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post #5521 of 37427

Speaking of AKG soundstage, here's what a Geekhacker has to say:

 

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They can also make center sounds that seems to come at you from 11 and 1 oclock at the same time (incoherent center stage, which is why I hate K701).

 

Something tells me he's not talking about using it in binaural mode (Dolby Headphone, CMSS-3D Headphone, etc.) at all, though.

 

Still, I don't think huge soundstage and incoherent center stage have to go hand in hand, if my Stax Lambda is any indication.

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If anything, a huge soundstage like the AKG's is beneficial because it gives the sound a bigger area to place sounds, allowing for more precision. Small soundstages like the HD280 Pro or M50 places sounds so close together, making it harder to precisely locate a sound.
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BTW, in case anyone was wondering about the Audio Technica ATH-TAD500 - they are NOT great for gaming.  They have a nice signature, but the soundstage unfortunately falls to the the smaller side. 

 

I'm working on a TAD500 review that will be up soon...

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

That's utter BS. Those people that call the AKG soundstage 'fake' are using them in STEREO mode, and have no experience with them with Dolby Headphone. The soundstage is just fine in Dolby Headphone, and incredibly accurate, hence why they are among the best on my list. They are literally god mode for your ears. Willing to bet all this 'fake' nonsense comes from those who are listening to music than actual gaming.
Their soundstage isn't much different from the PC360 or AD700 in DH mode, and actually, the AD700 has the largest I've heard.
If you're gonna write them off, soundstage shouldn't be the reason. Id say your taste for rap wouldn't work well with the Q701, but gaming is PERFECT on them.

they were giving examples of the soundstage in music so that could be it, they just didnt use them for gaming im assuming.

How do you mean that they wont work well for rap? i will be using them for gaming and music, (but not excessive amounts of music) so would i be left disappointed in anyway with my music then? in which case any recommendations between the q701, dt990 pro, hd598 or hfi 2400? i noticed you havent tested the hfi2400, but from what reviews i gathered (and they are very scarce to say the least) it seems like its all-rounder. Like i mentioned itll be mainly for fps gaming and more for the fun factor (in which i include soundstage, imaging, realistic sounds, bass), just as long as my pop and rap dont sound bad.

 

ps. if you have any other suggestions please feel free, my budget is $350 (not including my xonar stx), and i just want to be wowed :)


Edited by korky - 5/31/12 at 12:06am
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It wouldn't work for rap for those who are bass heads, but those that are not bass heads they work just fine.  I used the AKG 702 which are similar to the K701, with electronic Dnb and dubstep and I enjoyed them with it too with it deep bass. Those who love hard hitting bass in those type of music would frown on you.

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I'm not a basshead, but I find the Q701 to not be a great match for EDM or Rap. Bass is decent, but not impactful enough, IMHO. The DT880s aren't basshead cans at all, and they walk all over the Q701 for that type of music.

But you can't have everything. The Q701 is a great all rounder, just needs a smidge more lower bass to truly consider them rap/edm worthy.
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korky: Just based on how much info you said is available, I would rule out the HFI 2400. No data = no go.

 

Based on discussion in this thread for the 990, 598 and Q701:

- 598 should be ruled out, it doesn't get described as a top choice for gaming. Or for bass.

- 990 is a risky choice; good for gaming + movies, great bass, highs could be annoying. Depends on the individual.

- Q701 is a good, safe choice. Only area they may lack for you is in bass.

 

As MLE alluded to, the Beyer DT 880 trades in one strength of the Q701 for one flaw:

- Better bass than Q701

- Lousier positioning (you can't tell when people are at 6 o'clock)

Everyone who games with the 880 agrees on that flaw, myself included. If you can live with that gaming flaw, as a non-basshead, I think it's a decent all-rounder and has some pretty nice bass going on. Not the strongest, but if a track has good bass or a game/movie has good explosions, it should be loud and good enough.

 

Again, comparing 880 to Q701 only:

If gaming is more important, Q701.

