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post #8401 of 37293
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The E9K and DT990/600 are here! I'm so tired.... lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 1:21pm
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The 2013 Mixamp is out, but only if you buy it bundled with the "2013" A40 headset. mad.gif

 

Hopefully the mixamp will come back standalone too...

 

 

"The new 2013 edition of the A40 Audio System combines an acoustically improved A40 Headset with our updated MixAmp™ Pro to bring you the next-gen audio experience. Immerse yourself with exceptionally accurate 7.1 Dolby Surround Sound, multiplatform support, and game to voice balancing. Own your gaming with interchangeable speaker tags and EQ modes to perfectly fit your gaming audio needs. Easily capture all your gaming audio for livestreaming with the new MixAmp™ Pro’s Stream output."
 

post #8403 of 37293
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First test, 600ohm out of the E17.

PC -> USB - E17 - DT990/250 and 600ohm.

Both get plenty loud off the E17. I could see the 600ohm being problematic out of the 3DS and Vita through the E17 though.

250ohm at 36 volume. 600ohm at 44 volume. Still plenty of headroom.

The 250ohm sounds slightly cleaner (the 600ohm is 300ohm higher than the E17 is made to handle, obviously, and sounds just a little duller, with less dynamics and energy). Again, they both sound almost identical otherwise. I wouldn't kick the DT990/600 out of bed even fed through the E17, at least in terms of PC use, though the 250ohm is definitely on top with this portable amp. Interesting. I haven't heard them through the E9K though. The DT990/600 out of the E17 is even warmer than the 250ohm, and considerably warmer than the 32ohm out of the same.

I must say, Beyerdynamics really did a remarkable job making all three DT990s sounding so close to one another. I haven't tested the 32ohm vs 600ohm yet. That will come later.

Out of the E9K.

Both on high gain. The 250ohm is around 10 o' clock on the volume knob, the 600ohm at 11 o' clock. Very near the same amount of power needed out of the E9K anyways. Hmm, interesting. The 250ohm has more body in the bass, and is ever so slightly warmer than the DT990/600 out of the same. To be completely honest, they sound incredibly close to one another, from mids, and treble. I am ACTUALLY preferring the 250ohm, due to the fuller body. Does this mean the DT990/600 needs more juice? Perhaps. HOWEVER, they sounded so similar even off the E17, that I feel I actually prefer the 250ohm either way. The 250ohm sounds absolutely phenomenal off the E9K (haven't given the 600ohm the same head time, we'll see), and is obviously better driven by it than the 600ohm which I have no doubt wants even more power to gain the advantage. From the brief session I just had however, this could be it for me, right here. DT990/250+E9K. Game over. And yes, the E9K does sound even more refined than the E17's amp for the 250ohm. It's so crisp, and the bass is so textured. I am absolutely loving the combo. I think an even warmer amp would probably make them definite end game for me. Though to be honest, it's unnecessary. I'm very happy with what I am hearing right now out of the 250ohm.

edit: The 600ohm sounds fantastic off the E9K, that is a definite. It sounds more balanced than the 250ohm. The subtle difference is that the 250ohm has slightly more body in the bass, and the 600ohm has more forward mids. Zombie-X got it right in saying the 32ohm and 600ohm share more of a similarity in tonal balance. I agree with that because the 32ohm and 600ohm have more mids than the 250ohm, though it's literally a 2% difference. The 32ohm definitely loses out by just a little in refinement over the other two, definitely.

The 250ohm definitely beats both in fun factor though. Just by a hair. The 250ohm and 600ohm sound just ridiculously close to one another. However, the DT990/600 has more of a neutrality to it. I feel that it does have the edge in terms of pure audiophilia, but then I went with the DT990 over the HE400 because it was more fun, while still being very audiophilic.

So far, which is better?

If you want more neutrality, the 600ohm wins. If you want a fuller sound, the 250ohm wins. This is going to be a tough decision, because I'm sure if the DT990/600 got paired up with the NFB5 (when I had it), it may have been a different outcome. The NFB5 is 2x more power than the E9K at 600ohms (NFB5 = 150mw@600ohm, the E9K is 75mw@600ohm). That and the NFB5 has a warm/fuller bodied tone compared to the E9. So I'd say if you were getting a big boy amp, the 600ohm would definitely win. However, with the E9K, the 250ohm is to my preference.

