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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/big-bottom-and-lively-top-philips-fidelio-x1

Look at that frequency response! This looks like the better alternative to the DT990!

Ive wanted a headphone like that for AGES. What sucks, the headband is undoubtedly going to be too small for my head, and then there's the fact that they still aren't in stock.

 

 

Nice!

 

I checked out the review, and I'm happy to see the frequency response is impressively linear and doesn't suck out the mids or have a bunch holes.  So they don't sacrifice mids to get their fun sound (unlike most "fun" headphones).  They have impressive bass, are tilted towards warm, and they still have air up top (but not too much - not excessive like DT990) and sound spacious with good imaging.  Who needs a closed headphone when you can get all that < !!

 

Sounds like my kind of bassy/fun headphone.  

 

They also look very comfortable and classy as hell.

 

 

When are they getting in stock?  I want to hear them.

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- "A big-bass headphone with good dynamics, and even response across the board with airy spaciousness. Bloody amazing!"

 

- "The Philips Fidelio X1 has the uncanny ability to be both a big bass headphone and deliver an airy spacious sound. I've simply never heard that before in a headphone, and now that I have, I'm hooked. Yup, these are going on the Wall of Fame as the best open basshead headphones I've heard to date."


Edited by chicolom - 3/23/13 at 9:13pm
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http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-Signature-DJ-Headphones/dp/B009U5IALW/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1364098105&sr=1-14&keywords=ultrasone+dj

Fege, I lol'd at the product description. Hahahaha.


Yeah, I'm gonna hold out to get the X1, and if I have to return them, well Amazon can blame Philips for not accommodating larger heads. I absolutely must attempt to make them work, as that is basically all I've ever wanted. A perfected alternative to the 990 with smoother highs and better mids. Sounds like a nice compliment to my LCD2.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/23/13 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Wasn't trying to discredit you man. And yeah, I say all the time that one method of processing will have varying levels of effectiveness per person. However, you did mention EAX, and you mentioned a "technically good but dead/outdated feature of Creative cards" without specifying what that was. I linked the two, cuz I agree EAX is kinda "meh" and kinda been left behind, but i wanted to point out 3D surround isn't completely dead, I've been finding new games occasionally that offer it through one method or another. Nameless is still the expert. In a run-'n-gun FPS like CoD, 5.1 surround is usually fine and 3D audio doesn't provide a benefit, but sometimes it helps to hear above and below you too. 3D Audio > 5.1/7.1 home theater surround > stereo > mono, they're all different levels of performance, sure you could play and probably be pretty competitive with mono audio, but... it's still worth saying "I want the best" so that the option is offered more often. I wouldn't mind if Creative wasn't the main supporter, they don't seem to be doing a very good job of marketing it.

Nah, what I was alluding to, if it wasn't clear, is that people (specially on PC forums) often say Creative cards are better for gaming based on old stereotypes from half a dozen years ago when nearly every other game had some level of EAX support so you pretty much had to have a Creative card for PC gaming if you wanted to listen to what the developers intended.

EAX went the way of the dodo tho, along with Direct3D hardware acceleration for sound effects... So now there's really nothing particularly special that makes X-Fi cards all around better for games than any of the Xonar/Essence/Phoebus cards (or Creative's own Z line, which is newer, those aren't even using CMSS-3D anymore I think?)... Just comes down to personal preference between DH, CMSS, or whatever.

Games that do their own software rendering for 3D audio would work equally well with either card I think no? I guess it gets kinda convoluted when you mix both things, not as as standardized as consoles, obviously... That's the entire point of PC gaming tho. biggrin.gif
Edited by Impulse - 3/23/13 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/big-bottom-and-lively-top-philips-fidelio-x1

Look at that frequency response! This looks like the better alternative to the DT990!

Ive wanted a headphone like that for AGES. What sucks, the headband is undoubtedly going to be too small for my head, and then there's the fact that they still aren't in stock.

