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Hello all,

 

I am a new poster as of today! I signed up specifically to thank MLE and the rest of you guys for this wonderful in-depth discussion. I WAS going to get the PC 360s. I had them ordered and cancelled it...TWICE, as I am wracked with indecision as to what I want to use for my gaming/music headphones. I have a Wii/360/PS3/PC and game actively across all of them. I also enjoy listening to music, and can see myself making an extremely large upgrade in audio-quality from my current headphones (Motorola Blue-tooth which are pretty awesome, honestly). So, I am looking for a set of headphones that sound phenomenal for single-player gaming, yet still give good positioning, as that IS important in single-player games as well. I *DO* see myself using a chat feature sometimes in the future (Hello Mass Effect 3 Multi-player), but I place FAR more of an emphasis on sound quality, and would highly value the ability for these headphones to transfer over well to music listening. I'm willing to do a secondary mic setup if the sound quality on the higher-end pieces crushes that of the PC 360.

 

I am currently considering the PC 360, HD650 or HD598's (Depending on which you guys think would sound better for single-player gaming), and the DT990 (or 880..whichever has best overall sound quality). I am of course open to other options as well.

 

I've already purchased the Astro 5.8, that is on the way. I just need to know whether to settle for the PC 360 if they are truly superior for gaming music/FX, or to bite the bullet and purchase an AMP and step up to the HDs or AT brand.

 

Finally, as for price, I cannot go higher than 400 dollars. I would rather spend 200-250, but I understand that may not be the best option if I need to purchase an amp.

 

Any guidance you can give would be great. Just keep in mind that my primary focus is on top-quality single-player sound quality. I want Skyrim's music to sound flawless as I realize that giant is sneaking up behind me!

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Err, I should also mention that I already have a fairly high-end Yamaha receiver capable of 7.1 surround sound that powers my speakers. Would this work IN PLACE of an amp for home use?

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Originally Posted by IlSol View Post

Hi everyone! First post! Yaaaaaaay! :)

I've been looking for a headphone for a lot of purposes in the last two months. Here's a list of what i want to do with them:

-Play with a xbox 360 slim connected to my tv via component cable (33%). Note that i'm not a pro gamer and i'd much prefer a headset that can give you an immersive experience to one that can make you kick other people's asses in multiplayer (even though I play on xbox live a good 30% of the time so the "immersive factor" counts 75/100 and the competitive one 25/100)

-Watch hd (when it's possibile :) ) movies and tv series (33%) on a Macbook pro mid 2010

-Listen to different kinds of music (in terms of percentages that would be 40% '70s rock 50% italian old pop music (here's a very good sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYSorczUfEE),                 10% classical music) through an unamped iPhone.

-I don't need a microphone.

 

I'd personally prefer a closed headphone but i am willing to consider an open one if you say that's worth the shot.

My current budget is approximately 180 dollars (not counting the amp, which is the best one under 100 dollars??).

Which product would you suggest me? 

Thanks, Nicola.

 



I think the dt770 80 ohm would do the best of both worlds, but more significantly in the fun factor. They also have great positioning and sound stage for a closed can, but the bass drowns out footsteps for sound whoring ;/

 

But since you probably have no intention to do that in your life, these would be the PERFECT phone.

 

Also a denon ah-dx000 would fit the bill too, but less so for competition

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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

Hey llSol, welcome to Head-Fi. It looks like you're looking for a headphone, not a headset, since the latter means a headphone with a mic (and you stated that you don't need a mic).

You also mentioned you want to use this headphone with your iPhone--so, you will use it when you're outside the house?

 

It would be helpful to know what headphones you have used before.


Thanks for the quick answer!

Let's start with the easier answer: I'm no audiophile, i have only owned several pairs of Apple's standard ear buds and an in-ear Sennheiser cx 200 (which I wouldn't mind if the cable wasn't SO microphonic). I am willing to enter this "world" partly out of curiosity, partly in order to enhance my playing and film experiences and partly because i really love music.

