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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

How much are you willing to spend? I assume you don't have a dolby headphone device and are playing on PC. You might wanna get one of those soundcards first, I think Xonar has the DG (and others) which is cheap and has Dolby Headphone. What's your budget? Good emphasis on bass and good positional cues, would be the DT990 Pro, and to a lesser extent, the DT770 Pro 80 as a closed alternative.

I have an Asus Xonar DX ordered due to arrive tomorrow or the next day so I have that base covered. Yeah I've seen you saying some good things about the DT990 pro and it might be a viable option depending on how much money I can get together. If I can sell the speakers and the headset I have now I could be spending up to 300 euro on the next set of headphones. 

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I kinda wanna retry the DT990 Pros, but I'm afraid the bass will bother me like before. It's odd. the Pro 900's have a lot of the same type of bass, but it doesn't hurt me.
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Which is what exactly? too boomy/overpowering? 

post #6529 of 37420
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The issue isn't as simple to identify. I've had massively boomy headphones (i.e. XB700), and very strong ones (i.e. XB500) that don't hurt my ears. It's just something about the way it hits that gives me a headache.

Honestly the bass on the DT990 Pros is like an open Pro 900. I'd have to test them side by side to say for sure, but both are high quality, but very emphasized bass.
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What are your thoughts on using Virtual Surround headphones as opposed to using straight Stereo Headphones for gaming? Would you sacrifice situational awareness to an extent for really good quality sound?

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I think those headsets that have the virtual surround processing built into them are fine from the processing standpoint, however, the headset's innate sound quality is going to be lacking quite a bit than using a legit pair of headphone and using an external virtual surround device.

From personal experience, headsets offer a simple solution to people not willing to do their homework or deal with extra work into optimizing their sound.

You sacrifice a lot of spatial awareness by playing in basic stereo, regardless of headphone.

There have been many times when people have stated a headphone has fantastic imaging, that doesn't need extra processing from virtual surround device. Yet, all these people (ALL of them that I've heard mention this), have never taken the time to even play with such processing.

To me, you're playing with 'blinders' if you're playing in basic stereo.

I always tell these people to give Dolby headphone a run for at least a week with their favorite games. After that week, go back to stereo and see if you think it can keep up with how much more open and natural the positional cues are with virtual surround.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/24/12 at 4:58pm
post #6532 of 37420
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Originally Posted by seanmcloughlin7 View Post

really love this post, I am brand new here because of this thread and have a few things to ask and say. I recently had money to buy a set of headphones and got the Corsair Vengeance 1500 7.1 headset because it was relatively cheap and the best of a bad lot, but I was told they are horrible. To me they sounded great, had fairly good positional audio and the bass was Ok, it was tight more than boomy and worked fine.
But I wanted something more so I saw a second hand set of Logitech Z5500 speakers and got them and while they're fine speakers I find the Subwoofer to completely drown out EVERYTHING. The bass is almost constant with them and overpowering all the time and if I lower the sub it almost disappears so there is no middle ground with it. That and the front speakers have some low sound when playing the likes of BF3. 

So all said and done I would like to know what you guys and TC especially think are THE best headphones for gaming? What I want in them are good positional audio as most of my time is in Battlefield 3 and I love horror games so Localisation is a must. And secondly I want really good bass. I know you have to sort of compromise between the two with headphones but what has the best of both? If I can find a good set I am going to sell the things I listed above 

I read a few reviews of the Corsair Vengeance 1500 and Logitech speakers you mentioned; seems that universally that headset model is not very strong at surround sound. Then again, everyone skipped 5.1 surround Dolby Headphone mode, so maybe that works better? It was Tom's Hardware top pick of their surround headsets round up (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/surround-sound-headset-benchmark,3125-12.html). Did you try digging into the software settings to see if you could improve your experience?

Regardless, it's a closed headphone of limited versatility that is only Corsair's sophomore effort. Considering the corsair sells for $80 on Amazon and the near-field surround speakers from Logitech cost between $340 and $400, you could probably get around $350 for both. Assuming you could find buyers. No offense, but I personally never understood the appeal of watching movies on a computer screen with near-field speakers in a surround set-up, when headphones can do private sessions so well and TV + home theater setup does the whole cinema experience better. I did have movie nights in my dorm on a computer monitor and little active computer speakers, but that was more out of temporary space limitations and I didnt throw a lot of money at it. /thinking out loud.

If you can put $300-$400 dollars to an audio setup, you can have a pretty good time smily_headphones1.gif NamelessPFG has a great guide for pc gaming, you can find the right sound card solution for you, then you can pick a headphone from Mad Lust's guide here from your remaining budget. My experiences are mostly with the Audio Technica ATH-AD700 and AKG Q701 headphones, both are fantastic with great soundstage for their price range. One headphone I have not heard but HAVE seen well-favored for years, and falls between the other two headphones I mentioned price-wise, is the AKG K240 series. So many positive reviews for all three, you could take those suggestions easily with happy results. You definitely ought to invest in the sound card or external amp/DAC first before you consider your budget for headphones, so you can get the most out of them.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by seanmcloughlin7 View Post

I have an Asus Xonar DX ordered due to arrive tomorrow or the next day so I have that base covered. Yeah I've seen you saying some good things about the DT990 pro and it might be a viable option depending on how much money I can get together. If I can sell the speakers and the headset I have now I could be spending up to 300 euro on the next set of headphones. 
Oh, I see.

