon has a lot of sales for PC games. I just got the last DMC (Devil may Cry) for $24. It's the lowest it's been ever, and I didn't wanna wait any longer for it to go down. I knew it'll probably go down like another $10 in a few months, but I can't wait that long. Been waiting to play that game for like ever.
Thank you for your awesome input! Greatly appreciated! Now, to choose between the X1, HE-400, HE-500 or K702 anniversary. How do they perform in fps compared to the AD700? If I choose the X1 or the HE-400/500, would I be at any disadvantage vs the AD700 in fps? Should I bother buying the HE-500 over the HE-400? BTW, I'll be using a Creative ZXR to drive whichever headphone I choose.
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The X1 is pretty easy to drive I hear. You might be at the slightest of disadvantages with the X1, but the immersion is amazing.

 

Hey, does anyone know if there's a way to make VR Cinema 3D not go into the dual screen mode? I'd love to use it for normal 2d non-rift watching. Or maybe there's a program like it not meant for the rift, just for normal watching?


Edited by daleb - 6/21/13 at 11:10pm
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Daddy, you basically want everything. Have you read my guide? There are tradeoffs. I have wrote about what does fun and competetive well. Nothing compares to the AD700. The closest ones will be the K702 Anniversary if you want fun and competitive, and the X1.
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Daddy, you basically want everything. Have you read my guide? There are tradeoffs. I have wrote about what does fun and competetive well. Nothing compares to the AD700. The closest ones will be the K702 Anniversary if you want fun and competitive, and the X1.
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Thank you for your awesome input! Greatly appreciated! Now, to choose between the X1, HE-400, HE-500 or K702 anniversary. How do they perform in fps compared to the AD700? If I choose the X1 or the HE-400/500, would I be at any disadvantage vs the AD700 in fps? Should I bother buying the HE-500 over the HE-400? BTW, I'll be using a Creative ZXR to drive whichever headphone I choose.

 

A little.

 

You won't beat the AD700s in FPS soundwhoring by throwing more money at pricier headphones.  All of the headphones you mentioned are infinitely more fun and immersive than the AD700, but as you get into warmer bassier signatures the more likely the small details like footsteps/reloading/etc will be obscured.  The AD700s basically present you only those details, with almost non-existant bass -  so no distractions from those details.  Combine that with one of the largest and most accurate sounding soundstages (while using Dolby Headphone) and you can see why they're one of the best cans for soundwhoring - and why they are hard to beat for it.  This has been explained many times in this thread, but I'm repeating it again here (not trying to sound mean or anything).

 

As good as they AD700 are, I will never use them again because I don't need that raw soundwhoring ability and I am willing to sacrifice it for MUCH better immersion in the game.  Out of the list you mentioned, the X1s are my top recommendation. 

 

If you want THE BEST, that will probably be the HD800...


Edited by chicolom - 6/21/13 at 11:19pm
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Like I have said MANY times on this thread, if my competetive score is at least an 8, youre not gonna get do much if any better because a headphone has a 9 or 10.

The AD700 is heavily competitive oriented, but is nowhere near as enjoyable as pretty much any of my other faves that don't score as highly, which I could still dominate competitively with.
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MLE, do you think you'll ever try out the HD800s (or have you already)? Those things are absolutely amazing.

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No. I have no doubt they're fantastic, but won't have the sound signature suited to my preference. I could never spend so much on a headphone that doesn't match my preference, and would basically only be used on occasion. I would be more likely to try out something like the TH900 or LCD3 than the HD800 if I were ever to spend that much money.

Like how I think most of my recent headphones are technically superior to the X1, yet wouldn't ever replace it as the X1 has the balance of sound I prefer. Not to mention things like comfort, soundstage, and being relatively easy to drive. You can get by with an X1 with a portable amp, or for gaming, just the Mixamp alone.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/21/13 at 11:34pm
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Of all the flagships I've tried, the HD800, T1, and TH900 are my favs.

 

The HD800s are a little warmer sounding than the Q701s, but not as much as the Anniversaries.  The treble extends higher than Q701s - the Q701s sound sort of like they hit their head on the upper mid ceiling and stay there too long.  The bass is greater quantity than Q701s, but not as much as the Anniversaries.  The soundstage has some of the best width, depth, and height I've heard in a headphone, and they make the Q701s soundstage sound fairly modest and also a bit flat, blurry and diffuse.  They're also crazy comfortable.  I imagine they would be a lot of fun if you gave them some decent bass boost and maybe somehow smoothed the highs a tad...

 

T1s are also really good, with an impressive soundstage with very good depth and and separation.  They also have surprisingly strong bass impact while being very tight.  The treble was a little peaky on them though, could be an issue...

 

Both the TH900 and D7000 just have some of the most incredible bass you will ever hear from a headphone.  It will rumble your whole body when it reaches down low.  And they have huge soundstages for closed headphones, with plenty of separation.  Sounds like a nice combination for gaming wink.gif

 

 

Hopefully there will be another local meet soon so I can hear them all again (as long as Prepoman shows up!!  eek.gif )

Next time I get time with them I will try to run them each through some Dolby Headphone tests and take notes.


Edited by chicolom - 6/21/13 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post  I imagine they would be a lot of fun if you gave them some decent bass boost and maybe somehow smoothed the highs a tad...

