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Didn't MLE try Headzone for a while? Was it beyond way more than quite superior to the Mixamp? tongue_smile.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

 

If you're even considering the non-T50RP orthos, the T1, and the HD800, you can certainly afford a Stax setup. It'll have to be Lambda-series, not the SR-007 or SR-009, but you can afford it. (Seriously, why do the Lambdas hardly get any respect outside of the Stax Mafia?)

 

There must be some other reason why you won't consider them.

 

The thing is, I have 0 experience with STAX and can't put or place them between other headphones in my personal ranking, not even estimate. It's hard to find a place to listen to them as well.

 

Which set or combo are you referring out of this list? http://www.fl-electronic.de/neuklang/stax.html#preise

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

 

You ask as if they they cost even close to the same amount.  The D7000 route will run you about $400 more then just buying the A50s.  I'm not recommending the A50s, I'm just saying they're in completely different price brackets.

 

 

AKG K550  and Audio Technica A900x are both supposed to have good soundstage.

 

I've seen the K550 described as a closed Q701.  FYI closed headphones that have big soundstages, usually don't have the best isolation.

Thanks. I should rephrase that I guess. Don't need a big sound stage but decent isolation as my wife watches TV two feet away from my head.

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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

ninja: FWIW I tried K550 with music a few times (in a store), and I think it really is an excellent headphone. Comfy, classy looks, good build quality, isolated well enough, and the sound felt quite clear, evenly presented and uncoloured. Note that I'm not good at spotting the "weird resonance" in closed headphones as some of my friends are, so perhaps it was there and I did not notice it.

 

It is highly regarded by Tyll, though: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/wonderfully-competent-akg-k550-sealed-headphone

TY.

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Originally Posted by HalidePisces View Post

Yeah, sorting by closed/open would be very helpful. I'm currently looking for a nice open headphone for the soundstage, but sometimes pictures can be deceiving especially to the untrained eye. I've got around 150 USD to spend and the AD700 seems like the way to go. Anyone have any other suggestions at that price range?

 

People will likely recommend a dedicated headphone with a separate microphone attached. If you must have an all-in-one solution that is the headset, there's a few recommendations on the first post. Besides that, the Cyborg F.R.E.Q. 5 looks interesting. But it's only become recently available outside its manufacturer's store, so there are only a few reviews of it and none of them are in-depth. It would be nice if someone here reviewed it.

AD700 are about the best around 100-150 though 150 would be high for a pair. Try used and get new ear cups.

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ZeeBAD: dude, it's really hard to follow your thoughts.

 

If you want the best (according to MLE's guide) it's probably the D7000 I think everyone here is trying to talk to you to check that you're making the right choice, but you don't really seem interested in the details, so...

Just buy the D7000 and a MixAmp and a modmic.

 

If you find out later that your soundcard can't do 5.1 or 7.1, buy a soundcard.

That dude is lost in the sauce on MLG, etc.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

Ya, I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

 

Mad Catz owns Tritton.  Tritton also makes headsets with 50mm drivers.  I wonder where THIS headset's 50mm drivers came from??

 

Cyborg makes gaming mice and keyboards, and clearly they used their experience designing those to design this headset.  Should translate well.

 

Although, it IS using "the highest quality drivers available for use in commercial headsets".  Oh really?  What about the MMX300 and PC360.  They should have asteriked that to say *commercial headsets made by Tritton.

 

That is one ugly piece of crap.

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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post

 

Also, for clarification, the A50 is not a 7.1 headset. It's an A40 with the mixamp built in. It's stereo. The mixamp is what gives the stereo headsets surround sound. Hopefully that clears a little confusion for you.

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

 

Not for PC gaming. The Mixamp is a console gaming device first and foremost. For PC gaming, a sound card offers more features and sound quality at less cost.

 

If you want the best from a competitive standpoint...I'd say Stax, but their hardware is pretty damn expensive for something you'd only use for gaming, even the cheaper Lambda setups.

popcorn.gif Someone finally mentioned STAX. It just got good. o2smile.gif

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Speaking of gaming headset/headphones. Has anyone stopped buy AKG's GHS1 cans and given them a whirl? On site they are 100 EUD.

http://uk.akg.com/product-detail-2821/ghs1wht_product.html

 

 

Also has anyone seen this? Was trolling (patrolling for you... other kids) through the website looking at prices and stumbled on this: http://uk.akg.com/akg-k3003-overview-uk.html   1K EUD In-Ear buds. Yikes!

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^ Why do you find the price shocking? Is it because it's an earphone, or because it's a universal IEM, or something else?

