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So the Q701, the Labtech LVA 7330, and the mixamp finally arrived.

 

So here's the impression from a complete greenhorn without proper lingo.

 

Set things up to the PC.  With just a 3.5 mini to RCA on onboard audio to Mixamp to the Q701.  Using foobar. 

 

Well with random music... I certainly perceived things differently, enough that it made me giddy/surprised at some points.  Some instruments in the background that I never knew were there, could be heard, just a tiny detail but it was there.  Though for arguments sake I had this pair of in-ear Beats given to me and I switched to that for a moment... It's there too just not as "present" "well known" as the Q701, but this difference is so tiny in the grand scheme of things, maybe my ears are playing tricks on me.  I don't have my A40s unfortunately to test this.  Carrying on though.

 

Lots of instruments sounded MUCH better hrm... "ALIVE" "DETAILED" though this really stands out at the END of each note.  If between both headphones the body of it seems to be about the same, but there's just that extra pinch of detail you can hear at the end of each note for various instruments, though other times with the in-ear Beats that extra pinch of detail is sometimes missing.  I dunno maybe this is a bad setup for testing, specially considering one's an full On-Ear and the other is an In-Ear.  That and I have very little flacs.  Just alot of 192-320 mp3s hah.

 

I think I'm understanding what people mean about the soundstage though...  What I am gonna try doing though is visiting an acquaintance I know in the Philippines.  He's got a PS3, and the top of the line of the Beat series the Over Ear ones I'll set things up and do a headphone comparison with him for ****s and giggles.

 

Seems like with my current setup, it's all about those tiny little extra details in the music that makes it great.

Overall... the general headphone is fine for most people.  Then there's headphones like this which most people think... "You spend x amount of money for headphones like this seems crazy."  Course once you listen to it and you step into that world you understand why heh.

 

On the side note in some movies/anime in bluray format..  Well that certainly was very interesting.  More interesting than the music I must say, lots of sound effects sounded lot more... vibrant, but this is just a repeat of the above.  I used Media Player Classic and just unchecked everything in ffdshow audio.

 

Frankly I'm really trying to differentiate between both, there are differences, but on average it's very mild/slight differences.  Maybe my ears are just playing tricks on me lol. 

 

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@Jodiuh: You either have a bigger head than me and I consider my head a bowling ball or the format of the Q701 is just very weird to you.  These things fit comfy for me. sure the way it wraps your head is very different to what anyone would be used to but you get used to it.  Also what did you "fix" exactly?  You used the zipties to keep it in place so that it stops retracting each time it's off your head?

 

Anywho thanks ya'll for recommending this.  I'm quite happy.  Although I wished there was a more night and day difference that I could notice *easily* without having to *try* to notice.  I guess it'll be like AxelCloris where I'll find more things that'll surprise me.

 

But yeah I just typed whatever came across my mind, didn't really review and organize this lol.


Edited by AxelDaemon - 4/15/12 at 4:32am
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post #5148 of 37339

Does anyone know if it's possible to plug the DSS or Mixamp to a usb power supply instead of the usb port of the console? Would it be bad for it considering then it would constantly be on?

post #5149 of 37339

I haven't ever tried plugging it in to anything other than the console, but leaving it on constantly doesn't seem to be a problem. My Mixamp doesn't ever get turned off - it's basically been on constantly since I got it a couple years ago.

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Originally Posted by AxelDaemon View Post

So the Q701, the Labtech LVA 7330, and the mixamp finally arrived.

 

So here's the impression from a complete greenhorn without proper lingo.

 

Set things up to the PC.  With just a 3.5 mini to RCA on onboard audio to Mixamp to the Q701.  Using foobar.

 

Congrats on the new gear!
 

I hope you plan on hooking the mixamp up with an optical cable for gaming? 

 

And the mixamp isn't that impressive for music.  If your going to be using them alot with music you should probalby look into a DAC/amp...

post #5151 of 37339

 

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Originally Posted by AxelDaemon View Post

So the Q701, the Labtech LVA 7330, and the mixamp finally arrived.