The harder answer: I have really been questioning myself in the last two months on whether I wanted portable headphones or not. The fact is I'm an engineering student and I have to sit on a train for 1 hour and a half five days a week just to follow my lessons. While I'm on the train I generally listen to music and watch tv series on my iphone and I do all this wearing (obviously) headphones. I also wear headphones in study rooms to isolate myself better from the rest of the class. So the answer is yes, I need a pair of portable headphones. The decision on which I am really undecided is whether I want a SINGLE pair of headphones (which would have to do everything well enough) or two pairs (a full-sized for home usage and 40 dollars IEMs for portable usage). It's obvious that one would clearly opt for the second one but I'm not completely convinced yet because I generally listen to music while I'm on the train and rarely when I'm at home (but, again, this habit may well change in the future, since i will have a good pair of headphones at home, which, by the way, would no longer need to be closed since i have my own room to play and listen to music). Which solution would you opt for if you were me?

 



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I think the dt770 80 ohm would do the best of both worlds, but more significantly in the fun factor. They also have great positioning and sound stage for a closed can, but the bass drowns out footsteps for sound whoring ;/

 

But since you probably have no intention to do that in your life, these would be the PERFECT phone.

 

Also a denon ah-dx000 would fit the bill too, but less so for competition


 

I had already checked the dt 770 80 ohm and I must admit I got pretty intrigued. Everyone says that they're really present in the low frequencies, would they suit my music tastes (also considering the sample of Italian music i gave you)? How do they perform with films? Are they any good for competitive gaming??


Edited by IlSol - 11/20/11 at 8:08am
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I was looking around amazon.com and I found the Ultrasone PRO 900 for $390 dropping from $475

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F00F0E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 

I'm not sure how they compare to others but I hear the bass is amazing on these.

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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post
Hello all,

I am a new poster as of today! I signed up specifically to thank MLE and the rest of you guys for this wonderful in-depth discussion. I WAS going to get the PC 360s. I had them ordered and cancelled it...TWICE, as I am wracked with indecision as to what I want to use for my gaming/music headphones. I have a Wii/360/PS3/PC and game actively across all of them. I also enjoy listening to music, and can see myself making an extremely large upgrade in audio-quality from my current headphones (Motorola Blue-tooth which are pretty awesome, honestly). So, I am looking for a set of headphones that sound phenomenal for single-player gaming, yet still give good positioning, as that IS important in single-player games as well. I *DO* see myself using a chat feature sometimes in the future (Hello Mass Effect 3 Multi-player), but I place FAR more of an emphasis on sound quality, and would highly value the ability for these headphones to transfer over well to music listening. I'm willing to do a secondary mic setup if the sound quality on the higher-end pieces crushes that of the PC 360.

I am currently considering the PC 360, HD650 or HD598's (Depending on which you guys think would sound better for single-player gaming), and the DT990 (or 880..whichever has best overall sound quality). I am of course open to other options as well.

I've already purchased the Astro 5.8, that is on the way. I just need to know whether to settle for the PC 360 if they are truly superior for gaming music/FX, or to bite the bullet and purchase an AMP and step up to the HDs or AT brand.

Finally, as for price, I cannot go higher than 400 dollars. I would rather spend 200-250, but I understand that may not be the best option if I need to purchase an amp.

Any guidance you can give would be great. Just keep in mind that my primary focus is on top-quality single-player sound quality. I want Skyrim's music to sound flawless as I realize that giant is sneaking up behind me!

The Sennheiser PC360 and HD-598 are only 50-Ohm, so they easily work with the Astro Mix-Amp.

Beyerdynamic DT-990 and 880 models might need more power then what the Astro Mix-Amp has???

The HD-598s do have better sound then the PC360, but the PC360 is a better value with the built in mic.
 

 

 

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I'm continuing to try to make my way through this thread (At page 69 at the moment) and I still find myself unable to come to a decision for which headphones to get. Basically, I like what I hear about the PC 360s. I want something that is at least AS GOOD as them at gaming, but better in other areas, and am willing to spend to get it. What would be the most helpful for me is to hear your guy's opinions as to what tiers are above the PC 360.