Pretty impressive showing indeed, Tyll liked them better than I thought he would... The FR kinda tells the whole story tho. I really wanna try them now and see how they do for gaming, given the spacious nature he pinned to them.

My only fear is that I'll be too used to the brighter and more neutral DT 880, and I also wanna try the Mad Dogs which are also closer to neutral I think... Guess I'll just have to keep them for a while and resale. Gonna have to rethink my setup if I end up keeping the X1 for my desk, ugh... The STX's 10 ohm output impedance is too high for them. I was actually gonna get an amp for the living room, didn't wanna have to get one for my desk/PC.

I guess either the Beyer (250) or Mad Dogs might be fine off my AVR tho, but then I'll have to get something with pre-amp outs for the desk, blah. (Asgard 2?)
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lol@that description normal_smile%20.gif

 

I have a big head and the X1 was no problem for me, I don't have a problem with the PC360 either. K701, Q701 however pierced me from above. 

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Asgard 2 would be what I'd get for anything that wasn't planar magnetic and I didnt own my Compass 2.

I'm fairly certain the X1 will be brighter than the Mad Dogs...
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What's wrong with the Asgard 2 for planars? I'll accept a PM if it's too OT here... tongue.gif

Truthfully I was just aiming for something cheaper for my living room, like the Magni, guess I'll figure it out once I give both headphones a go. Probably getting the Magni either way to have a decent reference that isn't my STX (with it's 10 ohm z-out) or my AVR (which I haven't compared to much).
Edited by Impulse - 3/23/13 at 9:42pm
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Planars can handle a bunch of power. The Asgard 2 tops out at just over 1 watt, while planars can handle many times more than that. Not that its bad, but for planars, I'd wanna top them out as much as I could. For example, A-GD amps give planars at least twice that. But the Asgard is comparable at higher impedances, so it's good for everything else.
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Originally Posted by Impulse View Post
Nah, what I was alluding to, if it wasn't clear, is that people (specially on PC forums) often say Creative cards are better for gaming based on old stereotypes from half a dozen years ago when nearly every other game had some level of EAX support so you pretty much had to have a Creative card for PC gaming if you wanted to listen to what the developers intended.

EAX went the way of the dodo tho, along with Direct3D hardware acceleration for sound effects... So now there's really nothing particularly special that makes X-Fi cards all around better for games than any of the Xonar/Essence/Phoebus cards (or Creative's own Z line, which is newer, those aren't even using CMSS-3D anymore I think?)... Just comes down to personal preference between DH, CMSS, or whatever.

Games that do their own software rendering for 3D audio would work equally well with either card I think no? I guess it gets kinda convoluted when you mix both things, not as as standardized as consoles, obviously... That's the entire point of PC gaming tho. biggrin.gif

 

If only OpenAL remained the standard for PC games...EFX effects that work with any audio device instead of just EAX, and the choice to use either the hardware OpenAL renderer with proper X-Fi cards or a capable software one like Rapture3D that works regardless of what audio device you have. Microsoft can't kill it off, either, since it's OS-independent.

 

But alas, that's not how it turned out...nowadays, you'd be lucky to find a game that even supports OpenAL, and even out of those, some titles like Amnesia: The Dark Descent and Borderlands 2 don't exactly make it straightforward to enable.

 

As you know by now, I do place a bit more emphasis on classic PC gaming than most people...to the point of building a retrogaming desktop with THREE sound cards in it. (Four if I ever get my hands on a Roland MT-32 or one of its deriatives.) One for DOS (AWE32/AWE64 Gold), one for Win9x-era games with A3D 2.0 and 3.0 support (Montego II), and of course, one for WinXP and everything DS3D and OAL with EAX (X-Fi Prelude). All that because my main desktop in its Win7 64-bit, quad-core, DX10 glory does NOT play nice with certain old games, or is forced to run them with certain features missing that depend on very specific hardware. Not even the X-Fi is the end-all be-all of retro PC gaming compatibility, funny as that may seem.