 

So here's the impression from a complete greenhorn without proper lingo.

 

Set things up to the PC.  With just a 3.5 mini to RCA on onboard audio to Mixamp to the Q701.  Using foobar.


The Mixamp's meant more for console use. You would have had a lot more bang for the buck just getting an internal sound card and a dedicated dynamic headphone amp.

 

...Wait a minute. Did you actually buy the Mixamp to use as an amplifier, rather than a Dolby Headphone DSP (for which it needs a Dolby Digital signal over S/PDIF to work properly)?

post #5152 of 37339
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Originally Posted by AxelDaemon View Post
So the Q701, the Labtech LVA 7330, and the Mix-amp finally arrived.

So here's the impression from a complete greenhorn without proper lingo.

Set things up to the PC.  With just a 3.5 mini to RCA on on-board audio to Mix-amp to the Q701.  Using foobar. 


Does you motherboard have a digital optical output?

If you do have optical output, then try an optical cable from motherboard to Mix-amp.

The DAC in the mix-amp might be better then the DAC in your motherboard.

Also using optical allows you 5.1 channel surround sound with headphones.

The 3.5mm to RCA is only 2 channel (stereo).

 

 

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-facepalm- I figured I should've mentioned I knew all this before hand so you didn't have to post all that.  But I appreciate everyone's concern.

 

@NamelessPFG, PurpleAngel: Nope absolutely not, it definitely was meant for the convenience of being able to hook up a PS3, etc and for the Dolby DSP and mainly game with it.  Music is a 2nd/last priority.  But it's the first thing I could do immediately so I figured I'd talk about it. I figured the sound quality would be affected, so I did have a suspicion that the mixamp would sort of "bottle neck" in terms of the quality. 

 

And no the motherboard doesn't have an optical out, hence why I made do with hooking it up with a 3.5 Mini to RCA.  If I did I'd have mentioned that instead.  The only other AMP I was deciding on was the Fiio E9, but that was a "just in case" when the Q701 needed more juice while it was being used on the PS3 with chatting. 

 

For that matter in the concept of "bottle necking" does this apply to sound chains?  For an extreme example.  Once you have a bad amp in the sound chain, it'll affect the rest/output right?

 

In any case what other budget amps for music listening on the PC do you recommend?  Trying to remember on the terminology; I'd like for it to be "clean" and "neutral" when it outputs things.  Actually with the sound card (Titanium HD) having a built in amp (in all its connections or just one of em?) and connected together with something like the Fiio E9 is more than satisfactory right?

 

EDIT: Actually googling around on Head-Fi it seems like the Fiio E9 is pretty satisfactory on a budget.  And this was meant as a stand alone AMP, what more with an amp from the sound card.

 

Anywho the Titanium HD was already planned to be purchased later in the year and again music listening isn't on the top of my list, but I do casually listen to music from time to time.  The priorities I set out first was "get the headphone worry bout the amps later." as someone once said.  And when my PS3 comes I needed the Mixamp for hook-up.  Then the microphone for modding to the Q701 later on, that way I can use it while chatting.


Edited by AxelDaemon - 4/15/12 at 7:12pm
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Oh, I see now. The Mixamp was for your PS3 all along, but it's just a placeholder on the PC side of things until you can bring in the rest of the gear.

 

The Titanium HD + FiiO E9 should be enough for your Q701, if the E9's reputation around here is anything to go by.

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Hey guys, I'd appreciate any advice on an issue I'd raised before: MixAmp (pre 2010) + 2nd amp (iBasso T3), what would you recommend the MixAmp's volume to be?

 

Comparing JH13 to DT880 on MixAmp only (with Mass Effect 3), I could hear crackly distortion with the 880 but not the 13, every time I made a mass effect relay jump. 

post #5156 of 37339
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Originally Posted by AxelDaemon View Post
-facepalm- I figured I should've mentioned I knew all this before hand so you didn't have to post all that.  But I appreciate everyone's concern.