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To the person asking about the Sonys, I have a pair of MDR-7509HD's and no, just no. The soundstage is just way too congested when you pair it with DH and I had a very very hard time finding the positional cues that I'm used to. Sure, they may be regarded as good studio cans and that's where their bread and butter is. But when it comes to pairing it with DH, it is a big fat no go. I had to rip them off my head because I was getting such a crappy score, went back to my Pro2900 and my score instantly shot up again.

 

If you really want a good experience with DH, open headphones cannot be beat.

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Thread Starter 
So it seems the DT990/32 is too much like the 600ohm in terms of positioning, that it'd be useless to give them their own listing. I'll go ahead and update the Premium 990 with a little more info detailing the slight difference.

BTW, the 990/32 definitely has better positioning than the HE-400. Quite obvious.
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

I think MLE might be the expert on this, I remember him saying he has a big head.  basshead.gif

 

 

 

 

Yeah - it may be worth mentioning (if it's true) in the opening post with respect to some cans he had trouble with "clamp" wise and "comfort" wise. Until I read that line above some of his comments didn't quite make sense, but do now :)

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Originally Posted by NinjaSushi2 View Post

Speaking of gaming headset/headphones. Has anyone stopped buy AKG's GHS1 cans and given them a whirl? On site they are 100 EUD.
http://uk.akg.com/product-detail-2821/ghs1wht_product.html


Also has anyone seen this? Was trolling (patrolling for you... other kids) through the website looking at prices and stumbled on this: http://uk.akg.com/akg-k3003-overview-uk.html   1K EUD In-Ear buds. Yikes!

A friend of mine bought the AKG GHS1, he told me it had good base but the sound stage was small.But then the only other headphones he did use and have was the AD700.
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^ Why do you find the price shocking? Is it because it's an earphone, or because it's a universal IEM, or something else?

I just read the price. Was too busy to read what it was. So how does the K550 compare to other closed backs? So what makes them so awesome that 1000EUD justifies the price? Audio new here.
Edited by NinjaSushi2 - 8/28/12 at 8:53am
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After reading some reviews (without actually finding a proper audio forum like this) I purchased Corsair's new vengeance 1500 headset. Now it sounded good (to an audio rookie like myself anyway) but they crushed my head even at max size and after leaving them on a tissue box for ages.
Tom's Hardware review?
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At the moment i've been using my onboard sound from my Asus pz68-v pro motherboard:

Realtek® ALC892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- Supports : Jack-detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-retasking

- Absolute Pitch 192kHz/ 24-bit True BD Lossless Sound
- Blu-ray audio layer Content Protection 
- DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC 
- Optical S/PDIF out port(s) at back panel

But I'm thinking of buying myself something like the xonar essence stx.
Obviously the cheaper the better but i'm looking at spending about $300 all up (headset and card) but could be convinced to go up to the $400 mark if it means i'll finally get headphones that fit comfortably on my big boof head.
Boof? Lol I like that word!
As someone else said, you can add a small mic to any headset for all your game chatty needs. I actually bought a 3 pack of "Neewer" brand lapel mics on Amazon for like $3.50 (US$) shipped, and my friends list has lit up with comments that they can hear me so much more clearly (and didn't realize I actually sounded "like that"). Mad Lust Envy mentions a DealExtreme lapel mic in the first post that works well for him, though I bet they're basically the same product. Mine picks up my voice just fine pinned to my shirt collar, me talking without paying any attention to facing my mouth towards it, and my friends are glad not to hear me breathing anymore ha! Another popular option is the mod-mic, also mentioned in the OP.

Your motherboard's built in sound is actually alright. Buying a new sound card, however, has the benefits of interference shielding, discreet processing for computer resource relief, and most of all virtual surround sound processing. Check out NamelessPFG's guide (linked in OP) for some recommendations; some games have 3D audio that isn't technically limited to 5.1 or 7.1 channels!

As far as which headphone... I dunno. XD
My head is really close to 6" wide ear-to-ear, and aside from the weird jaw pressure from new Audio Technica AD700 pads, everything has fit me as designed. Many (perhaps not all) Sennheisers are known for tighter-than-average clamping force, which was certainly true for the closed models I've tried (HD202 wasn't as bad as the 201s, but I definitely needed to shift positioning often and take a break halfway through a CD album), but the PX100 is fine. Haven't been able to audition the models at the range you're looking. I also haven't tried the different Beyerdynamic headphones/headsets, but they are supposed to be the kings of comfort.
I really like my Q701s, sound really great and I wore them through two movies last night when I couldn't sleep, but MLE mentioned that he wished the auto-adjusting headband stretched a little wider. For me, all I had to do to get settled for my marathon last night was rotate the headband forward off the highest peak of my head, and I'm someone with fine hair that seems to thin out every time I get a haircut. YMMV, but these are the best headphones I've ever had in every way except wearing in-transit (and I really don't know why AKG put in those bumps! Overheating issues?)
Edited by Evshrug - 8/28/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
The thing is, I have 0 experience with STAX and can't put or place them between other headphones in my personal ranking, not even estimate. It's hard to find a place to listen to them as well.

