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Sounds like the 990 it is then. But do you have any idea why the 880s where more expensive on that site I linked? Numerically and from what you said it sounds like the 990s should cost more

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Price fluctuate quite a bit. In any case, supply and demand?
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Another question. What is the difference between open and closed headphones other than ambient noises?

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Open headphones have a characteristic open sound in comparison to closed-back.  It's hard to describe the difference unless you've gone from months with an open back and go to a closed back, or you have had months with a closed back and go to an open back.  I find the difference is mainly in their soundstage representation.  Not in raw size and depth per say, but the opens usually layer things better, and they're not cavernous sounding like closed backs, which tend to meet a hypothetical wall and not go beyond that point.

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Another question. What is the difference between open and closed headphones other than ambient noises?
Sound waves are obviously trapped in a sealed or closed headphone, usually resulting in more rumble bass and stronger body presence, if you take my meaning. The "air" like quality of open headphones may have just as much bass, but it's like a speaker placed in the middle of a room rather than in a corner to acoustically amplify it. This allows the soundstage of open headphones to "float" out in the open and usually extend out further... but all this is a rather subjective attempt to describe, you gotta feel it yourself to understand. I feel that closed/sealed headphones make a compromise on ultimate sound quality to trade for less noise leaking out and less ambient noise getting in. Some people like closed headphone sound better, but it doesn't sound as natural to me.
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Good point on the bass.  Open backs usually have poor bass extension because they can't adequately pressurize the area on your ear.  It takes the likes of planar magnetics and their large, power drivers, or really well engineered dynamics, to get solid bass extension.

 

I think-- everything equal and ideal-- a closed headphone has just as good a chance of sounding great as an open headphone, but nobody really takes time to properly dampen their housing.

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The DT990, and ESPECIALLY the DT990 Pro really must do some serious black magic to make the bass as strong and as they are, despite being quite open. The DT990 Pro is one of the bassiest headphones I have ever heard, regardless of open vs closed.

Oh yes, Sean, the other reason why the DT880 Pros are more expensive than the DT990 Pros is more than likely because the 880's outer grill is high quality like the Premium version, whereas the DT990 Pros use some pretty retro looking black plastic grills more than likely taken from a pre-2003 DT990, instead of the silver mtallic-looking slits on the Premium version..
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/24/12 at 8:48pm
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So open vs closed would be like a sub woofer in the middle of a room as opposed to a corner where it can become boomier? Makes sense and the vengeance 1500s are closed and it helps the bass a bit. 

So the difference in price was just build quality? I think those were the premiums they just don't have it written, What's the difference between the pro and the premium headphones then other than build quality? and the higher pricetag of course :P


Edited by seanmcloughlin7 - 7/24/12 at 9:05pm
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Actually, the Pros are cheaper and are more rugged. The build quality on both the Pros and premiums are superb. It's more like the pros are a little cheaper because they use less aesthetically pleasing parts in the headband, etc.

Also, the Pros tend to clamp a little more. The Premiums are pretty loose fitting. I prefer the fit on the Pros, as it keeps the headphones from sliding around.
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Actually, the Pros are cheaper and are more rugged. The build quality on both the Pros and premiums are superb. It's more like the pros are a little cheaper because they use less aesthetically pleasing parts in the headband, etc.
Also, the Pros tend to clamp a little more. The Premiums are pretty loose fitting. I prefer the fit on the Pros, as it keeps the headphones from sliding around.

Great, as long as it's not a difference in sound then perfect. The premiums are 100 euro dearer which is a bit ridiculous considering the differences are aesthetic. I will order the 990 pros then in the morning :D You guys have been a HUGE help 

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Oh no, I was referring to the DT880s. The DT990 pros sound a bit different than the Premiums. The bass is considerably stronger on the Pros. Different enough where I couldn't handle the DT990 pros, but was fine with the Premiums.

However, this is a personal issue, and not one I think anyone else would have. I find the Koss UR40 to have some serious bass bloat, and no one else thinks this. Not to mention, I tried two different UR40s. I thought they had the bass dial at 11.
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Good point on the bass.  Open backs usually have poor bass extension because they can't adequately pressurize the area on your ear.  It takes the likes of planar magnetics and their large, power drivers, or really well engineered dynamics, to get solid bass extension.

I think-- everything equal and ideal-- a closed headphone has just as good a chance of sounding great as an open headphone, but nobody really takes time to properly dampen their housing.

Bass extension isn't the right term, both variants can reach low… but that is besides the point. Enjoy your DT990, maybe you can leave some of your own impressions when you're done smily_headphones1.gif
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No, bass extension is the right term, unless you're one of those people that thinks -6 or -10db at 30hz is reaching low.  Only non planar open headphone I've heard so far to have low-bass performance rivaling a closed can has been the DT990, and even that has a good bit of a rolloff from its massive mid-bass hump.


Edited by TMRaven - 7/24/12 at 9:56pm
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And here I thought that "good bass extension" meant "volume flat and level with the rest of the spectrum all the way down to 20 Hz", which doesn't seem to be possible with most headphones and even most reasonably-priced subwoofers (most start rolling off at 30 Hz)...

 

As for what actually uses 20 Hz notes to begin with, I've heard that one of Hans Zimmer's movie soundtracks makes extensive use of 20 Hz-something that probably goes missing entirely if you're not in a movie theater or have a studio-grade sound system.

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I think nearly all of his soundtracks have 20hz content, haha.  Not even theaters can represent the 20hz properly.  Flat volume isn't exactly what flat would measure like, since the human ear rolls off in volume down to 20hz, but flat in energy is a good representation (ie very visceral down in the 20hz range)


Edited by TMRaven - 7/25/12 at 6:04am
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