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MLE, what about the HD800's? Aren't Sens known for having rather tame base? The only reason I haven't been considering them is they are open cans. I don't know if you've played with the full Tesla (T1, T5P, etc) line either, I imagine they might have a can or two which might interest you.


Edited by Evarin - 12/17/11 at 6:52am
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Yesterday, I played my friend, who owned a pair of Astra A40s and a Mixamp (while I had a stunning XB500 and NOTHING ELSE), in MW3, and I absolutely destroyed him.

That's pretty bad, eh?
Edited by Tus-Chan - 12/17/11 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post

MLE, what about the HD800's? Aren't Sens known for having rather tame base? The only reason I haven't been considering them is they are open cans. I don't know if you've played with the full Tesla (T1, T5P, etc) line either, I imagine they might have a can or two which might interest you.


With my horrific barely minimum wage job, there is no chance I'll ever be able to try anything in that price range. The D7000 was a terrible impulse buy which I couldn't afford.

If I had the funds, the ONLY headphone I'm interested in, is the Beyer T1. Nothing else matters but that headphone for me.
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Mad Lust Envy, based on your experience with the AD700s, do you think that the A700s (apparently the closed version of the AD700s) would be a good alternative to the AD700s, seeing as how, according to reviews, they have MOAR BASS at the expense of some highs (and probably some soundstage, being closed)?

I liked what I heard on the OP of this thread about the AD700s, but if the bass is really that anemic and weak, I'll never be able to appreciate them after using XB500s for gaming for so long.
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Anyone ever tried the Ultrasone HFi780's with the Mixamp? Thinking about buying them for music, but wondering if they'd be a fun set of headphones for single player games... not tried the PC360 with a SP game yet and I'm sure it'd be more than fine, just wondering really. :)

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Once again (not your fault), but the A700 is NOT a closed version of the AD700. They sound nothing alike, and are from different A-T lines. I couldn't say how good the A700 is, but you can't compare them to the AD700. Last I remember the A700 has more in common with the lower end AD500 in terms of performance.

The XB500 is a hurdle you'll have to pass at some point. It's all bass, not much else. If you want stellar cans that will maintain a lot of bass, the DT990 Pro would be it. If you must have closed with a lot of bass, the DT770 Pro 80. Both of those offer some amazing positional cues.
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Anyone tried the FA-003s with the mixamp? 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post
With my horrific barely minimum wage job, there is no chance I'll ever be able to try anything in that price range. The D7000 was a terrible impulse buy which I couldn't afford.
If I had the funds, the ONLY headphone I'm interested in, is the Beyer T1. Nothing else matters but that headphone for me.


I figured anyone with an unlimited budget would ask for an SR-009 or Orpheus HE90...then again, if they don't use velour pads, that may be enough grounds for disqualification in your case.

 

Anyway, I just got the SU-DH1 today. Sure enough, it was everything I expected, with the ability to hear surround sound with typical headphones out of my old Xbox for once. I could distinctly hear whether sounds were to the front or rear. (Haven't tested it yet with my GCN/Wii games and Pro Logic II, though.) For that, I'll keep it.

 

Right now, I'm doing further testing on my PC to see how it compares to CMSS-3D Headphone (and also to see how well Dolby Digital Live and DTS Connect work on X-Fi cards; turns out they work fairly well).

 

So far, I've found that CMSS-3D Headphone fares a lot better imaging-wise in DirectSound3D and OpenAL titles, especially regarding the sense of height; can't say I'm all that surprised when one has access to a 3D sound space and the other only works with 5.1. In XAudio2, FMOD, and other software audio-driven titles, they're about even. Both make the upper midrange sound kind of weird in a tone generator (tinny, perhaps?), but I don't actually notice this while gaming.

 

In terms of hiss, I actually don't hear any with the HTF600 unless I turn it up near maximum, by which point those headphones will be deafeningly loud. Unfortunately, my Stax setup does pick it up even with the SU-DH1 volume knob turned all the way down and the amp turned up a bit...but weirdly enough, it's gone now after fiddling a bit with the SU-DH1 volume knob. I'm not sure what went on there, but another thing I noticed was that it seemed like the hiss went away after I actually played something. It's still not the cleanest analog output out there, certainly no contest compared to a half-decent sound card, and I can only wonder how well the Mixamp and Ear Force DSS fare by comparison.

 

I almost forgot to mention: the SU-DH1 will accept 44.1 KHz, 48 KHz, and 88.2 KHz, but NOT 96 KHz if that matters to anyone.

 

In any case, what I've learned from this is that Dolby Headphone does indeed deliver at what it's supposed to do, and I'd definitely suggest keeping such a DAC/DSP around if you're into modern console gaming.


Edited by NamelessPFG - 12/17/11 at 2:49pm
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Yesterday, I played my friend, who owned a pair of Astra A40s and a Mixamp (while I had a stunning XB500 and NOTHING ELSE), in MW3, and I absolutely destroyed him.
That's pretty bad, eh?


Talent beats superiority in headphones. 

 

I'd say the game is 70% talent/reaction time/visual ques, and 30% sound.

 

However, a 30% increase in your game is a big jump. 

 

And, the A40's really arent that good at all. 

