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When you come back to audiophiles world, skip D7000 and jump straight Edition 8, They rock :P

 

I want a TV of that size ... :P

 

Welcome back MLE

 


Nah, if I went back to the audiophile world, it would be for cans in the range of $200-350, which is where I find price/performance to be at it's best. I loved delving into the higher end stuff, but I found it unnecessary when the mid-fi was just so damn good.

Not back, fyi, just visiting. I find it better for my sanity and wallet to stay away. XD

Munchy, I couldn't have put it better myself. I too feel the DT990 definitely need an amp in conjunction with the Mixamp, even 32ohm variants. Beyer dropped the ball in the 32ohm versions, since those are still very power hungry, and regularly go for more than the 250ohms and 600ohm..
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/6/11 at 3:18pm
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Well after lurking around for quite awhile, reading up, and using nothing by 20$ headphones most of my life, i just purchased some 598s off amazon per your advice, Mad Lust Envy. Gonna be using them for gaming, and music while gaming. I'll likely be updating here with what i think of em. Im under the impression i won't be disappointed :)  

 

Thanks for all the info!

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As long as you don't expect booming bass, you won't be.
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Great post MunchyGut, thanks!
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Wow... the HTX7 is exceptionally....dark. No...just no. The KSC35 stomps all over the HTX7. Oh well, what could I expect for $30.

Wondewr why it's blank....

Again...

Wow... the HTX7 is exceptionally....dark. No...just no. The KSC35 stomps all over the HTX7. Oh well, what could I expect for $30. It does bass well though, so it's a guilty pleasure for when I just want some massive thump.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/6/11 at 2:01pm
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MLE, do you prefer the KSC35 to the 75? 

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MLE, do you prefer the KSC35 to the 75? 


Yes, after having spent so much time with both, I found the KSC35 to have a much fuller sound, more akin to a full sized headphone. The KSC75 is great (especially at the price), but it sounds somewhat constricted in comparison. I do prefer the brighter signature of the KSC75, but overall, the merits of the KSC35 outweight the brightness of the KSC75. The bass has body to it to.

I don't spend much time using the KSC35 for gaming, but I don't exactly think they are great for it. I don't have the usual games that I base my testing on, so I can't really give them a rating.

As much as I'd like to give it a chance, the HTX7 is packed up and ready for a return. They are just terribad. They make the KSC35 sound bright.... they are just so muddy and dark. No thanks.

Gah, awhile ago, I bent the KSC75 clips a bit too much, and couldn't put them back in the right spot, so I tossed them. They weren't getting any use over the KSC35 anyway. The KSC35 clips are plastic and don't compare to the KSC75 clips, but they are in the perfect position to get the best out of the clip on's sound.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/6/11 at 3:18pm
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Hmm.. I would jump on the KSC35, except that they're $45 eek.gif

 

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EDIT:  It looks like Sporta Pro + Clips = KSC35...


Edited by chicolom - 12/6/11 at 3:45pm
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If you need a mic: PC360. I own the PC360, while my old longtime roomie owns the AX720. The PC360 is a clear step up. The bass is a little stronger on the Ax720 (due to it's closed design), but the PC360's bass is good and isn't lacking compared to the mids and highs. It's well balanced, with better details than the AX720, much better soundstage, and better DH positioning.
BTW, words can't express how much I miss audiophile headphones. Oh, my dear D7000 and HE4.... sacrificed for the better good (in this case a 65" Panasonic Plasma, lol).


You never mentioned what i should get if i dont need a mic!

 

Im guessing 701's? or hd598's? whats your idea?

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You never mentioned what i should get if i dont need a mic!

I'm guessing 701's? or hd598's? whats your idea?


The ATH-AD700s lack of bass is a turn off (besides, I'm not a FPS gamer).

Get the Sennheiser HD-558s, go to Electronics-Expo, use the coupon code "BOUNTII".

 

 

 

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I use Q701s.  HD558s or 598s would be good too...Q701 has some differences.

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I use Q701s.  HD558s or 598s would be good too...Q701 has some differences.



Can you compare them? Which one reigns superior for FPS gaming, in your opinion?


Edited by Vonx - 12/7/11 at 1:36am
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Can you compare them? Which one reigns superior for FPS gaming?


Sure wink.gif

 

TL;DR - If your just using them for FPS gaming I would probably go with one of the Sennheisers

 

Q701s are definitely better for single player gaming/immersion though.

 

Q701s

 

Sound more realistic, smoother, "musical", and natural, but this doesn't necessarily mean they're better for FPS gaming.  The Q701s have a fuller weightier sound than the PC360.  PC360s sound more hollow. I think for FPS gaming, the Sennheisers emphasize the frequencies you want to hear better.  Q701s to me are a little warmer sounding, fuller, punchier, and have stronger deeper bass then the Sennheisers.  The soundstage is also taller/and "bigger" sounding.  The actual distance between objects is similar.  The Q701 sometimes makes objects sound a little closer, which I think is in part due to the less airy sound.  Positioning is good on both.