This is exactly what the Anaxilus mod does.

 

 

The yellow line being after mod.

 

Okay, so I think I just had the most fun I've ever had watching a movie through the VR Cinema 3D, without the Oculus. Meaning I only saw the movie on 1/6th of my laptop screen. Maybe it has to do with my huge sub-bass boot on my already sub-bass heavy headphones, but man is this program amazing. Its better then an actual theater by miles! I really need to find a way to put this into non-2 screen mode.

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At one point in the pasg, I was very close to getting the T1. I was moments from sending payment, but I backed out. frown.gif

I think its because it doesn't have as much bass as the 990, which I was too accustomed to.

I'm 100% positive I would love them, but as I said before, I couldn't justify spending so much on a headphone that didn't have my preference in balance between bass and treble.

To be honest, if the X1 had more mids and slightly less treble, I'd be even more in love. But then again, that would collapse the soundstage a bit, and make them less appealing for gaming. Not saying it has a problematic treble (it surely doesn't), but I miss my LCD2 and Annie mids.
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Maybe it has to do with my huge sub-bass boot on my already sub-bass heavy headphones...

 

 

You have headphones that don't just stay linear through the sub-bass but are actually sub-bass heavy?!

 

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At one point in the pasg, I was very close to getting the T1. I was moments from sending payment, but I backed out. frown.gif

I think its because it doesn't have as much bass as the 990, which I was too accustomed to.

I'm 100% positive I would love them, but as I said before, I couldn't justify spending so much on a headphone that didn't have my preference in balance between bass and treble.

To be honest, if the X1 had more mids and slightly less treble, I'd be even more in love. But then again, that would collapse the soundstage a bit, and make them less appealing for gaming. Not saying it has a problematic treble (it surely doesn't), but I miss my LCD2 and Annie mids.

 

Like I said, the T1s have a surprising amount of bass impact.  More then the Anniversaries.  This bass is also sort of accentuated by their "U" response.  You would like them, but maybe not enough to hang on to them.  I think the treble might be too bright.

 

I don't want less treble from the X1.  They're already smooth sounding, and they don't have that much more treble than the Anniversaries as it is.  They could handle having a tad more mids and probably not have too many side effects from it.  Their mids aren't bad or anything, they're just not great like on the Anniversaries.

 

With that said, the X1s balance makes them special for gaming and movies, and if you screwed with that too much might they would lose that and just become similar to the Anniversaries and HD650s. 

Like I said a while ago "You can't fault the Anniversaries for being more balanced, and neither can you fault the X1s for being more fun.  ONE single headphone can't simultaneously be both flat and balanced AND bassy and fun."


Edited by chicolom - 6/22/13 at 1:06am
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The X1 is smooth overall, but it does have a peak at 10khz, and it's pretty audible at times. That's where I'm sure the X1 sparkle comes from. It's crazy, like in some music, 'S' sounds sound great, but then it others, it sounds a bit too glossed over and muffled. I wish the X1 didn't have such a steep cliff after 10khz. I'm sure it's why the sibilance is in check, but there are tradeoffs. Considering most people can hear up to around 16khz, that's some information that is basically non-existent on the X1.

From Innerfidelity.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/22/13 at 1:21am
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You have headphones that don't just stay linear through the sub-bass but are actually sub-bass heavy?!

 

 

 

 

Sometimes I wonder if these headphones (the HD 280s) were just straight up designed for movies. It turns out DJing and movies overlap in what you need for immersion. The sub-bass is amazing.  It lacks in mid-bass, though. It's why I often say open headphones are bass heavy. They have such a boost compared to what I'm used to there. No sub bass like these though. These will shake your head from the force of its sub bass. I'd love to hear the D7000s next to these. If you read reviews, though *cough*MLE*cough*... You'll find many people see them as the most uncomfortable headphones ever made. Sad seeing as how well they work for immersion purposes.

 

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...Well... I heard I like sub-bass...

 

Sadly, I don't get to experience it nearly as well as I should. I decided one day I wanted to see how loud the sub-bass can go before they start distorting(pro-tip, they don't ever start)... So I opened Up FL Studios, and started running a sine wave somewhere around 40hz. I got it up to almost the clipping point (0db), and I just couldn't get it to do anything but play that sine wave. You know what is a good idea when you do volume tests on your headphones? Not wearing them. So, yeah, now I hear sub-bass about 10 db quieter then everyone else. Its why I'm not especially a lover of the sub-bass, I can't hear the power of it until there's a 10 db boost above neutral (or I just turn up the volume really loud).


Edited by daleb - 6/22/13 at 1:30am
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Sub bass is something easily found on CLOSED headphones like the 280. Try finding it on open headphones that aren't planar magnetic.

Also graphs don't represent what we hear as a whole. The D7000 completely demolishes the 280 in sub bass, yet the graph doesn't show that.

The TH900 graph actually represents more of how the D7000 sounds like than the D7000 graph. It's crazy.



The D7000 is known to have MORE bass than the TH900, so yeah. The D7000 doesn't make sense to me. The main difference I'd say from that graph, is that the mid bass would drop sooner, as the D7000's mid bass isn't THAT potent. It's more in line with the mids.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/22/13 at 1:28am
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