My issue is, keep the 600ohm, and get the beefy amp, or save the money, and keep the 250ohm and e9K? I'm in a predicament.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 2:00pm
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Anyone want a free (old style) Mixamp? The only thing wrong with it (and what makes it not sell-able IMO) is that the little plastic flap that covers the spdif port is broken off. That, and it's from like 2009.

 

I ended up gluing that flap to the optical cable (which I'll send with the unit) so that it can still get a solid foothold in the jack. It's slightly finicky, but once you get the cable seated in the jack it works just fine. As long as you aren't constantly moving things around then it's good. I've used it like this ever since I got it. I broke that flap off a few days after I got it, and was too lazy to get a replacement.

 

I'd only really want a few bucks to cover the shipping on it. I can post a picture of the spdif flap/cable situation if necessary. Let me know.

 

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post #8405 of 37293
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WTF Rebel, that is exactly what I did to my pre-2010 Mixamp! Lol. Hot glue. XD

Jesus, I'd get it for my friend, but I think someone on head-fi deserves it more. Especially one of the newbies that are contemplating these purchases now. They could save spending money on the Mixamp with yours, and buy a better headphone.

Hmm, it looks like I'm now leaning towards the 600ohm. I KNOW me. I'm gonna want to get a better amp in the future, and right now, the performance between the 250 and 600ohm is so close on the E9K, we're talking STUPID close to one another. I can keep this 600ohm that I know I'd want later on.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by Rebel975 View Post

Anyone want a free (old style) Mixamp? The only thing wrong with it (and what makes it not sell-able IMO) is that the little plastic flap that covers the spdif port is broken off. That, and it's from like 2009.

 

I ended up gluing that flap to the optical cable (which I'll send with the unit) so that it can still get a solid foothold in the jack. It's slightly finicky, but once you get the cable seated in the jack it works just fine. As long as you aren't constantly moving things around then it's good. I've used it like this ever since I got it. I broke that flap off a few days after I got it, and was too lazy to get a replacement.

 

I'd only really want a few bucks to cover the shipping on it. I can post a picture of the spdif flap/cable situation if necessary. Let me know.

 

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Check your pm.  i'm definitely interested depending on damage.  It would be an upgrade over the DSS2, from everything that I've read.

post #8407 of 37293
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You should give the DSS2 to me, so I can review it and compare. biggrin.gif

Then I'd send it out to someone who needs it, free (minus shipping), as Rebel is doing. tongue.gif I'd probably send it out to Nameless, who could then send it out to the next person etc. Lol.

Just sayin'... ph34r.gif
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 2:14pm
post #8408 of 37293
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OMG, I realize I'm overthinking and overdoing it. I like the 250ohm more. It's not a maybe, it's a definite. The 600ohm is definitely more refined in terms of being more forward in vocals. But it doesn't have the impact of the 250ohm. I like the impact more, and don't mind the jjust slightly less forward vocals on the 250ohm.

Looks like I'm keeping the 250ohm.

I Am however keeping the 600ohm's pads. Those are absolutely newish compared to the 32 and 250ohms. All three were like new, but it seems the 600ohm wasn't even touched. Those pads are perfect. The 250ohms had a mark on them, and the 32ohm was probably worn a few times. Lol.
post #8409 of 37293
Just thought I would throw a comment in here for people with Dolby Headphone devices other than the Astro Mixamp. If you want a way to hook up your Xbox or PS3 for chat communication, you can get an AX180 inline controller on ebay for less than $20 and plug in your headset/mic into the top of it. I just got mine in last night and did some testing with the receiver vs the mixamp, and though both (the Mixamp and the inline controller) both have floor noise, the inline controller gives off slightly less.

-Erik
post #8410 of 37293
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Well... plugged in the 32ohm DT990 to the E9K. Definitely takes less on the volume knob. I had to set it to low gain to be in the 10 o clock area which is the E9's sweet spot.

Now THIS is interesting.

The DT990/32 sounds FRIGGING AMAZING off the E9K.

