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Certainly.
The DT990 has considerably more bass presence than the Q701. That's one thing I will fully disagree on with Chicolom who says they somewhat comparable.
If I had to rate quantity:
DT990 (Premium): 8.5
Q701: 7
The Q701 has more forward mids, but the DT990's mids are crystal clear, though distant in comparison. The Q701 has natual treble, while the 990's treble is extra sparkly. I felt the 32 ohm DT990's treble to be less sparkly than the 600ohm.
Overall, I'd choose the DT990 over the Q701.
The DT990's soundstage isn't as big, whereas the Q701 has a pretty large soundstage and an airier sound. The Q701 is very well balanced, with just a slight lack of bass to make it even what I'd consider natural bass. I feel the DT880 is the starting point for where bass SHOULD be, which the Q701 doesn't quite hit.
Positioning is the Q70's win for sure, but the DT990's positioning is great.
I just find the DT990 more enjoyable with everything I throw at it, while the Q701 is strictly business in comparison.

 

This was very helpful! Since I'm new to this sort of thing can you clarify a few things for me:

 

1. What is sparkly? I know people have mentioned the treble on 990's can hurt some people's ears when it comes to music, so I'm guessing sparkly is not a good thing?

2. Is there a difference between soundstage and Positioning? If I had to guess is soundstage a virtual area with it's limits being how far the sound projects, and positioning how accurately you can pinpoint where sound comes from within that area? If so I imagine sound stage probably adds a lot to immersion in gaming, by creating a realistic sense of space? How much smaller is the DT990's soundstage?

 

I'm kind of sold on DT990's at this point, since I value immersion over pinpoint accuracy, but before I bite the bullet I just want to make sure I understand exactly how much accuracy/soundstage/positioning I'm giving up in exchange for the extra bass.

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1. Sparkly is where treble sizzles a bit more than 'normal'. The DT990 tends to be very sizzly, though I swear the 32ohm doesn't sizzle as much as the other 990s. In any case, the treble is really not an issue when you're gaming with virtual surround, as the sound is more spread out and not as 'focused' directly into your ear, if that makes sense.

2. Yes, you got it. The DT990's soundstage is actually pretty big, but the Q701 is enormous.

The DT990s are very accurate in positioning, have a very nice soundstage, and great positioning. If you're worried it will make a difference vs the Q701, no. Anything I rate 8 or above is all you need in terms of positioning, etc.

The DT990's comfort is very highly regarded, whereas the Q701's are consistently hated on due to the bumps. I'm odd in that I find the Q701 fine in comfort, but the DT990s are heavenly to put on due to their velours.


Okay, so noise-wise, the Victor SU-DH1 and Creative3D are pretty silent with the HE-400, whereas the Mixamp 5.8 has a very slight hiss IN comparison (for my preferred volume level).

Oddly though, going through the PS3 menus, the clicking sound from scrolling on the XMB sounds distorted through the Recon 3D. Odd indeed.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/11/12 at 10:27pm
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1. Sparkly is where treble sizzles a bit more than 'normal'. The DT990 tends to be very sizzly, though I swear the 32ohm doesn't sizzle as much as the other 990s. In any case, the treble is really not an issue when you're gaming with virtual surround, as the sound is more spread out and not as 'focused' directly into your ear, if that makes sense.
2. Yes, you got it. The DT990's soundstage is actually pretty big, but the Q701 is enormous.
The DT990s are very accurate in positioning, have a very nice soundstage, and great positioning. If you're worried it will make a difference vs the Q701, no. Anything I rate 8 or above is all you need in terms of positioning, etc.
The DT990's comfort is very highly regarded, whereas the Q701's are consistently hated on due to the bumps. I'm odd in that I find the Q701 fine in comfort, but the DT990s are heavenly to put on due to their velours.


