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There is a word from the 90's, I think it is an applicable retort here: you numbskull :P

Meh, my skull is about twice as thick as the average skull, anyways. I often have things fall on the top of my head and don't notice until I see it. I like one of the explanations given by a user on this website: the less vitamin D you have, the more sensitive your Parietal bone (part of the skull) is.

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Been away for a while; Steam (and windows troubleshooting) have kept me busy.
Shankdude,
I don't know if you'll read this, but I would advise NOT to buy the HD201. I gifted a pair to my mom, but they were not comfortable for both of us, and the sound wasn't very special. They are available for like $15 in the USA... if that's your budget, you really have few options. The HD202 is worth the extra money, based on comfort alone. It was actually a fun headphone to listen to — though treble suffered from some distortion (and sound is overall not very refined), this is actually a very good sounding headphone among low-price options. I personally used a Sennheiser PX100 for about 6 years, and I was pretty happy with those. I still have them and they work well, but I need to replace the foam ear cushions, they have basically worn through.

Koss is another brand besides Sennheiser you should look into. Even their cheap earclip (Koss KSC75) and sporta-pro or porta-pro models sound good for the price, though the porta-pro may be out of your budget ($45 in the USA: http://www.amazon.com/Koss-PortaPro-Headphones-with-Case/dp/B00001P4ZH).

JVC is worth researching too. I liked the HA-RX900 (modded with a little pinch of cotton in the earcup to smooth the treble, and the earcup surface dampened with Dynamat to reduce resonance and make the bass more clean), which may also be out of your budget, but I've read good reviews about their on-ear portable headphones and their JVC Marshmallow in-ear buds.


Hey thanks for the reply :)
even though i was expecting more no of replies but it seems that only you replied :(

I can get HD 202 too but do they provide same surround and do good job at competitive gameplay like HD 201's? 
because i didnt hear much of then in gaming forums ,all i heard about were 201's

and BTW thanks for suggestions 
but koss , jvc etc have warranty issues in my country as they are generally imported from USA
so can u please suggest me headphones from brands like Sennheiser, Sony, Creative, Phillips, Panasonic 
in the range of about 50 $
also i will be getting Xonar U3 usb sound card for gaming on my lappy 
willl that do the job ?

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Ah that makes sense the hdmi is pretty rare on laptops. Never really looked for that feature so can't recommend any other brands. But hope things work out with it and it needs your needs otherwise. Hopefully the black screen issue can be fixed eventually.

I'd suggest Acer, they are easily my favorite laptop company, and mine does have an HDMI port.


Edited by daleb - 5/14/13 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It has an HDMI input, which is the only reason I bought it over other laptops. You can't find laptops with HDMI inputs.

Anyone using the Recond 3D... how the hell do I set up the virtual surround for pc use? Sigh, this is one good reason why I don't bother with PC gaming.

 

I followed Evshrug's information to configure my Recon3D, I like the way it sounds after following his suggestions from this thread. I primarily run mine on OS X, but the system software is the same when I boot into windows.

 

The rest lies in the in-game audio settings.

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Hey thanks for the reply smily_headphones1.gif
even though i was expecting more no of replies but it seems that only you replied frown.gif
We get a LOT of info requests in this thread, however the point of post #1 was to be a review guide of suggested headphones for gaming, so generally the way the thread regulars think is "read the first post, that's what we would recommend anyway." It's not like we're paid to help strangers, but sometimes we like to do it anyway. I don't mind giving you a few suggestions, particularly because you appreciate them. I hope they help, but are you familiar with the saying "scraping at the bottom of the barrel?" There are VERY few suggestions among headphones at the HD201's pricepoint, and that's why some of my suggestions may be stretching your budget. Sorry about your wallet frown.gif

I can get HD 202 too but do they provide same surround and do good job at competitive gameplay like HD 201's?
because i didnt hear much of then in gaming forums, all i heard about were 201's
The Sennheiser HD201's are cheaper, that's why they're recommended among the cheapest gaming options. IMO the Sennheiser HD 202's don't lose anything to the HD201, just gain a little comfort and SQ. Surround will be about the same with either headphone.

and BTW thanks for suggestions 
but koss, jvc etc have warranty issues in my country as they are generally imported from USA
so can u please suggest me headphones from brands like Sennheiser, Sony, Creative, Phillips, Panasonic in the range of about 50 $
Uh, didn't I just recommend a Sennheiser headphone first? Apart from what I already said, in those brands I can only recommend "any headphone from Sony, Creative, Phillips, or Panasonic that costs less than 50 in Brazilian currency." Generally, I DON'T recommend those other brands besides Sennheiser for gaming – the only Creative headphone I KNOW is good is the Creative Aurvana Live! (CAL!, reviewed in the first post), which is a rebranded Denon headphone that was well-regarded but retired.