10ohm output impedance? Who gives a flying frig! It sounds ABSOLUTELY amazing. The mids are more forward than the 250ohm, AND the bass is slightly more present than the 600ohm.

These really do sound like the 600ohm. Like WOAH, close.

This is a surprise, if I've ever heard one. Now, I'm not going to keep the 32ohm, since it's not TECHNICALLY proper for the E9K, but trust me when I say, that the E9K makes them sounds hauntingly close to the 600ohm. NOW it's definitely impossible to blind choose between the 600 and 32ohm off the E9.

The 250ohm is the one that sounds slightly different due to the slight tilt towards bass than mids.

I mean, I'm not kidding. The 32ohm vs 600ohm off the E9... I honestly can't tell the difference.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

The 2013 Mixamp is out, but only if you buy it bundled with the "2013" A40 headset. mad.gif

Hopefully the mixamp will come back standalone too...


"The new 2013 edition of the A40 Audio System combines an acoustically improved A40 Headset with our updated MixAmp™ Pro to bring you the next-gen audio experience. Immerse yourself with exceptionally accurate 7.1 Dolby Surround Sound, multiplatform support, and game to voice balancing. Own your gaming with interchangeable speaker tags and EQ modes to perfectly fit your gaming audio needs. Easily capture all your gaming audio for livestreaming with the new MixAmp™ Pro’s Stream output."

 
Hey I'm sure they know better than to release just the mix amp alone right away I hope lol?? I bet right now they sell wayy more mixamp's alone than bundled with their headsets. Hey you never know maybe the 2013 headset is the best headset out there for competitive gaming??
post #8412 of 37293
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

My issue is, keep the 600ohm, and get the beefy amp, or save the money, and keep the 250ohm and e9K? I'm in a predicament.

You can always let me Demo the 32 Ohm off my cMoy, 

I'd like to get the Pro 250ohm Dt 990 so :3 the 32 ohm would be a good way for me to confirm my Byer love to <3 


Edited by Mshenay - 10/16/12 at 2:54pm
post #8413 of 37293
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Well, it's official, all three headphones sound better on the E9K than the E17. I expected the 32ohm to have loose bass or sharper highs due to the mismatch in output impedance, but I SWEAR, they sound identical to the 600ohm. It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell. I'm gonna have to give it a few days to let my ears adjust, but I can't tell right now. I absolutely can't tell the difference other than the 250ohm.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, it's official, all three headphones sound better on the E9K than the E17. I expected the 32ohm to have loose bass or sharper highs due to the mismatch in output impedance, but I SWEAR, they sound identical to the 600ohm. It's IMPOSSIBLE to tell. I'm gonna have to give it a few days to let my ears adjust, but I can't tell right now. I absolutely can't tell the difference other than the 250ohm.

So you're saying that I (the guy with the DT990 32 ohm) should get the E9K instead of the E11?  I would much rather have a desktop amp than one powered by a battery.  Please advise!

post #8415 of 37293
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Maaaan, it's ridiculous that people blow output impedance out of proportion, but I SWEAR to you, the DT990/32 sounds ridiculous off the E9K. I have NO reservations about recommending it for the 32ohm. If you get it, set it to low gain. It sounds basically perfect to me.

Honestly, the only THING I do notice, is that the 600ohm has the LEAST amount of bass of the three. And the difference is super small.

If I had to give a number to the quantity...

Bass presence:

600ohm: 8
32ohm: 8.2
250ohm: 8.4

Mids presence:

600ohm: 7.5
32ohm: 7.4
250ohm: 7.1

I believe they defining factor in difference is going to be soundstage when gaming.

I'll have to give them a number too, which will come later.

All I can say is that unless you're seriously dissecting the sound... you won't be able to truly hear a difference between the 32ohm and 600ohm off the E9K. No way, no how. If you owned both, you'd seriously have to look at the plug to know which one you have, because sound-wise... impossible.

I wouldn't try to steer you guys wrong.

If the 600ohm is truly better than the 32ohm, it's gonna need a special amp to truly show it, because I'm not hearing it here. I can definitely hear a difference off the E17. On the E9K? Nope. All three stepped up with the E9K.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 3:16pm
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