Awesome. This answers everything perfectly. Man, I feel like i've learned a ton about audio in the past 2 days. I still have one more question for you:

 

After reading through the rest of your reviews I hadn't finished up, something that struck me was how similar the DT990's and the Ultrasone Pro 900's reviewed. That makes me very curious as to how the Ultrasone HFI-2400 would stack up against the DT990, since they are both open ended cans with an emphasis on bass. Since the HFI-2400 aren't in your first post, I'm assuming you haven't got to try them. There is a chance you have though, so I'll ask-- any insight into how the HFI-2400 stack up against the rest?

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I had a chance to try the Pro 2900 (which is basically a Pro 900 in open form). The review is right on my guide.

The DT990 has more bass presence than the Pro 2900.

I prefer the DT990 over both the Ultrasones, actually. I found the Ultrasones to both have really recessed mids, and the treble sounded even more metallic than the 990s. The saving grace of the Pro 2900 was it's bass articulation.

Also, the Pro 2900's soundstage was pretty closed sounding for an open headphone.

The Pro 900 has considerably more bass than the DT990 Premiums. Also, I wasn't a fan of S-logic overall, but it wasn't an issue with the Mixamp.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/11/12 at 10:54pm
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@MLE,

You could just get a receiver like mine since it'll do DTS -> DH :D

You also won't have much problem driving any set of cans since this thing outputs a lot of power through the headphone jack. I set my HK receiver to about -17db (which is already pretty loud) and it will go up to +10db.

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MixAmp 5.8 question:

On PC, how do you connect it for mic chat? I have the old pre-2010 wired MixAmp, and it has a "PC mic" port on the back...but I see that the 5.8 doesn't.

 

Edit: Nevermind, found the answer http://forums.astrogaming.com/showthread.php?4642-Wired-vs.-Wireless-MixAmp-Comparison


Edited by Eric_C - 9/12/12 at 12:10am
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Yeah, but how much will that cost? tongue.gif

Ans what receiver?
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Yeah, but how much will that cost? tongue.gif
Ans what receiver?

Harman Kardon AVR-254. The only bad thing is that it is a tiny bit old so it doesn't support any of the HD formats like DTS-MA. Oh, and it only has 2 hdmi ports. I believe that the series after this one still had DH, could be wrong though.

 

As far as price, I traded a set of AiAiAi TMA-1's for it. HK sells refurbs on ebay every once in a while.


Edited by calpis - 9/12/12 at 12:18am
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Juggling the added oomph of the the bass in the DT990 vs. the better detail/positional accuracy of the Q701's. I'm not really in a position where I can go demo these things, so I'm pretty much stuck basing it off information I read on the internet. I've googled "DT990 vs. Q701", and read pretty much every thread that compares them, but I've just run into a ton of confusing/dissenting opinions. Some people saying the bass of the Q701 is only slightly less than the DT990, others say it's a huge difference. Same for the detail/accuracy/soundstage-- some people say it's only a small difference, some say the Q701's have much better precision for picking out details. I'm just hoping to get more feedback from people in this thread who have used both.

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The DT990 has considerably more bass presence than the Q701. That's one thing I will fully disagree on with Chicolom who says they somewhat comparable.
If I had to rate quantity:
DT990 (Premium): 8.5
Q701: 7
The Q701 has more forward mids, but the DT990's mids are crystal clear, though distant in comparison. The Q701 has natual treble, while the 990's treble is extra sparkly. I felt the 32 ohm DT990's treble to be less sparkly than the 600ohm.
Overall, I'd choose the DT990 over the Q701.
The DT990's soundstage isn't as big, whereas the Q701 has a pretty large soundstage and an airier sound. The Q701 is very well balanced, with just a slight lack of bass to make it even what I'd consider natural bass. I feel the DT880 is the starting point for where bass SHOULD be, which the Q701 doesn't quite hit.
Positioning is the Q70's win for sure, but the DT990's positioning is great.

 

 

If you googled DT990 vs Q701 you probably saw my thread...

 

I edited my review to make it more clear that the DT990 does in fact have moar bass.

