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Thanks for the continuing impressions on the DT 990 line.  I see that the 32 ohms have skyrocketed in "used" price through Amazon Warehouse so I feel good for buying when I did.  The 250 ohm model sounds compelling, but I don't know if I think it would be $80 + amp cost compelling enough to sway me toward returning the 32 ohm model.

 

Definitely awaiting your thoughts on the 600 ohm model.

Thoughts where already expressed on the 600 ohm some where...

 

although I got an E11 and a cMoy so I have 2 decent amps to drive teh 250's with my self [and I got the Dt 880 Pros]

 

Also why do ppl hate on the Dt 990 Pro's looks lol, yea it's not as pretty as the Dt 880 but as long as build quality is just as good <3 I can dig it

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 I beg for people to do their homework before taking the plunge on anything I mention on this thread.

 

Seriously.  Anyone who's about to throw down hundreds of dollars on a pair of headphones should research the crap out them. 

 

If I'm about to buy a pair of headphones, I already know them inside and out - having read as much as possible about them before I buy.

 

Don't impulse buy audio gear tongue_smile.gif


Edited by chicolom - 10/15/12 at 10:16pm
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Don't impulse buy audio gear tongue_smile.gif

 

Unless you're rich. Then buy and give away all the headphones you don't want to people like us.

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Don't impulse buy audio gear tongue_smile.gif

Hey, HEY! Who are you kidding here!? angry_face.gif

Impulse buying... it's an illness. frown.gif
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Great thread guys! I've learned a crazy amount just reading the past 30 or so pages (and of course the main post). I wanted to share my rather limited experience with the Astro A40 package and subsequent headphone purchases, specifically for use with gaming.

 

I ordered the Astro A40 package back in 2009 when it was first gaining steam. There weren't too many other "premium" gaming headsets on the market at the time, and the big YouTubers of the day were starting to rave about the new Astro products. I got them in, and having no hi-fi headphones to compare them to, thought they sounded great. Positional accuracy was great in MW2 (the current CoD at the time), and I could see my scores improving in games. A year later Black Ops came out, and Treyarch nerfed the distance in which you could hear footsteps. Now I had a Mixamp and a headset that basically gave me no competitive advantage, and on top of that had almost no bass. At this point I considered swapping out the Astro headset for something that sounded a bit better.

 

I had purchased a pair of Sony MDR-7506 headphones for monitoring audio recordings, so I plugged these into the Mixamp and immediately noticed an improvement in sound quality. I had no "head-fi" knowledge at this point, but I immediately noticed the extremely narrow sound stage which made it difficult to locate enemies that were anywhere in my immediate vicinity. I went back to the A40s for the next two years.

 

Fast forward to last week. My Astro A40s have actually started falling apart. Despite having to replace a few of the cables over the years, the in-line mute switch has actually fallen apart and is being held together by a rubber band. I searched around and read rave reviews for the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80s. Most notably, people talked about the ridiculous amount of bass these things could produce, which was of particular interest to me coming from the near bass-less Astro A40s. I actually found this thread after purchasing the 770s, and I might have opted for the 990s based off of what I've read here. Nevertheless, I'm extremely happy with the thunderous bass the 770s produce. Since, IMO, footsteps sounds aren't nearly as useful in the more recent Call of Duty games as they once were, a purely fun-based headphone like the 770s are very enjoyable to use.

 

I have tried the Tritton 720+ and Pro+, and not only was I not very impressed with the audio quality, I couldn't get over that inherent "hiss" during quiet or noiseless scenes. The 770s are comfortable, though my ears do touch the inside of the cans as others have noted. It's not a big deal, but it does keep the headphones from "disappearing" when I have them on. The Astro A40s are still the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn, but I've retired them to the overly luxurious travel case Astro included when I bought them. 

 

I have my Xbox running to my (O.G.) Astro Mixamp, and the headphones are plugged directly into that. I did notice a lack of volume, especially when watching Netflix with an optical out from the PS3. I have to turn the volume to max and the game/voice knob all the way over to "game" in order for the volume to be at an acceptable level. This introduces an audible hum from the Mixamp, but only during passages of silence. I ordered the Fiio E7 (mainly for price reasons) and hooked that up between the 770s and the Mixamp, but it didn't seem to do anything at all. The volume seemed the same as with just the Mixamp, if not lower (if that's possible?). I returned the E7 and have ordered the Fiio E9X E9K, which should arrive from Amazon on Wednesday.

 

I'm a big newbie when it comes to audiophile terms, so I won't try to describe the sound of my headphones with this setup in any great detail. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread! It's been extremely helpful, so I wanted to give a little back. Cheers.


Edited by JONvincible - 10/16/12 at 2:30am
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Yeah, I mentioned, the E7 has basically the same amp as the E5, meaning very little actual power. This is why I tell people to go for at least the E11 if they want more power than the Mixamp provides. The E9 WILL be a huge boost in power however.

What people need to realize, is that (please correct me if you know the math), but to get just a few decibels more, you'd need DOUBLE the power. It's crazy how amping works. Because the E5/E6/E7 is basically the same power as the internal amp on the Mixamp (e5/e6/e7 = 75mw@32ohm, Mixamp is 70mw@32ohm), this is why you're not going to get more volume. The E11 has 200mw@32ohm, which is almost 3x the power of the Mixamp. That should raise volume enough.

You all have to realize that two amps amping a signal doesn't = 2x the power. The second amp's analog input only takes a certain amount of voltage, so you can pretty much have a super amp first and a weak amp next, and you'll only gain the vast majority of the SECOND amp's power, not the first. This is why you need a lot more power than what the Mixamp provides in order to gain a noticeable bump in volume.