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Mad Lust Envy, based on your experience with the AD700s, do you think that the A700s (apparently the closed version of the AD700s) would be a good alternative to the AD700s, seeing as how, according to reviews, they have MOAR BASS at the expense of some highs (and probably some soundstage, being closed)?
I liked what I heard on the OP of this thread about the AD700s, but if the bass is really that anemic and weak, I'll never be able to appreciate them after using XB500s for gaming for so long.


It's not about appreciating their sound. Its about what they do for improving your game.

 

It sounds like you play FPS shooters, which means you want something bass light that wont drown out footsteps.

 

AD700 has the perfect sound signature for sound whoring, albeit a little harsh in the highs at times.

 

Sacrificing detail and soundstage is not something you want to do, and increasing bass isnt really either.

 

It's something you just have to tolerate, because hearing someones footsteps before they hear yours can be the difference between life and death in that game, especially against good players. 

 

How about you just use the AD700 for competitive FPS gaming and use your XB500's for casual and recreational gaming?

 

 

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Wise words, Vonx.

The XB500 isn't going to give you any competitive improvement.

Bass certainly not a bad thing, but you'd want unobtrusive bass, that doesn't drown out the details. A perfect example of the bass you want is DT880 and PREMIUM DT990 type bass. It's strong, but clearly separated from mids and highs. The D7000 has great big bass that doesn't drown out details, but it's so big that you will be distracted by it.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/17/11 at 4:22pm
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I don't use the XB500s out of any sort of personal preference... I use them because they're the only headphones I own. I'm just saying that a complete in utter change from EXTRA BASS to "Dude, where's my bass?" would be quite the shocking transition.

In fact, after listening to them for hours a day for nearly half a year, I hate them. I can't stand them, but I need them because my only alternative is TV speakers, which are simply unacceptable if I want to maintain any semblance or facade of clarity in my sound.

Once I get a job, that situation will change.

Ironically, the headphone I asked to get for Christmas is the PRO700mk2, so... maybe in retrospect I could have made my choice with gaming in mind. biggrin.gif

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I'd say the game is 70% talent/reaction time/visual ques, and 30% sound.

However, a 30% increase in your game is a big jump.

And just for fun, judging by this, my MW3 K/D, by my calculations, would rise up to a fairly meaty 2.34 (1.80x1.30), or even a 2.57 (1.80/0.70, though this is generous because it implies that I'm missing the full 30% of the sound game), so I really might want to improve my sound situation as soon as possible. tongue.gif
Edited by Tus-Chan - 12/17/11 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Tus-Chan View Post

I don't use the XB500s out of any sort of personal preference... I use them because they're the only headphones I own. I'm just saying that a complete in utter change from EXTRA BASS to "Dude, where's my bass?" would be quite the shocking transition.
In fact, after listening to them for hours a day for nearly half a year, I hate them. I can't stand them, but I need them because my only alternative is TV speakers, which are simply unacceptable if I want to maintain any semblance or facade of clarity in my sound.
Once I get a job, that situation will change.
Ironically, the headphone I asked to get for Christmas is the PRO700mk2, so... maybe in retrospect I could have made my choice with gaming in mind. biggrin.gif
And just for fun, judging by this, my MW3 K/D, by my calculations, would rise up to a fairly meaty 2.34 (1.80x1.30), or even a 2.57 (1.80/0.70, though this is generous because it implies that I'm missing the full 30% of the sound game), so I really might want to improve my sound situation as soon as possible. tongue.gif


Yes, you should.

 

I myself have the ax720's, which are more than I even need, and I have a 3.99 overall k/d and a 4.05 in free-for-all, with a 6.7 w/l, ranked probably around 500 in the world now, but was once in the upper 40's, (yes 40's, with one zero) during the first week and had the second best k/d in the top 100

 

Of course, I have also been playing cod since the cod 4 days and have played GB with some of the worlds greatest teams to get that good (think bT performance, team violent apprehension)

 

I havn't played in about 4 days tho since i got banned for innappropriate bio :D

 

I get XBL back on the 21st

 

To be perfectly honest tho, ive gotten sick to death of mw3


Edited by Vonx - 12/17/11 at 4:40pm
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Haa.... I've never played much with anyone who was any good... I have the highest K/D on my friends list and I've never been in a clan. You could probably teach me a lot. tongue.gif

My Gamertag is LlamaDethMob1le, if you're interested.

Speaking of the AX720's, I did a Google search for them, and do they come with enough cords? wink.gif
Edited by Tus-Chan - 12/17/11 at 4:45pm
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Haa.... I've never played much with anyone who was any good... I have the highest K/D on my friends list and I've never been in a clan. You could probably teach me a lot. tongue.gif
My Gamertag is LlamaDethMob1le, if you're interested.
Speaking of the AX720's, I did a Google search for them, and do they come with enough cords? wink.gif


Its not as many as you think, and they arent as abrasive as you think. The optical cord is very short, and goes from the back of the decoder to your xbox HDMI cable

 

One is just a power outlet, another is for the headphones itself to connect to the decoder unit, and the adapter cord you will never use unless you connect to a PC with them.

 

The only cord that protrudes out from behind all your equipment is the headphone cord itself, which is rather long but doesnt really get in the way of anything. 

 

My gamertag is RID(lowercase L)CULE, so it looks like RIDlCULE. 

 

You can add me and I can accept it when i get back on after the ban ends, but my FL might be full

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