@NamelessPFG, PurpleAngel: Nope absolutely not, it definitely was meant for the convenience of being able to hook up a PS3, etc and for the Dolby DSP and mainly game with it.  Music is a 2nd/last priority.  But it's the first thing I could do immediately so I figured I'd talk about it. I figured the sound quality would be affected, so I did have a suspicion that the mixamp would sort of "bottle neck" in terms of the quality. 

And no the motherboard doesn't have an optical out, hence why I made do with hooking it up with a 3.5 Mini to RCA.  If I did I'd have mentioned that instead.  The only other AMP I was deciding on was the Fiio E9, but that was a "just in case" when the Q701 needed more juice while it was being used on the PS3 with chatting. 

For that matter in the concept of "bottle necking" does this apply to sound chains?  For an extreme example.  Once you have a bad amp in the sound chain, it'll affect the rest/output right?

In any case what other budget amps for music listening on the PC do you recommend?  Trying to remember on the terminology; I'd like for it to be "clean" and "neutral" when it outputs things.  Actually with the sound card (Titanium HD) having a built in amp (in all its connections or just one of em?) and connected together with something like the Fiio E9 is more than satisfactory right?

EDIT: Actually googling around on Head-Fi it seems like the Fiio E9 is pretty satisfactory on a budget.  And this was meant as a stand alone AMP, what more with an amp from the sound card.

Anywho the Titanium HD was already planned to be purchased later in the year and again music listening isn't on the top of my list, but I do casually listen to music from time to time.  The priorities I set out first was "get the headphone worry bout the amps later." as someone once said.  And when my PS3 comes I needed the Mixamp for hook-up.  Then the microphone for modding to the Q701 later on, that way I can use it while chatting.


Try hooking the Q701 straight into the Titanium HD first, maybe you will not need the E9.

 

 

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Did you even read what was being said?... 
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Edited by Hawaiiancerveza - 4/16/12 at 12:56am
post #5158 of 37339
AxelDaemon:
Have u ever worn a pair of Sennheiser HD580/600/650's or Beyerdynamic DT880/990 Premiums? Minimal clamping force, very comfy pads, fantastic headband. The AKGs fail on all 3 fronts. The headband doesn't extend out enough, too much clamp, super hard pads, and a stupid rigid no cushion headband. Look at Sennheisers line with the soft inch of cushion up top. I'm just saying AKG didn't even try when compared to the competition.

That said, their superior soundstage allows for a vey different, very immersive experience that I'm really beginning to enjoy. It's just that some modifications will be needed to match what I'm used to...a well worn in pair of sennheisers and Beyers.
Edited by Jodiuh - 4/16/12 at 3:04am
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Nope, pretty much a newborn baby at all of this.  So the Q701 is my first.  (Well 2nd if you count the A40 as a first hah)


Edited by AxelDaemon - 4/16/12 at 8:25am
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question about dolby headphone:

Isn't it best to use it with IEM headphones? Assuming the game actually has surround sound.

 

Cause then you will have 5.1>stereo with hrtf information for surround with dolby headphone, and that should go directly to the ear drum I imagine.

 

If it touches the head and outer ear, then your own hrtf will be interfering with the dolby one, no?

 

specifically, I think something like the yamaha eph 100 should technically be the best if this is true, since it is designed to not deflect off the ear canal as much as other iem.

 

 

Also, I don't know if this has been brought up before, but for pc gaming, you have to:

1. Tell the game to output 5.1 to windows (set 5.1 in audio options)

2. Tell windows to output 5.1 to the sound card (set 5.1 in audio control panel)

3. Tell the sound card to use dolby headphone on the incoming 5.1

 

If you don't maintain 5.1 till the very end, the spatial aspect of the sound gets pretty much destroyed.

 

Consoles, I imagine you just tell the thing to output dolby 5.1 via spdif, and then tell your mixamp, which presumably automatically decodes it,  to use dolby headphone.


Edited by mindbomb - 4/16/12 at 5:43pm
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