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post #5161 of 37451
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Originally Posted by mindbomb View Post

 

 

If it touches the head and outer ear, then your own hrtf will be interfering with the dolby one, no?

 

specifically, I think something like the yamaha eph 100 should technically be the best if this is true, since it is designed to not deflect off the ear canal as much as other iem.

 

 

No and No.. I think your outer ear has alot to do with positioning and how we as humans tell how and where sounds are coming from..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_localization


 

 


Edited by I95North - 4/16/12 at 6:17pm
post #5162 of 37451
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Originally Posted by I95North View Post

No and No.. I think your outer ear has alot to do with positioning and how we as humans tell how and where sounds are coming from..


Except that's what HRTFs are supposed to copy in the first place...

 

He could actually be right but it depends on how Dolby designed their algorithm.  Since IEMs aren't at all common outside of our little ivory tower I wouldn't be surprised if DH was optimized for normal headphones instead.

post #5163 of 37451
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


He could actually be right but it depends on how Dolby designed their algorithm.  Since IEMs aren't at all common outside of our little ivory tower I wouldn't be surprised if DH was optimized for normal headphones instead.



Sounds reasonable. Also: DT 880 > JH13 on a MixAmp, so unless JH don't know what they're doing with their flagship product... I think DH is definitely better with full-sized headphones.

post #5164 of 37451

I don't think BA's have the treble for HRTFs.  Plus, the Microphones don't go that deep into the ear canal of the subjects.  

 

That said, this same sentiment is what often has me question the desirability of angled drivers for HRTFs.  

post #5165 of 37451
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Originally Posted by Phos View Post

I don't think BA's have the treble for HRTFs.  Plus, the Microphones don't go that deep into the ear canal of the subjects.  


Even cheap single BA IEMs will go 15kHz pretty easily so I don't think that's an issue.

 

People have reported good results using with JH13s with the Realiser despite skipping the headphone EQ measurement because you can't actually do it.

 

The HRTF DSPs I've used IEMs (even cheap single driver ones) do the azimuth and elevation almost perfectly but still compress the range quite a lot compared to full size 'phones.  IME it's hard to match what you're hearing with what you're seeing using IEM with such DSPs when looking at a screen playing a game of watching a movie because of mismatch in distance between what you're seeing and hearing.

 

If I'm just listening to music or something (I use TB Isone for all my music) I can close my eyes and it all perfect but trying to match it with a screen ruins the illusion for me.  I think you might need something personalized like the Realiser to get the distance right with IEMs

 

Unfortunately for this discussion, none of those HRTF DSPs I've used were DH.

post #5166 of 37451
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Originally Posted by mindbomb View Post

 

Consoles, I imagine you just tell the thing to output dolby 5.1 via spdif, and then tell your mixamp, which presumably automatically decodes it,  to use dolby headphone.



Bingo  cool.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


Even cheap single BA IEMs will go 15kHz pretty easily so I don't think that's an issue.

 

People have reported good results using with JH13s with the Realiser despite skipping the headphone EQ measurement because you can't actually do it.

 

The HRTF DSPs I've used IEMs (even cheap single driver ones) do the azimuth and elevation almost perfectly but still compress the range quite a lot compared to full size 'phones.  IME it's hard to match what you're hearing with what you're seeing using IEM with such DSPs when looking at a screen playing a game of watching a movie because of mismatch in distance between what you're seeing and hearing.

 

If I'm just listening to music or something (I use TB Isone for all my music) I can close my eyes and it all perfect but trying to match it with a screen ruins the illusion for me.  I think you might need something personalized like the Realiser to get the distance right with IEMs

 

Unfortunately for this discussion, none of those HRTF DSPs I've used were DH.



I had a quick look at wikipedia's page on the subject and it sounds like HRTFs can only do azimuth and elevation beyond a very close range, it's down to the audio to deal with how far away something is.  For example, in an enclosed area in a game, a sound source at a distance would be mostly reflected audio, but I don't know if even the best environmental effects can do this.  Yeah, I try this in the rightmark positional audio test thing, EAX 4 HD, the sound coming from right next to the ear has the same distortion as as far away as the program allows for.  Maybe Rapture 3D can do it?


Edited by Phos - 4/16/12 at 7:12pm
post #5168 of 37451
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post



Sounds reasonable. Also: DT 880 > JH13 on a MixAmp, so unless JH don't know what they're doing with their flagship product... I think DH is definitely better with full-sized headphones.



just to follow up on this, you are talking about positioning, right?

 

and you were sure you were sending dolby digital 5.1 via spdif from your xbox and you had dolby headphone enabled on the mixamp?