Generally, all your electronics stuff will be imported from somewhere, is there something particularly bad about importing from the USA? When I think "cheap but good gaming and music headphone," I think Koss KSC75 Clip-ons (recently rebranded as the Koss "Pulse" KSC75 headphones). I just bought a Koss clip-on two days ago on Amazon, for myself. It was only $10 USD.


also i will be getting Xonar U3 usb sound card for gaming on my lappy 
will that do the job ?
The Xonar U3 USB soundcard ought to do the job fine, it is an appropriate choice for the headphones you're looking at.

Overall, I hope I helped, and that you are happy with what you can get smily_headphones1.gif



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I followed Evshrug's information to configure my Recon3D, I like the way it sounds after following his suggestions from this thread. I primarily run mine on OS X, but the system software is the same when I boot into windows.

The rest lies in the in-game audio settings.

Thanks for reading my suggestions! Do you think I should revive my suggestions and discussion thread? I actually posted most of the settings in this thread here, and linked to that from my thread, LOL! I liked the way the Recon3D USB sounded too... I honestly miss the thing: If I install an internal soundcard, dual booting between Win & Mac will be a... pain.

And yes, the in-game settings are also significant. In Starcraft II for example, be sure to pick the Recon3D from the devices list, set audio to "Surround," quality to "High," and slide up the number of channels/simultaneous sounds that can play. In every game I imagine you have to point the sound towards the Recon3D and set your surround settings.

I think it's ironic that, right now, Mad has a Recon3D device, and I have a Dolby Headphone device.
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Currently revisiting the AKG K240. 

I'll have some impressions up in a bit....

Also, I went to another Head-Fi meet over the weekend and will post some impressions on the HD650, Stax SR-303, Denon D2000/5000, HE300, and a couple others...

Sounds like you didn't break them in enough on your fist evaluation, looking forward to the results.
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No offense Mshenay, I love ya but if you want companies to pay you for reviews, your writing will have to change from 4chan to professional and become more clear and correct in grammar and spelling.

YUP. I have a nice big BS button I can hit when I need to. But yea... my spelling and grammar are terrible... something I need to work on as I'm about to start working as a Pc Tech... or I can do video reviews since I'm 10x better at public speaking than I am at writing down words... 

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I'd suggest Acer, they are easily my favorite laptop company, and mine does have an HDMI port.

HDMI OUTPUT, NOT INPUT

I dunno how people still don't get that.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


HDMI OUTPUT, NOT INPUT

I dunno how people still don't get that.


Whats that even mean? I haven't read this conversation, I jumped in just with that post :P

 

edit: Wait, a laptop screen can even do that?! Since when did this evolution occur in laptops?

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Mad, I want to send you these 840s once I burn them in real decent. I swear they remind me a lot of the M50 but I would like your take on this. I know you are pretty much in the higher tier, nowadays, so I would like to contribute a borderline tier B to the thread (giving people with lower budgets another option on the list).


Edited by Change is Good - 5/14/13 at 9:36pm
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Whats that even mean? I haven't read this conversation, I jumped in just with that post :P

edit: Wait, a laptop screen can even do that?! Since when did this evolution occur in laptops?

Exactly. A laptop screen that doubles as a monitor for external devices? Yes please. My biggest gripe with the M17x is that the screen isn't as good as my ex's DV8T screen which was amazing, but still, it's decent. That, and the fact the computer has to be on for the HDMI input to work, so even if I don't need the laptop to be on, it has to be on if I wanna play my PS3, etc.
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It's too bad MGO was gone by the time I heard of it. I guess that's because I was only focused on what would be available on the system I had. Still, I wish I had been able to play some Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory in Surround before THAT game's mp shut down. The new SC game's emphasis on action seems to further the direction SC: Conviction was going... I'm going to miss the old voice actor.