For example: FWIR, the E7 at volume 55 (out of 60) is considered line level when amping to another amp (in typical cases, the E9). That means that you get 5 extra volume if you max out the E7 and feed it to another amp. That's almost nothing. I know this isn't what you did, but it gives you a general idea as to what first amps in an audio chain do to a source signal if they have similar power to the E7 (which the Mixamp does). Long story short, don't rely on the first amp to add anything in terms of volume. The 2nd amp is 95% of the amping. Because of that, the E7 in your case, seemed to do nothing to the volume. The only reason we double amp on this thread, is because the first amp has the virtual surround and can't power moderately amp reliant headphones.

Glad the DT770 is working out for you. I know I may a bit hard on it at times, but that's basically because they're all about fun. If that's what you want, the DT770 is really hard to beat, because they offer a very large soundstage for a closed headphone, the BEST positional accuracy I've heard from ANY headphone, and to me are very comfy. Not to mention, they're affordable. Because they need amping, I'd personally go for the DT990 Pro which is just a bit more expensive (like $20), but they improve on a lot of things. However they're open, and may not be as worry free as the DT770 pro 80.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 4:12am
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Moved my PC to the bedroom. You can see the 990s next to the TV. biggrin.gif

I did this so I wouldn't have to constantly disconnect the E9K (or other amp) when gaming, and using my PC.
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Good lord that back lighting is beautiful... Had to rig a usb powered led stick to the back of my monitor... not quite as pretty/well executed but it does do a pretty good job of reducing eye strain.
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AGGGGHHHH my week old AH-26D isn't working properly... getting major channel imbalance out of the RCA inputs. Tested the outs, they're ok. The optical in seems to be working. Is this a higher power telling me to get a dedicated amp? At least I can use the DAC... not totally wasted... but disappointing none the less.
Edited by ruuku - 10/16/12 at 5:10am
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edit: As expected, it seems my DT990/600 and E9K will be here today, one day early. I work tonight so I will probably be asleep when it is here, but I doubt I'll sleep well today. I expect some impressions will be done today.

Lol, trust me, it's not THAT pretty if you look behind the TV. XD



It's bedroom setup of a single man with low income.... though I can't complain about having a 65" Plasma in the bedroom. biggrin.gif

I have the printer hidden behind the TV, as I only use it to print amazon return slip, lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 5:22am
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As for the AX720, I believe someone mentioned completely muting the mic to perhaps lower the signal noise. Other than that, yeah, it's gonna be noisy all the time.

 

yeah, if I enable voice monitoring that just adds a different soft hiss.  But the humming is always there, and even gets louder when I go from the PS3 menu to a game that turns on dolby 5.1.  

 

I've created a Tritton support ticket to see if they have any other suggestions.  if not, I'm probably going to return these.  since I'm limited to that price range, I may try the new Sony Pulse PS3 headset.  Or maybe even just get a nice set of stereo headphones now, and buy the Astro mixamp later.  I assume the Mixamp has greatly reduced humming compared to the 720+ decoder?

 

If you guys have any other suggestions in the $150 range, let me know.  Thanks.


Edited by ronswanson - 10/16/12 at 6:33am
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The wired Mixamp is almost dead silent. Also, the Recond 3D USB is also silent. The Recon isn't as good as the Dolby Headphone devices though, IMHO.

If I were in your shoes, I'd spend the money for the wired Mixamp + $15 for the KSC75 for NOW until you can afford a full sized headphone.
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The wired Mixamp is almost dead silent. Also, the Recond 3D USB is also silent. The Recon isn't as good as the Dolby Headphone devices though, IMHO.
If I were in your shoes, I'd spend the money for the wired Mixamp + $15 for the KSC75 for NOW until you can afford a full sized headphone.

 

I second this recommendation. The KSC75 are excellent with the mixamp when you're on a budget.

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thanks guys.  strange that Amazon doesn't seem to carry any Astro products now.  It's all used stuff from 3rd party sellers.

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They never carried Astro products. It's always had Astrogaming as a third party seller, though they no longer have them on there either. Hmm...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/16/12 at 9:29am
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The E11 has 200mw@32ohm, which is almost 3x the power Because they need amping, I'd personally go for the DT990 Pro which is just a bit more expensive (like $20), but they improve on a lot of things. \

Indeed the E11 is a nice amp, I just got mine in and I like it with my Xb 700s but not as much with the Dt 880, the E11 makes the Dt 880 sound a little less spacious [things sound closer] and that may be because the bass has a little more impact with the E11 over the cMoy. And then there is the bass, for me the cMoy has a much mellower very supportive bass where as the E11 has a little more impact an agression, which is nice for my XB 700s and for Dub Step and Drum n bass, but not as nice for Sound Tracks. Jeremy Soules music does not need an agressive bass line but rather the very detailed and mellow supportive bass it has. The cMoy has very nice detailed impact and again the E11 has more aggressive bass. So E11 will proably be nice on the DT 990 Pro which is going to be playing the more aggressive bass heavy music [or even if it's mellow Dub Step that extra bite in the bass is nice <3]

 

So I'm like the E11 with my XB 700 Zune combo, and with the Dt 880 and Hifiman the cMoy is a little more enjoyable to me

 

But both the cMoy and the E11 have enough power [although that 0 1 2 switch is rather annoying xD 0 to 1... makes things warmer, then 1-2 makes the bass warm and impactful which again the cMoy has one bass level which brings a little more warmth to my ears]

 

Either way Happy to have both! And for Bass the E11 is better, for a little more detail an sparkle the cMoy

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