I didn't suggest the DT990 Pro, just because I haven't heard them. Mad obviously has owned both the DT990 and Q701 (at the same time for comparison sake? Dunno...), from what I gather he finds them both superior at their price range, except that the DT990 has a more V-shaped sound signature he prefers, while I like the way the Q701 doesn't strongly emphasize one frequency range over another. So season to taste; what I gather from what you've said is you like boosted bass and the DT990 may be more exciting to you.

Anyway, good luck again!
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To me virtual surround does a pretty decent job for what it sets out to do. The vengeance 1500s have 7.1 virtual surround,even though it's more of a 5.1 sound as the 7.1 really doesn't add anything, still sounds more or less the same and there seems to be no "back" to them. Like front sounds great and panning left and right is very smooth and convincing but pan to the back and the sound kind of shoots so to speak, it almost feels as if it goes back to the front or as mad said feels like it's in you head and looping back to the front again can be almost dizzying. I had a surround test for BF3 setup and closed my eyes to see if I could find a flaming car again just on audio alone and the rear area is what let me down the most. But they have a surprisingly good bass response to them which I was not expecting. A bonus from using such big drivers I guess. 

 

I had an Onkyo home theater setup before in 5.1 and it sounded great for my PS3 and for movies and most games but I sold it due to being too loud for neighbours, I since moved house and built a PC instead of the PS3 so I thought I wanted a 5.1 speaker set again.  that's why I bought the Z5500 speakers second hand for cheap. But I find myself liking a good proper headphone sound more now because you can just hear a lot more subtlety in games and positional awareness is much better. Speakers are good for movies but headphones for me are better for games and that's mostly what I use them for. 

 

I am a noob when it comes to sound cards though cos the Onkyo set had a receiver so it was just HDMI from PS3 to receiver and then receiver to TV and it was really simple, so I have a question about PC and sound cards. Will the sound card be able to do virtual surround through software like the Corsair headset does? and make headphones open up more soundstage wise?

EDIT: Oh and the DT990s on my usual site are actually cheaper than the 880s. The 990s are open and the 880s are semi open, Which sounds better?  tongue.gif


Edited by seanmcloughlin7 - 7/24/12 at 5:53pm
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The 880s vs 990s is more of a neutral vs fun sound. One is not better than the other, so much as they are different. Think of the 990s as a DT880 with more bass, treble, soundstage, and better positioning. The DT990 Pros however are considerably different than the DT880s, due to an even more bassy sound.

BTW guys, I have edited the first post a little, adding a fuller impression on the M50s, and cleaning up some listings with less personal bias, errors, etc.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/24/12 at 6:23pm
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So I have decided I will probably go with a set of DT 990s or DT 880s when I go to buy next. But I find it odd that where I will buy has the 990 pros for considerably less than the 880 pros and I have no idea why, from what you were saying the 990s were the better so i thought they would have been the more expensive. I have decided I can compromise some situational awareness and positioning in the headphones if they have superior sound quality overall with an emphasis on more bass. 

Check them here and tell me which of the two is better please :):

DT 990 Pro Open back

DT 880 Pro Semi Open

BTW you guys are all helping me and teaching me a lot already, thanks

post #6537 of 37420
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Just to let you know, the 880s have that same problem where sounds behind you don't sound like they are behind you. The DT990 would be better in that regard.

I can't guarantee you'll love the 880s for gaming.
post #6538 of 37420
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Just to let you know, the 880s have that same problem where sounds behind you don't sound like they are behind you. The DT990 would be better in that regard.
I can't guarantee you'll love the 880s for gaming.

Well if it had really good overall quality I wouldn't mind so much I guess. I just want to buy something and not regret it like I have doen with the Vengeance 1500s

post #6539 of 37420
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Originally Posted by seanmcloughlin7 View Post

I have decided I can compromise some situational awareness and positioning in the headphones if they have superior sound quality overall with an emphasis on more bass

 

Re: Superior sound quality

Depends what you mean by "superior". See MLE's reply on this same point above.

 

Re: Bass.

MLE, the 990 has more bass than 880, right? But more treble too?

post #6540 of 37420
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Yeah, the DT990 Premiums sound like the 880s with more bass and treble, same mids. Due to the bass and treble being more emphasize, will make mids sound more distant, but in a side by side, the mids are similar in quality.

The DT990 Pros though have a bigger boost in bass over the Premiums, making them more basshead-friendly. Also, due to the bass being so big, the treble isn't as jarring to the ears as the Premiums. They are still overly prominent in treble, but won't sound as uncomfortable to the ears.
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