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post #3166 of 37339

So is this hiss that apparent for the wireless mixamp? Would the PC 360 fall under insensitive cans that make the hiss non existent? I really hate subtle sounds that cause annoyances... but the mixamp pro would be so inconvenient for me. So as far as PC 360 vs MMX 300.. it seems the MMX 300 are more fun of cans? But then I see MLE you say they should be bass light? It seems a larger soundstage would be better for gaming so would that ultimately put me with the PC 360? So there are no other cans that can beat the PC 360?? With a proportional increase in price?
 

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The wireless hiss is louder than the wired, which is pretty silent in comparison.
As for attaching an external amp, the hiss didn't seem to be affected or amplified. I assume that as long as the extrenal amp is quite itself, you will only hear the hiss from the Mixamp itself. i tried it two ways:
Maxing out the wireless master volume, and controlling the volume with the external amp.
Leaving the Mixamp at a lower volume for less hiss, and raising the volume on the external amp.
The hiss was the same either way, so I'd still recommend maxing out the Mixamp for the most dynamic range.
Also, if you're using insensitive headphones like say the DT990/600ohm, the hiss is almost non-existent, even amplified.
The hiss doesn't bother me enough to replace the wireless for the Pro.


 


Edited by jghost23 - 1/13/12 at 10:32am
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My guess.

Beyerdynamic DT770 Premium 32-Ohm.

 

 


Correct. the Beyerdynamic MMX300

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Which is a DT770/32 with a mic. The QPad ones have the same exact specs, price, and everything in between. The only difference is the color scheme, and the ugly Qpad branding right on the cups. Branding aside, I prefer the looks on the Qpad version.

In any case, you could just get a DT770/32 and buy the antlion mod mic and save some cash.


 

 

The MMX 300 is based on the 250 Ohm version.  And if you like the color scheme but not the branding, there's always Manufaktur.  Spend an extra 29 USD to have them lacquer them up.   You can specify to omit the little USB sound card which actually brings the price down to $ 319 if you leave it otherwise stock.  Kinda funny that they charge the same for leatherette and leather ear pads on this phone.

 

Edit: Oh wait, it looks like Headroom's specs are wrong, the MMX 300 is 32 Ohm.  


Edited by Phos - 1/13/12 at 12:04pm
post #3168 of 37339

Which would produce less hiss? Beyerdynamic MMX300 or PC 360? Or both produce barely any hiss when paired with the wireless mixamp?

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I'm not totally sure what you mean by double amp, but I think the answer is no.  You don't want to feed an amplified output into a input designed for a line signal.  If you do that, it no longer really matters what headphones you're using as far as sound quality is concerned.


You'd have to pair a few really bad amps with a pair of really good headphones before the distortion from the amps exceed the distortion from the headphones.  Amps have better performance into high impedance loads like a line in.  Cheap amps usually have much better performance in higher impedance loads since the exceeding cheap opamps many of them use aren't even designed to drive low impedance loads at low distortion.

 

The most audible defect you'll likely get is a raised noise floor.

post #3170 of 37339

Double amp? They have discussed this several times on the thread no? Mixamp> E9? for an example

post #3171 of 37339

Yes.  It has been mentioned before but someone said it was so bad it would negate difference between headphones so I though a rebuttal was required.

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So I'm ordering the C-2.2. and NFB 3.1. Now I'm broke. Lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/13/12 at 5:12pm
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What are those? If you would not mind enlightening me.

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So I'm ordering the C-2.2. and NFB 3.1. Now I'm broke. Lol.


 

post #3174 of 37339
Thread Starter 
Audio-GD C-2.2 - External amp.
Audio-GD NFB 3.1 - External DAC

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Think of them as a pretty big upgrade to the Fiio E7/E9. The C-2.2 is 2.5x as powerful as the E9 at 600ohms. C-2.2 is 200mw@600ohms, while the E9 is 80mw@600ohms. My DT990 will benefit...

They will cost me over $800 together, so yeah... it better be. frown.gif


http://www.audio-gd.com/PriceList.htm

I also bought the Earth op-Amps, as well as the ACSS cables. They won't work together, as the ACSS cables will bypass the op-amps, but for whenever I plug in other sources directly to the C-2.2 (like the Mixamp), I will benefit from the Earth op-amps which are neutral compared to the stock op-amps.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/13/12 at 5:56pm
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what kind of headphones require that type of hardware to drive? Seems insane? lol. Could you answer my question about pc360 vs MMX 300 as far as hissing and stuff?

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Most headphones benefit from a lot of power, even easy to drive ones. This should make my headphones soar, especially the DT990/600.

I haven't heard the MMX300, so I can't answer. I think they're probably a little less sensitive than the PC360, so they should be slightly (I stress that) quieter. When you're playing games, the hiss will be an absolute non-issue, as you'll be paying attention to everything else. It's not a big deal.
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Ok thanks, much appreciated. So it looks like I'll go with the PC 360s.. as no one has thought of any other headsets that cost proportionally as much more as the increase in quality. I saw some CES stuff for 2012 but didn't see any headsets coming out that are better. Shrugs.
 

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Most headphones benefit from a lot of power, even easy to drive ones. This should make my headphones soar, especially the DT990/600.
I haven't heard the MMX300, so I can't answer. I think they're probably a little less sensitive than the PC360, so they should be slightly (I stress that) quieter. When you're playing games, the hiss will be an absolute non-issue, as you'll be paying attention to everything else. It's not a big deal.


 

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If I were getting the DT 990 pro for immersion, which second amp should I get to help drive them? I'll end up using PC 360 for competitive gaming and the DT 990s for immersion/fun. PC 360 will just use mixamp of course.

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You'd have to pair a few really bad amps with a pair of really good headphones before the distortion from the amps exceed the distortion from the headphones.  Amps have better performance into high impedance loads like a line in.  Cheap amps usually have much better performance in higher impedance loads since the exceeding cheap opamps many of them use aren't even designed to drive low impedance loads at low distortion.

 

The most audible defect you'll likely get is a raised noise floor.


 

 

This is correct. The whole issue of double amping is blown way out of proportion. I've been double amping for 6+ months and have never had any problems.

 

*That said, you obviously don't want to run the headphone jack on the Lyr into the inputs on something like the Mixamp. You'd fry that Mixamp pretty fast. Fortunately, the Mixamp doesn't provide much juice so it's okay to run it into the Lyr's input. I have my Mixamp at 100% volume feeding the Lyr with no ill effects.


Edited by Rebel975 - 1/13/12 at 6:37pm
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sounds like a dope setup. What set of cans do you use for competitive gaming? And for immersion (unless you use one set for both purposes)? Nvm, checked your sig. Too bad they are headphones and not a headset :/

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This is correct. The whole issue of double amping is blown way out of proportion. I've been double amping for 6+ months and have never had any problems.

 

*That said, you obviously don't want to run the headphone jack on the Lyr into the inputs on something like the Mixamp. You'd fry that Mixamp pretty fast. Fortunately, the Mixamp doesn't provide much juice so it's okay to run it into the Lyr's input. I have my Mixamp at 100% volume feeding the Lyr with no ill effects.



 


Edited by jghost23 - 1/13/12 at 6:52pm
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