 

I agree with everything MLE said above ^ - the DT990 definitely has more slam and impact.  Its just that I don't hear the difference as being that huge.  For me, a bass boost will almost (not quite) get the Q701s up to DT990s, but they still won't ever have quite the slam of the DT990.  I just don't miss is that much.  I don't think you can EQ that slam in (maybe with the DSS v1 - that thing could make my KSC75s slam!!) 

 

I would just classify it more as "noticeably more bass".  When I read "considerably more bass", to me that sort of means "don't even bother trying to EQ it up that high".  Like to get Headphone A even close to Headphone B you would have to rape it with multiple bass boosts, to the point where you should just be using a different headphone. 

 

Now my CALs in comparison do have what I would call "considerably more bass presence" than either of them. Sure it's a dirtier bass compared to the other two, but in terms of quantity the DT990 can't touch it.

 

With no EQ, the DT990s treble unfortunately cancelled out the enjoyment I got out of its bass, whereas the Q701 I enjoy the bass, and I love the treble.  If you love the treble of the DT990 though, I see NO reason not to go for it.

 

Keep in mind that bass isn't a top priority for me, so I just don't weight it as much as other things.  Soundstage is a huge priority for me though, which is why I held onto the AD700s for soooo long  atsmile.gif


Edited by chicolom - 9/12/12 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by calpis View Post

Harman Kardon AVR-254. The only bad thing is that it is a tiny bit old so it doesn't support any of the HD formats like DTS-MA. Oh, and it only has 2 hdmi ports. I believe that the series after this one still had DH, could be wrong though.

As far as price, I traded a set of AiAiAi TMA-1's for it. HK sells refurbs on ebay every once in a while.

I see it on Amazon for a bit over $200.

Hmmmmmm... maybe at some point in the future.

I don't care about lossless support, as It's mostly for the headphones, and perhaps a 2.1 setup. I assume you're feeding the audio through HDMI into the receiver? I only have two HDMI sources anyways.

This is more in the future though, as I'm not in the best place work-wise and financially overall, lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/12/12 at 12:37am
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MLE, I guess you use your PS3 for blu-rays, but I know if you use a laptop or HTPC with a bluray drive you can use programs like PowerDVD which have built in dolby headphone encoding.  I think you can also output that DH to DACs and Amps.

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My PC doesn't have a BD drive (didn't wanna spend more when I'm happy with the PS3.

calpis, you know the output impedance on the headphone jack for your receiver?
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Crap, my bad. I have the AVR-247 not the 254. The 247 is 1 model year older than the 254. I also have no idea where to find the output impedance for the headphone jack :(

 

I have my Sextetts which are rated at 600ohms and I did need to bump up the volume for those to get a good listening volume.

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I posted once before about having trouble with my mixamp and astro headset.. well i sent them in and they replaced the mixamp but not the headset. So the mixamp is fixed, i no longer get uneven sound. Still cant really pinpoint where sounds come like they are advertised.. in your review for the ax720, you said that they werent that great. my astro headset is no where near as good as the ax720. I was hoping you could try to get a review out for it. I was hoping to buy the q701, but dont have enough money at the moment for it. So now its between the pc360 and the ad700, which according to your reviews, they have about the same score.. maybe you can compare the two against each other? The mic wouldnt be a big issue. Im hoping the pc360 at least sounds as good as the astro. Im leanning toward the ad700 more cause its cheaper. i really loved my ax720. So im kinda confused how good the ad700s are. sorry if i asked to many questions lol.

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You guys with the Recond3D USB, do you know if the software tweaks are basically just for custom equalizing, or can you tweak other aspects of sound? I'll probably test it out tomorrow, but don't wanna jump into it if it's just EQ tweaking.

I guess all that's left for me to try out is the DSS2, and perhaps Sony's proprietary virtual surround for its headset. Oh yes, Silent Cinema, though it doesn't seem to be as good as the Recon's THX surround, by recent comments.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/12/12 at 3:15am
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