 

Would DT990's at 32 Ohms be a step higher? How about D2000, or the Pro 900s? As I said, my cap is 400, I just want to make sure if I am spending that much, I would get something much better than the PC 360's.

 

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The Sennheiser PC360 and HD-598 are only 50-Ohm, so they easily work with the Astro Mix-Amp.

Beyerdynamic DT-990 and 880 models might need more power then what the Astro Mix-Amp has???

The HD-598s do have better sound then the PC360, but the PC360 is a better value with the built in mic."

 

 

Thanks for the reply. Value at this point is not as important to me as sound quality. I'm truly out for the best sound I can get my hands on short of 400 bucks. If that means buying an amp, so be it.


Edited by Evarin - 11/20/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post
Err, I should also mention that I already have a fairly high-end Yamaha receiver capable of 7.1 surround sound that powers my speakers. Would this work IN PLACE of an amp for home use?

Which model Yamaha?

Yamahas are one of the few stereo receivers that offer 5.1 surround sound (Silent Cinema) for headphones.

Use the optical input on the Yamaha from the PS3s optical output.

My Onkyo 706B ($500) stereo receiver works just fine with my DT-770 Pro 250-Ohm headphones, but only with stereo 2.0 sound :(
 

 

 


Edited by PurpleAngel - 11/20/11 at 8:59am
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Which model Yamaha?

Yamahas are one of the few stereo receivers that offer 5.1 surround sound (Silent Cinema) for headphones.

Use the optical input on the Yamaha from the PS3s optical output.

My Onkyo 706B ($500) stereo receiver works just fine with my DT-770 Pro 250-Ohm headphones, but only with stereo 2.0 sound :(
 

 

 



RX-V663 model, if that means anything to you. If I could use that solely to power the headphones I get, but use the Mixamp 5.8 for the DH that would be perfect. Something tells me, though, that it wouldn't work too great as the Yamaha would put its own spin on the sound, and then pass it to the mixamp.

 

At the moment, I am leaning towards the DT990 Pro 32 Ohm headphones. I am new to the audiophile thing, but I am experienced in surround sound audio. I simply can't have my setup as loud as I want these days, so I am looking to really dig into some of the best (sub $500) that headphones have to offer. I think I will try them WITHOUT an amp at first, then wait a few paychecks to really decide if I need them at a higher volume or better sound quality. I *DO* plan on using these with my I-phone, like at the library when studying, so I have a feeling a portable amp will be required to get the most out of them.

 

I'd love to hear if anyone could come up with suggestions that would beat the DT990 pros for all around usage, if not, I may just run with those. Honestly, I just wish I could get my hands on *ANY* of these damned headphones, but there is literally nowhere around here that offers these brands. Not Radio Shack, Best Buy, etc. They don't even carry the PC 360's. Where do you guys go to hear these high-end headphones? Conventions?

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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post





RX-V663 model, if that means anything to you. If I could use that solely to power the headphones I get, but use the Mixamp 5.8 for the DH that would be perfect. Something tells me, though, that it wouldn't work too great as the Yamaha would put its own spin on the sound, and then pass it to the mixamp.

 

At the moment, I am leaning towards the DT990 Pro 32 Ohm headphones. I am new to the audiophile thing, but I am experienced in surround sound audio. I simply can't have my setup as loud as I want these days, so I am looking to really dig into some of the best (sub $500) that headphones have to offer. I think I will try them WITHOUT an amp at first, then wait a few paychecks to really decide if I need them at a higher volume or better sound quality. I *DO* plan on using these with my I-phone, like at the library when studying, so I have a feeling a portable amp will be required to get the most out of them.

 

I'd love to hear if anyone could come up with suggestions that would beat the DT990 pros for all around usage, if not, I may just run with those. Honestly, I just wish I could get my hands on *ANY* of these damned headphones, but there is literally nowhere around here that offers these brands. Not Radio Shack, Best Buy, etc. They don't even carry the PC 360's. Where do you guys go to hear these high-end headphones? Conventions?


