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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I honestly don't think the Audioquest are worth $34. They are no better than $5 optical cables.

EDIT: Reworded post.
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Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post

all Optical cables less than a certain length function the same ,  Analog cables are different.
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Originally Posted by Eeaeau View Post

I have looked at all the cables now and i think i will go for the 20$ pyst cables if it isn't any big difference, $100 for cables is a bit to mutch...

then i will ether go for the pyst usb cable or this ...http://www.mimic-cables.com/collections/sleeved-cables/products/custom-usb-cable.

Then i have all i need right ?

anyways thanks for your help smily_headphones1.gif


There is so much audio hype-ology around cables.
FWIR, as long as the DAC is receiving the red light from an Optical cable and can tell when said light is ON/off, that's all it needs. Over a long range, the energy (brightness) of an optical cable could be so weak that the DAC can't quite tell if it's on or off... but I haven't had to thread a cable that long. Optical only transmits on/off digital bits, so it either works or it doesn't.
USB is similar to optical, except it's slightly easier to pick up interference and get small errors, in normal usage there ought to be no difference in cables (besides aesthetic look).

Analogue cables like RCA connectors may actually have some truth to quality difference. They're like the power line that runs to your house, except the strength of the electric pulse determines how much your headphone driver vibrates, the analogue pulse moves the driver this fast, that far. An amp is like a transformer or power relay, boosting the power and allowing you to control the output, with really high input impedance to try and widen the gap between the music signal and random noise/hiss. Copper is a great electrical conductor, second only to Silver on the periodic table and more flexible and much cheaper, as long as there isn't any corrosion/rust from oxygen in it the signal will pass through. As long as a cable is insulated from external energy (coiled copper can act as an antenna or magnet), not bent/kinked (outer edge of bend becomes weak, possibly resulting in a poor conductive connection and eventually might break), and has a firm connection between plug and jack, the cable will carry great sound.

You need every piece of a sound system (some parts may be integrated with others), but the order of how much a component upgrade will affect the overall sound quality is headphone>digital file quality (Kbps, effects processing and such)>amp>DAC>cables/interconnects. All that is subject to diminishing returns as you go up in price, and all of it could be messed up if one piece is garbage/broken. For me, all my components are in the same room, and cables would be the LAST thing I'd upgrade since I think I've already hit the point of diminishing returns with my RadioShack RCA cables that don't have any defects or kinks. Someday I might upgrade my RCA cable, mostly just because the cheap plastic housing looks weird connected to my Schiit Bifrost Uber and Class-A SET tube amp, but since I couldn't hear a difference between a monster cable and these the upgrade is very low-priority.
Edited by Evshrug - 5/20/14 at 12:34pm
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I think DACs and AMPs are equally important.

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Originally Posted by Eeaeau View Post
 

but the pyst rca cable will sound better then them right ?

 

That's a whole can of worms that we're not going to open up here. If you want to know more, head over to the Sound Science section of the forums. I use these as RCA interconnects. I split them apart and they sound great. They are a bit stiff though. 

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Originally Posted by Eeaeau View Post
 

I have looked at all the cables now and i think i will go for the 20$ pyst cables if it isn't any big difference, $100 for cables is a bit to mutch...
then i will ether go for the pyst usb cable or this ...http://www.mimic-cables.com/collections/sleeved-cables/products/custom-usb-cable.
Then i have all i need right ?

anyways thanks for your help :)


Just get the pyst ones and your good to go.. don't bother with that other usb cable mate, it won't be any better!

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Originally Posted by Murder Mike View Post
 

 

That's a whole can of worms that we're not going to open up here. If you want to know more, head over to the Sound Science section of the forums. I use these as RCA interconnects. I split them apart and they sound great. They are a bit stiff though. 


Sound science is a load of crap mate..if you have high end gear that costs thousands you will here a difference with better cables..nordost are the ones to get if you have the best of the best hifi gear but that's a different story!

