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post #12001 of 32003
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Originally Posted by illbleed View Post

So what would be a better set up..

dt990 Pros with a desktop amp (recommended?) plus mod mic/ mic attachement


q701 with mixamp plus mod mic?

i can only really afford to buy the q701, or keep my ddt990s and just buy a amp plus a mod mic.

That's a tough one... If both are properly amp'd it's kind of a matter of personal preference between the DT 990 & Q701, and you did say you were loving the former even without an amp no?

You could try getting an amp like the Magni ($100, cheaper than a new pair of headphones) in order to figure out what you may be missing right now, it should absolutely make a difference for the Beyers... But if for some reason it disappoints you can just return it and then look at other headphones/options (tho realistically the Q701 need an amp to play optimally as well).

I'm assuming you'd keep the mixamp either way since you already have it, the way your post's worded makes it seem like you'd only have it with the 701's.
Edited by Impulse - 2/28/13 at 2:18am
post #12002 of 32003
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Originally Posted by Impulse View Post


That's a tough one... If both are properly amp'd it's kind of a matter of personal preference between the DT 990 & Q701, and you did say you were loving the former even without an amp no?

You could try getting an amp like the Magni ($100, cheaper than a new pair of headphones) in order to figure out what you may be missing right now, it should absolutely make a difference for the Beyers... But if for some reason it disappoints you can just return it and then look at other headphones/options (tho realistically the Q701 need an amp to play optimally as well).

I'm assuming you'd keep the mixamp either way since you already have it, the way your post's worded makes it seem like you'd only have it with the 701's.

no you were right, id use it for either headphones (the mixamp).

I see.. i do love my dt990s, but i guess i just feel like spending. lol. 

i almost bought a pair of q701s for 170 today, but someone out bid me T.T

but i think ill try buying an amp.. i just really wanna get the q701s cause i hear so many good things.

post #12003 of 32003
You can always buy the Q701 the next time you spot a deal and then sell the Beyers, they've got a decent resale value.
post #12004 of 32003
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

If I get the D7000, I'm gonna order some Lawton pads, which are real leather. Having used the LCD2, I see that leather pads are a bit better in comfort than pleather. My skin doesn't stick to it, and doesn't irritate it as much. I still would prefer velour, but I can live with leather pads.

That's a big if. Guess we'll find out in 5 days.

Not gonna lie, if the HE-400 was with me right now, I'd have a listing up on the FS section. If it sold, then yes, the D7000 would be a yes.

MLE, have you considered trying the Audeze Vegan Pads for the D7000?  I know they'll fit, but I've not seen anyone try the Vegan Pads specifically on any Denons.  They're a little cheaper too!

 

LCD-2 Pads on some Denons:

post #12005 of 32003
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I'm afraid of what it will do to the sound. I was thinking of just getting some Lawton pads, but now you got me curious. Does Audeze have a return period for the pads? I'm close to getting a D7000, so...
post #12006 of 32003
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'm afraid of what it will do to the sound. I was thinking of just getting some Lawton pads, but now you got me curious. Does Audeze have a return period for the pads? I'm close to getting a D7000, so...

I've never purchased anything from them personally so I'm not sure, but based on what others have said there is little to no effect on the sound aside from reports of slightly more soundstage.  This of course would be on LCD-2 and LCD-3 themselves, so I can't say how they'd effect the D7000.  They look insanely comfy, though...I thought I'd mention it because I've seen you prefer velour and the like, plus they would kinda match the D7000 cups. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586157/audeze-lcd-2-vegan-earpads-feedback-installation-mini-review

http://www.head-fi.org/t/636157/audeze-vegan-pads-vs-lambskin-comfort-and-sound

 

No harm in asking Audeze if they have a return policy on the pads, though: http://audeze.zendesk.com/anonymous_requests/new

post #12007 of 32003

soo I really like my pc360's! I can only compare them to the razer's i had before and uh.. yeah I like them a lot! thank you envy for helping put this all together so I could make a decision :)

post #12008 of 32003

still cant decide between the q701 or just keeping my dt 990s and using those as my main headphones plus a modmic.

Really wish i could try them out at best buy -.-.

 

I could just get an amp and a modmic to make my dt990s become my ultimate headphones.

How do the desktop amps work? cause im looking at the fiio e9k, and im not sure if i need to buy a fiio e17 for it to actually work. Can i just use the fiio e9k as the amp?

or it doesnt work like that? damn such noob questions lol...

 

can anyone explain what amping really does?


Edited by illbleed - 3/1/13 at 2:58am
post #12009 of 32003

The Fiio E9 will work without the E17 (thou you probably will need some cables to connect to it).

Amps basicly add more "power" (in layman terms) so that the sound is more full (there are no frequencies left behind) and increse volume.

Good headphones almost always benefit from amping, but how much is it worth it, is very subjective.

post #12010 of 32003
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JUST got home. What I'm gonna do is find a few tracks I can identify easily with the Annie. Then I will quickly swap out the pads and put them on the Q701, as well as using the Annie stock cable on the Q701. This will keep them as true to the Annie as possible. Will post my findings soonish.

Using the Annie pads on the Q701, and Q701 pads on the Annie. Can definitely tell the Annie is airier with less bass in this configuration. The detachable cable makes A/B testing much easier/faster.