You would not daisy chain the Yamaha and the Astro Mix-Amp, for any reason, just use one or the other.

I believe the Yamaha Silent Cinema 5.1 would function/act the same as Dolby Headphone 5.1.

I would say to not buy any Beyerdynamic in 32-Ohm, not worth it.

Get the 250-Ohm version and get a small portable headphone amplifier like the Fiio E6.

 

 

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As stupid as it sounds, I am just going to go with the PC 360's. I've read up to page .... 107 and I just can't make up my mind on the higher-end headphones. I am now regretting buying the Mixamp 5.8 due to possibility of hissing. I imagine this will drive me up the wall more than anything else. I should have bought a wired amp, but I didn't know enough at the time to be wary of it. I need to take a break from reading all this stuff. Denon2000, DT770-990's, A900's, HD 595's, E9's or Lyr amps...It is enough to drive a noob like myself crazy.

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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post
As stupid as it sounds, I am just going to go with the PC 360's. I've read up to page .... 107 and I just can't make up my mind on the higher-end headphones. I am now regretting buying the Mixamp 5.8 due to possibility of hissing. I imagine this will drive me up the wall more than anything else. I should have bought a wired amp, but I didn't know enough at the time to be wary of it. I need to take a break from reading all this stuff. Denon2000, DT770-990's, A900's, HD 595's, E9's or Lyr amps...It is enough to drive a noob like myself crazy.


As they like saying on Head-Fi, Sorry About The Wallet.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evarin View Post

As stupid as it sounds, I am just going to go with the PC 360's. I've read up to page .... 107 and I just can't make up my mind on the higher-end headphones. I am now regretting buying the Mixamp 5.8 due to possibility of hissing. I imagine this will drive me up the wall more than anything else. I should have bought a wired amp, but I didn't know enough at the time to be wary of it. I need to take a break from reading all this stuff. Denon2000, DT770-990's, A900's, HD 595's, E9's or Lyr amps...It is enough to drive a noob like myself crazy.



Don't worry.  You chose well.  The PC360s are excellent.  They beat many of the "higher-end headphones".  Even compared to my AKG Q701s they hold their own.  And the Mixamp 5.8 hissing complaints are ridiculous.  You won't be able to hear it with the PC360s at all.  I can't even hear hissing with the DSS + PC360s and its noticeably noisier than the mixamp 5.8.  

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RX-V663 model, if that means anything to you. If I could use that solely to power the headphones I get, but use the Mixamp 5.8 for the DH that would be perfect. Something tells me, though, that it wouldn't work too great as the Yamaha would put its own spin on the sound, and then pass it to the mixamp.

 

At the moment, I am leaning towards the DT990 Pro 32 Ohm headphones. I am new to the audiophile thing, but I am experienced in surround sound audio. I simply can't have my setup as loud as I want these days, so I am looking to really dig into some of the best (sub $500) that headphones have to offer. I think I will try them WITHOUT an amp at first, then wait a few paychecks to really decide if I need them at a higher volume or better sound quality. I *DO* plan on using these with my I-phone, like at the library when studying, so I have a feeling a portable amp will be required to get the most out of them.

 

I'd love to hear if anyone could come up with suggestions that would beat the DT990 pros for all around usage, if not, I may just run with those. Honestly, I just wish I could get my hands on *ANY* of these damned headphones, but there is literally nowhere around here that offers these brands. Not Radio Shack, Best Buy, etc. They don't even carry the PC 360's. Where do you guys go to hear these high-end headphones? Conventions?



I have the RX-V663 and Silent Cinema/surround sound sound headphones works pretty good.

 

I also have the DT990 and DT880 and prefer the DT880 for both gaming and movies.

 

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Just wondering why you would use optical instead of HDMI? I have a Yamaha RX-V665 with Silent Cinema. My PS3 downstairs is connected with HDMI but the PS3 in my room where I do most of my competitive gaming is connected with optical.

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