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Originally Posted by Sam21 View Post

I think DACs and AMPs are equally important.
Sure! I just ordered them that way because my experience was that I hit the point of diminishing returns sooner with DACs than with amps. My $200 tube amp gave me a higher personal increase in enjoyment than the upgrade to my $400 DAC. Half of he time I don't even use the DAC, just the one built-in to my SB Omni.
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Sound science is a load of crap mate...

Sometimes, certain members will just spout advice without giving any reason why. Most people ignore people that post like that though, anyway.

I'm thinking about returning my RadioShack RCA's and getting the much less expensive Monoprice ones Murder Mike linked, honestly I got the more expensive RS ones just because I had to get cables immediately to test out my DAC.

Right now, I see Mad is streaming, I'm gonna try to join him smily_headphones1.gif
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+1 to what Evs said, I'd probably argue about the difference one can hear between a 256kbps MP3/AAC and a lossless file [FLAC, ALAC, WAV, etc...]

But anything below 196kbps usually starts to sound inferior to higher bitrates...

But the chain order is absolutely correct :D

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Thanks Conq! I tried to take that into account by saying point of diminishing returns, but I didn't specify what that point would be since I know everyone's just a little different wink.gif
Seems Mad stopped streaming... Anyone wanna watch me be goofy with Gun Game for a bit?
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Thanks Conq! I tried to take that into account by saying point of diminishing returns, but I didn't specify what that point would be since I know everyone's just a little different wink.gif
Seems Mad stopped streaming... Anyone wanna watch me be goofy with Gun Game for a bit?

No...
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Damn.
Ok, so the PS4 controller has less background hiss than a Mixamp 5.8, still a little but you have to listen pretty hard with no audio playing, but I am at a huge disadvantage without surround.
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Sometimes, certain members will just spout advice without giving any reason why. Most people ignore people that post like that though, anyway.

I'm thinking about returning my RadioShack RCA's and getting the much less expensive Monoprice ones Murder Mike linked, honestly I got the more expensive RS ones just because I had to get cables immediately to test out my DAC.

Right now, I see Mad is streaming, I'm gonna try to join him smily_headphones1.gif


Don't know if this is a dig or what? the thing with audio cables is they carry the signal along and the better the signal the better the sound..all I was saying is if he gets the better schiit gear later on he could spend a bit more on cables.."Testing audiophile claims and myths" sound science is a load of tosh,only ever been to one head-fi meet and that was in new York, someone who was on that thread(won't say no names) had made a pair of balanced headphone cables and they sounded worse than the stock cables(not balanced) that came with the hd800s(laughable) I wouldn't take any advice off any of them ever, even at gun point..for my arcam rdac I have just got not very expensive Cambridge audio rca cables and optical cable, on my gaming pc with pioneer susano with s81 8.2 speaker set up i have chord company sarum speaker cable and tuned aray rca!


Edited by martin vegas - 5/21/14 at 1:12pm
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Does anyone here have any experience with the HD8 DJ/HD7 DJ in gaming?

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Originally Posted by martin vegas View Post
 

Audiophile grade audioquest start with the diamond backs..anything below that is not really worth bothering about(won't be any different to the $20 pyst cables)..he could get the pyst usb cable and later on if he wants something better he could get nordost blue heaven!

 

I wan't arguing about analog cables, I jsut think getting digital only cables from Audioquest are a waste of money. Analog cables always will have some impact on the sound. It's up to the person buying the stuff to decide whether they want to or not.

 

If you guys are looking for great cables for cheap, look at Belkin Pure AV cables. They easily sound like $100 cables and are like $10.

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Looking for something under $200 canadian for general gaming and occasional music. I have no amp/dac and use the realtek on my mobo. Currently looking at HD 558s, AD-700x and the Bayerdynamic COP. Any suggestions for a canadian whoose looking to buy new?
Edited by ROK1 - 5/22/14 at 4:20pm
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