Didn't know there were MGO players here, well, the one person that posted :D

 

Evshrug, you can get some idea of what MGO was like with MGS Peace Walker Online. It's very similar, headshot focused and 3rd person shooter, it has a few faults tho, lag being one but if you play with friends and people that have good internet, it's not an issue, also it's only 3vs3 but considering it's just a handheld game ported over to console, it's pretty good and it's about the closest thing to MGO there is right now.

 

Fair bit of warning here if you do decide to get it, you can only use weapons you unlock in the campaign in the online mode, and I would advise you to unlock some good Rank 5 ARs, namely ADM65 or M16A1 if you want to play the online mode, otherwise you'd be at a pretty big disadvantage. If you or anyone here wants to try it, pm me your PSNs, I'll be happy to guide you through it.

 

And yes RIP MGO, best shooter ever made.

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Here's my AKG K240 review:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/664045/akg-k240-studio-comparison-review

 

 

AKG K240 Review (Click to show)

 

AKG K240 Studio | Comparison & Review


So, I've tested the AKG K240s again.  I say "again" because these were actually my first decent headphone, before the AD700s even.  This was many years ago, back when I barely knew anything about headphones and wasn't aware that sites like Head-Fi existed.  I now have A LOT more experience with different headphones and I can gauge their sound more easily.  

 

 

Comfort 

 

  • I'll just get this out of the way and say that unfortunately the comfort is absolutely a deal breaker for me, all because of the shallow pleather pads.  I would never use them for very long in real-life as my ears get hot, itchy, and ache after just a few minutes of wearing them.  I should know since I used to own a pair.  Those same pads pushed me to trade them for another headphone - the CALs.  CALs are definitely comfier with roomier ear cups and better pleather.  You can get velours for the K240 (which will no doubt change the sound as well) but I personally never bothered with it as I'm not that invested in them.

 

 

Sound

 

The K240s are warm and dark with a thick full sound that's pleasing and non-fatiguing thanks to smoothened highs.  It has a medium sized soundstage with decent imaging.  The signature sounds similar-ish to a slightly warmer-tilted and muffled version of the K702 Anniversary.  There are definitely some technicality deficiencies on the K240s when you compare them to the flagship AKGs (some muddiness, slow speed, smaller soundstage, less separation, worse extension with rolled off highs and sub-bass).  The K240 are 55 ohms and take about 2 less "o'clocks" then the Anniversary on the volume dial.

 

When compared against the CALs, I find the CALs to be more V-Shaped with sharper treble and stronger bass quantity.  The K240 is more balanced IMO, and I generally prefer their sound.  The CALs are more "fun" though, which makes them more suited for certain genres whereas the K240 are more general "all-rounders."

 

 

Bass

 

  • They K240 have a satisfying low-end with decent thump to the bass.  While I wouldn't exactly call them bass-heavy (like I would the CAL!) they might give that impression because of their dark sounding frequency tilt without much high end to balance out the lows.  In reality they're similar to the anniversary and HD650 in terms of bass amount - a little tasteful emphasis but not really a "bass-heavy" emphasis.  The Anniversaries do have just a bit more bass quantity, but it's also lot faster, tighter, and of a higher quality.  The K240's bass is a bit slow and doesn't have great texture or variety to its sound (not that I'm expecting it to at its price!). The K240 definitely has more bass then the Q701.  The CAL has stronger bass then either AKG (the CAL is officially "bass-heavy" IMO).  I personally think the CAL has a little too much bass for most gaming (to the point where it can be obtrusive.)


Mids

 

  • The mids are pretty thick, full, and warm/dark sounding.  I think they stand out a little bit more because there isn't as much treble to balance them out.

 

 

Treble

 

  • The treble is a little rolled of and recessed.  The Anniversaries are noticeably airier, and that's kind of saying something as the anniversaries are already on the warmer side of the spectrum for me.  I personally need more air than the K240 have to offer, especially for things like Classical music.  This rolled off high end makes them sound a bit muffled at times, but it does give them a smooth non fatiguing signature.  You'll be bothered by something else (pads!) before the treble bothers you.


Soundstage

 

 

  • The soundstage is medium sized and imaging is pretty decent.  Sounds transition fairly smoothly through the space.  The imaging tries to behave in a similar style to how the x70x images, but it simply doesn't have the same soundstage space or separation to work with, so it comes of sounding a little unremarkable in the end.   I think it does a pretty good job of imaging with what it's given to work with though.