Edited by mindbomb - 4/16/12 at 8:23pm
post #5169 of 37451

Yes, and yes. I'll take some screenshots and stuff tonight if anyone really needs them.

post #5170 of 37451

 

Hello There

I am new to these forums as I found that this was the place to ask about headphones. Now I currently on the search for a pair of headphones for myself, which I will use for gaming and music. I'm not so much of a competitive gamer but I do enjoy gaming and wish for a good pair. My music genres are dubstep, rock, pop, and generally anything that's recently come out. I do love my bass so I would prefer bass heavy headphones. I kind of wish for slightly stylish headphones like the AKG Q701 headphones but they are a tad over my budget of $100-$250

Ok so what I've found so far:

Beyer DT 770 Pro 80 ($150-$200):

http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-Pro-80-Closed-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0016MNAAI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1334117964&sr=8-3

 

Beyer DT 880 32 Ohm ($270+):

http://www.amazon.com/Beyer-Dynamic-Premium-32-Headphones/dp/B0024NK358/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334118018&sr=8-1

 

Ultrasone HFI 580 ($150-$190):

http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-HFI-580-Surround-Professional-Headphones/dp/B00101UHS8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1334118088&sr=1-1

 

Ultrasone HFI 780 ($150-$200):

http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-HFI-780-Surround-Professional-Headphones/dp/B00101XVH2/ref=pd_cp_e_0

 

Ultrasone Pro 550 ($150-$230):

http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-PRO-550-Professional-Headphones/dp/B000YDYEDW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1334118168&sr=1-1

 

Ultrasone Pro 750 ($225-$275):

http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-PRO-750-Professional-Headphones/dp/B000Y556M8/ref=pd_ybh_17

 

Denon 1100 ($200-$300):
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Advanced-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0042ETXRQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1334118239&sr=1-1#productPromotions
 

Audio Technica ATH M50 ($150+):
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1334118850&sr=1-1

 

Audio Technica Pro 700 MK2 ($200):
 

Vmoda Crossfade LP2 ($200):

 

M-Audio Q40 ($135-$150):

http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studiophile-Closed-back-Dynamic-Headphones/dp/B000XT8JTM/ref=pd_ybh_20

 

Shure SRH840 ($140-$160):

http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SRH840-Professional-Monitoring-Earphones/dp/B002DP8IEK/ref=pd_ybh_24

 

I know this is a wide range of studio and monitor headphones but out of these I wish to know which one has the best bass and sound clarity. Also I'm not so sure about the open and closed headphones, so If someone could inform me it would be great. Also I will be sometimes be wearing these in public so some thought of style is needed to be considered. 

 

Ok so I hear that using a portable amp is necessary for some higher Ohm headphones but will I need one? If I were to get one could I just get the cheaper FiiO E6. Please note that this has to be included in the budget.


Alright it's quite a lot and this took me a while to write but please remember, the cheaper the better!


Thanks

 

Sorry also if you were to rank these from best to worst for gaming then for music it would be great e.g.

 

Games:

denon ah d1100

sennheiser hd 280 pro

 

Music:

Sennheiser HD 280 Pro

Denon AH D1100

 

Thanks again

 
post #5171 of 37451

This is a gaming thread. Have you checked the first post for answers to your question? Some of the models you listed are already ranked there.

post #5172 of 37451


 

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Originally Posted by Omnom View Post
 

 

 Now I currently on the search for a pair of headphones for myself, which I will use for gaming and music....I do love my bass so I would prefer bass heavy headphones.


I know this is a wide range of studio and monitor headphones but out of these I wish to know which one has the best bass and sound clarity. Also I'm not so sure about the open and closed headphones, so If someone could inform me it would be great.

 

Sorry also if you were to rank these from best to worst for gaming then for music it would be great e.g.

 

Games:

denon ah d1100

sennheiser hd 280 pro

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of the headphones you listed are bass heavy and have lousy soundstage - which is generally a bad combo for gaming.  Things like the Denon D1100, Audio Technica Pro 700 MK2, Vmoda Crossfade LP2, M-Audio Q40, and even M50 all fall under that category.  Also, on the first page/first post, MLE said the Sennheiser HD280 are lousy for gaming...

 

If you want headphones that will do well for gaming, they need to have at least a decent soundstage.  Open headphones do soundstage better than closed ones, but they usually don't match them on bass.  Also open will leak more (in public). 

So, you can see it's difficult to find one headphone that meets all your criteria.  If you want one headphone for both you may have to sacrifice some bass for soundstage or vice a versa.  More expensive headphones like DT990 Pro do good with both.

Or just buy two pairs smile_phones.gif

 

Denon D2000, and Beyerdynamic DT770, DT88, DT990 should all be decent.  Never heard ultrasones before.  But again, I would stay away from things like AT Pro 700 Mk2, and Denon D1100 because those may be good for your music but they would be lousy for gaming.

post #5173 of 37451

Thanks for that reply :)
But I'm not really a competitive gamer just a casual one who likes the odd game or 2 of bf3. I would however like to know where i am being shot from so would the Pro 700 MKII or any others do that job?
Thanks

post #5174 of 37451
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

Yes, and yes. I'll take some screenshots and stuff tonight if anyone really needs them.



No, I think that won't be necessary.

 

One more question:

 

What was the degree of the difference?

 

Was it dramatically worse?

post #5175 of 37451

I wouldn't put a number to it--that sort of thing is a pointless exercise. Bearing in mind that I'm commenting on JH13 vs DT 880 for gaming on a MixAmp only, I will say it like this: no contest. 

 

I thought that I'd get the JH13 and sell everything else off, but partly because of sentimental reasons, and partly because it just performs better for gaming, I kept the DT 880.

 

Now, if someone would like to chime in on my MixAmp distortion issue...

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