 

The Sennheisers (HD5xx, PC360)

 

Keep in mind I've only heard the PC360s, but the sound should be quite similiar among the HD5xx/PC360...

 

The Senns sound a little colder/more analytical to me, probably because they have more upper mid/lower treble emphasis. While the Q701s are more detailed and the treble extends higher, the other frequencies (bass/mids) are fuller on the Q701s which make the treble balanced/not emphasized.  In comparison, at the same volume the Sennheisers will push the upper mids/treble they have more, making it come out stronger in the balance.  Also the lower frequencies are weaker in the balance compared to the Q's - which is good for FPS (just look at the AD700s !!). 

 

  • So for strictly FPS gaming, I'd recommend the Senns as they emphasizes and etch out the FPS frequencies (foostep, reload, etc.) more than the Q701s do without distracting bass.

 

 

A note on the AD700s: 

 

MunchyGut hit the nail on the head with his description of the AD700s (below)

 

  • I would like to add that I would still reach for the Senns over the AD700s for competitive multiplayer.  The AD700 sharpen and etch out the "FPS" detail even more then the Senns, but IMO it's too much at that point and sounds way too thin and sharp.  You sacrifice your enjoyment of the audio for that extra emphasis.  The 10/10 positioning isn't worth that sacrifice IMO. 

 

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Ad700 - These cans offer the best positional audio of any pair I have ever heard.  With a DH source, they are perfect for gaming in Multiplayer environments, when your objective is to gain an advantage over your opponents.  If you are looking to be immersed in the environment, they both greatly succeed and fall short at the same time.  You will hear every small detail that the game gives off, and know exactly where your opponents are.  This however, does not mean that you will hear the footsteps of your opponents on the complete other side of the map.  It means that if someone is close enough to kill you, you will know it if you pay attention.  These come highly recommended from me.  They look dorky, but are very comfortable imo, and I have an average sized head.  They will move a bit if you whip your head, but when gaming, who does that?  You are staring straight at the screen the whole time.  Overall, compared to the 720s and the DT990s, I would say that they are a 10/10 for positional accuracy, and about a 4/10 for just having fun while playing.  You will not hear explosions, or the rumble of gunfire or anything like that.  It will be there, sure, but it will not make you **** your pants in excitement.  Music wise, stick to classical only.  I can not exaggerate this enough.  Look elsewhere if you want one pair of headphones for both gaming and music, or SP gaming and MP gaming.


Edited by chicolom - 5/3/12 at 2:55pm
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Sure wink.gif

 

TL;DR - If your just using them for FPS gaming I would probably go with one of the Sennheisers

 

Q701s are definitely better for single player gaming/immersion though.

 

Q701s

 

Sound more realistic, smoother, "musical", and natural, but this doesn't necessarily mean they're better for FPS gaming.  I think for FPS gaming, the Sennheisers emphasize the frequencies you want to hear better.  Q701s to me are a little warmer sounding, fuller, punchier, and have stronger deeper bass then the Sennheisers.  The soundstage is also taller/and "bigger" sounding.  Positioning is about the same though.

 

The Sennheisers (HD5xx, PC360)

 

Keep in mind I've only heard the PC360s, but the sound should be quite similiar among the HD5xx/PC360...

 

The Senns sound a little colder/more analytical to me, probably because they have more upper mid/lower treble emphasis. While the Q701s are more detailed and the treble extends higher, the other frequencies (bass/mids) are fuller on the Q701s which make the treble balanced/not emphasized.  In comparison, at the same volume the Sennheisers will push the upper mids/treble they have more, making it come out stronger in the balance.  Also the lower frequencies are weaker in the balance compared to the Q's - which is good for FPS (just look at the AD700s !!). 

 

  • So for strictly FPS gaming, I'd recommend the Senns as they emphasizes and etch out the FPS frequencies (foostep, reload, etc.) more than the Q701s do without distracting bass.

 

 

A note on the AD700s: 

 

MunchyGut hit the nail on the head with his description of the AD700s (below)

 

  • I would like to add that I would still reach for the Senns over the AD700s for competitive multiplayer.  The AD700 sharpen and etch out the "FPS" detail even more then the Senns, but IMO it's too much at that point and sounds way too thin and sharp.  You sacrifice your enjoyment of the audio for that extra emphasis.  The 10/10 positioning isn't worth that sacrifice IMO. 

 

 


wow, thanks for all the effort with the description! 

 

hmmzies, now in terms of strict performance for FPS, which sen sound whores the best?

 

I dont care which one has or doesnt have a mic, im talking strict performance :D 

 

if i had these headphones, i would do a footstep, reload test to see which one has the loudest frequencies at the furthest distances with a buddy and have him run toward me and reload at different distances like i did with my 720's :D

 

although i dont have them so i cant compare :(

 

anyone have a say?

 

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