 

I also find the MIDI synthesizer with SoundFont support that the X-Fi cards boast of value, seeing as it saves me from having to fiddle with BASSMIDI or anything else to make those DOS-era classics sound really nice. Not all Doom/Rise of the Triad/Descent/Duke Nukem 3D/etc. source ports let me load whatever MIDI samples I desire, or play nice with BASSMIDI.

 

And of course, there's the fact that the Sound Core3D products only offer THX TruStudio/SBX Pro Surround, which still doesn't compare to CMSS-3D Headphone for me, not even for software-mixed sources.

 

In the end, though, that makes for two selling points that only apply to older PC games, and one more that's highly YMMV.

 

Finally, the one selling point most of the rival cards have over the X-Fi Titanium HD-that FiiO E9-esque headphone amp IC-just happens to be the one that's completely and utterly pointless to anyone running Stax or other electrostatics. Still didn't sound bad at all with the HE-400 connected to the headphone-out, proper headphone amp circuit or not, but perhaps orthodynamics are more tolerant of higher output impedances in general.

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STAX SR-407 w/ SRM-252S Amp + HeadAmp Pico USB DAC

Gonna get all this on loan for a few days in the next coming weeks. biggrin.gif
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Woah, when did I become a Headphoneus Supremus? Last I checked, I was just +1,000 posts.

 

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Originally Posted by Impulse View Post


Nah, what I was alluding to, if it wasn't clear, is that people (specially on PC forums) often say Creative cards are better for gaming based on old stereotypes from half a dozen years ago when nearly every other game had some level of EAX support so you pretty much had to have a Creative card for PC gaming if you wanted to listen to what the developers intended.

EAX went the way of the dodo tho, along with Direct3D hardware acceleration for sound effects... So now there's really nothing particularly special that makes X-Fi cards all around better for games than any of the Xonar/Essence/Phoebus cards (or Creative's own Z line, which is newer, those aren't even using CMSS-3D anymore I think?)... Just comes down to personal preference between DH, CMSS, or whatever.

Games that do their own software rendering for 3D audio would work equally well with either card I think no? I guess it gets kinda convoluted when you mix both things, not as as standardized as consoles, obviously... That's the entire point of PC gaming tho. biggrin.gif

Correct, Creatives new cards use SBX Pro Studio instead of CMSS-3D. Direct3D may be gone, but that isn't the only option for providing 3D positional data for sound, and new games still use OpenAL, FMOD, and other ones I'm learning about. Dolby Headphone will always be limited to 2D "circle of speakers" surround rather than a sphere, unless the game itself is "double-processing" surround (kinda like double-amping). But yeah, if CMSS-3D or SBX (or THX) don't sound "right" or surround to a person's ears, that person should look elsewhere.

 

I personally don't care about EAX :D

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Pretty sure it's 1500 posts.
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On another note, I actually am finally putting my AD700 up for sale. I actually put it up as a complete bundle with the Recon3D, so somebody can have all the stuff they need for an awesome surround gaming experience cheaper than buying a new Mixamp by itself. I also FINALLY did something I kept forgetting and putting off for years... take a white-balanced photo of the AD700. There are so many variations in google images of the AD700's tint of color on it's grills - it's really a light purple, but I didn't exactly know looking online because in some photos it looked pink or a darker purple. I kinda wish I had white paper underneath it and I'd taken the picture in overcast sunlight... but sometimes you just gotta finish.





Also, the Recon3D definitely has a TRON feeling to it, yeah?



Edited by Evshrug - 3/23/13 at 11:40pm
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What are you replacing the Recon with?
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Well, I may be moving very soon, now that I have income, so I'll have space for a Marantz receiver (like yours). I also hope to pick up a sound card for my PC. So, I won't have the convenience of an all-in-one, but I don't/won't have the same space and financial limits I had last summer.

Also, in reference to the Ultrasone Signature DJ, the product description makes me think of this meme:

Edited by Evshrug - 3/23/13 at 11:47pm
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