 

  • The K240 soundstage is larger than the CAL, and I find the imaging is better too (I find the CAL a bit un-smooth and jumpy when panning around).  I would recommend the K240 over the CAL for gaming (although K240 is semi-open, and CAL is closed - so they're not exactly in the same category).

 

  • I'm 99% sure the HD5xx beats the K240 for soundstage size and accuracy (seeing as the PC360 had an excellent soundstage that held it's own against the Q701).  So I wouldn't really recommend the K240 for competitive gaming.  For single player though, the K240 is full and thick which will give them a more fun and immersive sound at the expense of a less impressive soundstage.
     

 

 

So to sum up: They're pretty warm with a thick full sound, a bit of fun bass emphasis, and smooth treble.  They have a medium sized soundstage with decent imaging, but nothing spectacular.

I do like the signature and sound coming from them, but I personally want more air, more soundstage size & separation, and better technicalities (faster articulation, speed, bass quality and texture, greater detail and refinement, etc.) which, guess what...is EXACTLY what the Anniversary gives me.

 

...Also, did I mention I hate the pads?  angry_face.gif


Edited by chicolom - 5/15/13 at 3:03am
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Anyways, looks like I'm keeping the comp. It does play games quite well. Sleeping Dogs on all max except Anti-Aliasing on normal was running smooth as butter.

Any single player games with controller support I should look into?

Considering Bioshock infinite, Tomb Raider, DmC.

Also, I really need to do some way to map the mouse and keyboard into my controller... I really wanna play Mass Effect 2 and 3 on the PC...

 

XInput-native (specially tailored to X360 pads only), or are DirectInput games that you have to set up the controls in-game (to ensure they match up with your gamepad) fine too?

 

Note that for DirectInput-based games, the stock Xbox 360 controller drivers usually suck for those because you're not given the choice to make the triggers act as split axes or buttons, nor can you adjust the analog stick deadzone at the driver level. You can use XBCD instead, but then you have to finagle with X360CE to get XInput support back. (My solution is simply to use different gamepads, because I've got tons of the things lying around! Probably need to sell some...anyone want a Logitech Dual Action or F710?)

 

Generally speaking, on the Steam store pages, they do give a good indication of whether or not the game is controller-enabled, and how well. If not, you could give JoyToKey, Xpadder, or even GlovePIE a shot.

 

Now, as for game recommendations...Dark Souls goes without saying (assuming you don't own the PS3 version already), Binary Domain might be your cup of tea and has painfully gamepad-oriented menus (you don't even have a mouse cursor when playing with KB+M!), Serious Sam's a blast if you like classic "kill everything else that moves" shooters, and some of the recent PC releases in the Ys series are also sold on Steam these days if you're looking for action-JRPGs.

 

While the Mass Effect PC releases strangely don't seem to have a gamepad control option, I definitely recall a fan patch for ME1 restoring the old gamepad controls. Might want to look into that.

 

Of course, it would help somewhat if our tastes meshed together a bit better and you weren't so anti-KB+M...that, and a lot of the other games I could suggest were made for flight sticks (paired with throttles and rudder pedals, ideally), not gamepads.

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post
It has an HDMI input, which is the only reason I bought it over other laptops. You can't find laptops with HDMI inputs.

Anyone using the Recon3D... how the hell do I set up the virtual surround for pc use? Sigh, this is one good reason why I don't bother with PC gaming.

 

You actually have a Recon3D USB? Didn't think you ran out and bought one after that review...hell, I would have offered mine again! (Dropping to $60 shipped, if by some chance anyone out there is still interested.)

 

First things first (assuming you installed the drivers already): right-click your volume control icon in the lower-right system tray/notification area, click "Playback devices", click on the item in the list that corresponds to the Recon3D USB, click the "Configure" button, and set it to 5.1/7.1 Surround there, otherwise all it's getting is stereo.

 

Then you open up the Recon3D's control panel, and make sure that the Surround option is on. It defaults at around 67%, but you might find it better-sounding if you jacked it all the way up to 100%, for all I know.

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No, no. My soundcard is the Recon 3Di or whatever. It has the same thing as the USB one.
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