First test is Q701 with both pads.

Hmm... despite the differences in tonal characteristics between pads, I must say the Q701 pads and Annie pads aren't night and day. It's literally a change between sub bass extension and treble/air, and it's not HUGE. I have to say BOTH pads are great. The Q701 pads decay the bass a bit faster, and sub bass is not as extended, but mid bass is similar. The vocals are brighter and a bit sharper in comparison to the Annie pads, but there is a sparkle that is not as evident on the Annie pads. The Annie pads soften that sharpness, and do make things just a hint warmer and less fatiguing, though not as immedately airy. I have to say, I do prefer the Annie pads. It sounds fuller and more rounded, more organic/natural, IMHO.

Second test is comparing the Annie vs Q701 headphones with the Annie pads:

I'm not able to swap FAST enough, but I SWEAR, Tdock's Q701 is voiced just a hint brighter than my Annie. Not sure if it's driver variation or burn-in, etc, but it is brighter, even with Annie pads. Either way, I do prefer the Q701 with Annie pads than the Q701 pads, so whether it's the same exact sound out of the headphones or not, I say the Annie pads are worth it, IMHO.

Either way, make no mistake, they are either the same sonically, or they are nearly 98% the same with a slight more warmth out of the Annie, though my Annie isn't as burned in as tdock's Q701, if you believe in that... what I do know is that my Annie is warmer and more bottom heavy and not as airy as his Q701 with the Annie pads.

edit: Absolutely. My Annie is warmer. Not a huge difference, but I can hear it. So it doesn't sound identical to HIS Q701, but it's close-ish. I don't want to commit to saying it is or isn't the same, but either way, the sound is very close, so if you own the Q701 and are fine with the headband, it's worth trying out the Annie pads.

Just remember, two of the same headphone can sound slightly different. Case in point, I had THREE DT990/600ohms in my house at the same time, and they all sounded a hair different from one another, one of them being noticeably more bassy and mid recessed compared to the other two.

I venture to say that tdock's Q701 sounds MORE balanced and airy with the Annie pads, than my Annie! It's not as bassy, but it sounds more linear and not as smoothened up on the treble, making it more 'flat'. If his Q701 is balanced, my Annie slightly darker than balanced in comparison. It's noticeable. I'm wondering what the change could be. It's close, but it's either slight driver variation, burn in, or god knows what. But it's evident. More bass and body, less air, and warmer tone on my Annie vs Q701 with the same pads.

Test 3 is Annie stock vs Q701 stock:

This is the truest comparison, as you can hear what the Annie has in comparison to the Q701.

Impressions to come at a later date.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/1/13 at 6:30am
post #12011 of 32003

<3, my dt 990s have arrived today and my Mad Dogs will be in soon as well :D YAY, also my odac sounds magical

post #12012 of 32003
Thread Starter 
Damn, boy. Going all out! How are the 990s?
post #12013 of 32003
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Damn, boy. Going all out! How are the 990s?

TELL ME ABOUT IT, but the 990s r at home im still in class... but OMG MAD DOGS GET HERE

 

I wanna hear em both. But So excited [it sucks I have to work tonight...]

 

but I'll let u guys know... Oh I'm also putting a clear top RCA 12ua7 into my indeed G3

post #12014 of 32003
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Originally Posted by illbleed View Post

How do the desktop amps work? cause im looking at the fiio e9k, and im not sure if i need to buy a fiio e17 for it to actually work. Can i just use the fiio e9k as the amp?
or it doesnt work like that? damn such noob questions lol...

can anyone explain what amping really does?

The E17 is a combination amp/DAC, so it's useful as a serviceable amp as well as a source (either thru USB from a computer or by connecting another player or whatever thru optical or line in)... It just happens to have a custom dock connection for using the E09K as it's amp when docked.

The E09K can absolutely be used as an independent amp just like a Magni or an O2, those two are slightly better or more versatile amps tho... Without an E17 you only really have one input on the E09K, the USB port is strictly for feeding a docked E17 and the other RCA jacks are outputs (pre-amp and line out).

I'd probably go for one of the other two if you're not getting the E17 for use at a PC or whatever, since they'll handle a wider variety of headphones with ease... Though if you think you'll get the E17 at a later date then the E09K ends up being more versatile (more inputs, tone controls, etc).

No matter which amp you get, you'd basically go from the Mixamp's output (or your sound card's output) to the amp's input and then you plug the headphones into the amp.

All audio signals are electrically amplified to one extent or another at some point in the chain, I'll leave the finer details to Google or someone else. Dedicated headphone amps just do a better job of driving high end headphones than most gear (like the Mixamp) where amplification is an afterthought.

Like someone else said before tho, it isn't strictly about volume.
Edited by Impulse - 3/1/13 at 9:04am
post #12015 of 32003
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

TELL ME ABOUT IT, but the 990s r at home im still in class... but OMG MAD DOGS GET HERE

Sweet, would love to hear what you think once you've got both... I'm pretty sure I'm getting some the Mad Dogs later as well, just gotta carve out some time to give them a proper listen thru the 15 return window (and maybe compare them against something else I'll order simultaneously).
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