If bass is more important, 880

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Since FPS is a priority, I'd sure skip the DT880. I was mainly using the DT880s as an example of non-basshead cans that do bass quite well, where the Q701 can't quite keep up.

I must say that using the Q701 with the Mixamp 5.8's bass exapander really gives them all the bass I want from them.

So if anyone is thinking of pairing up the 5.8's with the Q701, it's a great combo especially with the bass expander on, if you want more bass out of them.

People should note that the Mixamp's bass expander tends to add just a few decibels to lower level bass, and not mid bass, which is why some people may feel it doesn't do much. Considering the least prominent area on the Q701 happens to be sub bass, the slight emphasis really helped flesh out the sound.

Also, keep in mind that the bass expander may or may not distort during some very tasking bass passages.

I myself only use the bass button when watching movies. I find the Q701 easier on the head than the D7000 (again, velour vs pleather), and I prefer the richer vocals on the Q701 so I can hear what everyone is saying in the movies easier. For music, it's an overwhelming victory for the D7000 in most cases, so I don't use the Q701 for that purpose unless I wanna listen to music in a different tonal balance than the D7000, which isn't often. If the Q701 was my only headphone, I'd have bought some dedicated music amp with a subtle bass boost in there somewhere.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/31/12 at 2:51am
post #5529 of 37427

thanks heaps guys!! must say you cleared up a few things :D appreciate it! so looks like (after a long while i must say) its coming to either the dt 990pro and the q701. Correct me if im wrong but its basically the bigger soundstage of the q701 vs the bigger bass of the 990pro? One thing, i read a couple of people saying that the q701 suffered from some sort of "plasticky tonality" to them, one which wasn't too recognizable at first but after they tested the HFi 2400 they could easily pick it out. Any opinions on the q701s not sounding natural?


Edited by korky - 5/31/12 at 3:27am
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I'd say that is more apparent with the K701 than the Q701. If the Q701 comes of as plastic, the DT990 pro will come off as positively sizzling.

You're always gonna get negative remarks about any headphone that is popular. Just choose one and decide for yourself, because only you can say what's worthwhile, and what isn't.

The DT990 Pro is way too bass heavy, IMHO, and won't be very helpful for FPS gaming due to all that bass. The DT990 Pros are for pure bassheads, not people that like some bass emphasis. It's not a slight tip towards bass, it's a VERY big tip towards it.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/31/12 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'd say that is more apparent with the K701 than the Q701. If the Q701 comes of as plastic, the DT990 pro will come off as positively sizzling.
You're always gonna get negative remarks about any headphone that is popular. Just choose one and decide for yourself, because only you can say what's worthwhile, and what isn't.
The DT990 Pro is way too bass heavy, IMHO, and won't be very helpful for FPS gaming due to all that bass. The DT990 Pros are for pure bassheads, not people that like some bass emphasis. It's not a slight tip towards bass, it's a VERY big tip towards it.

sorry that statement just confused me a little bit, you mean that the dt990 pro come off more plastic than the q701 right? in which case looks like the q701 might be my final choice :), as long as the bass is at least adequate for gaming. Considering they will cost me $330AU, do you think there will be any other headphone that will do a better job with vocals in music and fps fun gaming? 

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Well, if you think the Q701, then the DT990 pro would too, as it's very bass heavy, and nothing realistic about it's presentation. If the Q701 was plastic. The DT990 pro is metallic and boomy.

I'm exaggerating a bit, but yes. You shouldn't dismiss headphones based off a few people's opinions.
post #5533 of 37427

ok great thanks for clearing that up:) and yeah usually i hate doing that but unfortunately other peoples opinions is all i have to go off since i cant properly test them out. i guess ill just suck it up and order myself a pair of q701 before they are all gone, since they have been discontinued!

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I guess ill just suck it up and order myself a pair of q701 before they are all gone, since they have been discontinued!

 

Wut?

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Thread Starter 
It seems the Quincys were limited time only. A year?
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