 

Which set or combo are you referring out of this list? http://www.fl-electronic.de/neuklang/stax.html#preise

 

My main setup is a vintage Normal bias SR-Lambda (albeit with rebuilt drivers and mineral wool removed from the earcups) + SRD-7/SB, with an Onkyo TX-SV515PRO I had lying around to provide the required speaker-level input to the SRD-7/SB. I'm hoping to replace the amp setup with something like an SRM-1/Mk2 Pro in the future, but my budget currently doesn't allow for it. (It's the amps that really eat into your wallet with electrostatics...)

 

I've also tried an SR-202 + SRM-212 system before, which was also pretty good in sound presentation, but had an inferior midrange to the SR-Lambda. (If spritzer's opinion is anything to go by, the original SR-Lambda apparently has the best midrange of them all. The many succeeding Pro bias variants may have improved on bass, treble, and perhaps detail retrieval, but not midrange.)

 

Getting a chance to audition them can be difficult if you can't afford the used deals going around, though. On top of that, the cheaper systems (US$400 and less) tend to have SRD-series transformer boxes that require speaker amps/receivers/etc. to power them, which means added cost if you don't have one already.

 

What I can say is that there's this...airy, atmospheric, ambient quality to the sound. It's like the air itself is singing to you, and the sound is quite enveloping and "3D" to me if the source has the positional cues. They may very well redefine clarity to someone who's never heard an electrostatic set before.

 

They're also ludicrously comfortable, probably for big heads too. (Well, maybe not the SR-507 if spritzer is any indication, due to the revised headband/arc.)

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Is there any cheaper alternatives to the DT770 Pro 80s that are just as comfortable?

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Thread Starter 
Creative Aurvana Live.
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Originally Posted by NinjaSushi2 View Post


I just read the price. Was too busy to read what it was. So how does the K550 compare to other closed backs? So what makes them so awesome that 1000EUD justifies the price? Audio new here.

 

Sorry, now you're discussing both the K3003 and the K550 as if they're the same headphone.

The K3003 is the 1,000 dollar/Euro piece of gear; it's a universal in-ear. "Universal" in that anyone can buy it and it'll fit in their ears; there are custom in-ears by companies like Ultimate Ears, Westone and JH Audio that require a moulded impression of your ears get made into a unique 'shell' which will fit your ears only. The top tier customs easily surpass the US$1K price mark.

 

The K550 is the much, much more reasonably priced closed back, full-size headphone. It retails for around US$ 300? I thought--given brief auditions, mind you--that it just sounded "right". I think I've said this earlier, but nothing sounded unnecessarily recessed or emphasised, and I didn't feel like the sound was "boxed in". Again, I think I've stated this caveat before, but I tend not to hear the weird resonance that people complain about with closed headphones, so this may devalue my impressions on the headphone for you.

And in any case: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/wonderfully-competent-akg-k550-sealed-headphone

 

If Tyll says a headphone is good, you really ought to sit up and take notice.

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So after following this thread for a bit and weighing up the pros and cons I thought the best route for me to take would be to buy the Astro Mixamp and the Sennheisser PC360. I play Call of Duty on the PS3 and that's virtually all I would use the headset for so figured, despite most people tuting and shaking their head right now, that'd be the best all round general route for me to take.

 

Well the PC360s arrived the other day and the Mixamp last night, so I hooked them up with great expectations. I should now mention  I'm moving up from the Tritton AX Pros so anything must be an improvement.

 

But after 2 hours of playing last night I have to say I was far from blown away. Now it's possible my expectations were to great. But I really expected to be sound whoring my way thru the game and this simply didn't happen. The sound was better coming from the PC360s, no question and even the directional awareness was much greater on the footsteps I could hear. Trouble is, I was still being shanked from behind by people I simply didn't hear coming, even though they didn't have dead silence. Or I would get killed by someone coming around a corner even though I had an 'ear out' for movement.

 

So I'm not sure what to make of it all. I probably spent €300 for the combination and I am definitely not feeling the monies worth. Is it that my expectations were unrealistic or should I just send the PC360s back and get proper headphones and a lapel mic and if so which ones? I don't mind paying a little bit more for headphones, but only if I'm going to notice a difference.

 

Any advice on this would be appreciated. I'm going to give the PC360s another go tonight, but really. I'm feeling very inclined to send them back.

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