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I feel bad for Change.  He really wanted the K612 to be the next FOTM, but it seems to be getting overshadowed by the K712.  Of course the K712 costs more than double and I suspect it doesn't sound more than twice as good.

Exactly it is important to realize that the K712 is even 3x more expensive (in Europe).
For $200 (same price for us Europeans) you're getting a hell of a headphone.
I still regard it as the best sounding headphone in the ~200$ price range. Neutral reference class that is.
Sure it's not perfect, but I don't feel like I am missing something which is impressive. It's also a great all-rounder.
It is also, however, very revealing and a bit picky! That's something people don't expect in that price range.
In case of K612 I wouldn't be ashamed to pay even 300$ for it... I think it absolutely trounces over most of the headphones <400$/500$.
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I want the K612 to be the next FOTM myself as I feel the K712 is probably more than people are willing to pay. The K712 needs a more expensive/better system to make it sound noticeably better than the K612, otherwise it honestly doesn't really sound any better.

 

I'd like to see someone do a head to head of the modded Q701 and the K612.  The Q can be had for pretty cheap these days, and there are a lot of used ones floating about so you can save even more money.  I'm wondering which of these is the better choice overall given that the pricing is really close.  All other things equal, the Q701 has removable cable...

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So I'm currently disappointed with the sound quality I'm getting from the DSS1 + Superlux 668b. I actually listened to some Schubert (my favourite piano trio, in B flat) on YT with nothing but headphones plugged directly into 3.5mm jack on PC and it sounded better than what my PS3 is outputting. I don't mind the treble of the Superlux... reminds me of my own (imperfect) violin playing back in the day :P.

 

I think I've been stupid. I think I've misunderstood suggestions, and that the DSS by itself is only for vss processing, not for amping (of any decent sound quality), and that I should get an actual bona fide amp. Can someone confirm this?

 

I'm thinking of the Schiit Magni. Since it's $100, I'll only get it if it will also power the harder to drive headphones (DT880, K701/702) for when I plan to upgrade. Will it?

 

PS: still not sure why the DSS light for DD is activating during SOTC.

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I'm thinking of the Schiit Magni. Since it's $100, I'll only get it if it will also power the harder to drive headphones (DT880, K701/702) for when I plan to upgrade. Will it?

 

Yep.  Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post

I'd like to see someone do a head to head of the modded Q701 and the K612.  The Q can be had for pretty cheap these days, and there are a lot of used ones floating about so you can save even more money.  I'm wondering which of these is the better choice overall given that the pricing is really close.  All other things equal, the Q701 has removable cable...
Hopefully I'll find out. I still think the Q701 is a better value, in many ways a giant killer that sets the bar very high... but the K712 is a bit better, not a better value but it would be my desert island choice smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by mmencius View Post

I think I've misunderstood suggestions, and that the DSS by itself is only for vss processing, not for amping (of any decent sound quality), and that I should get an actual bona fide amp. Can someone confirm this?

I'm thinking of the Schiit Magni. Since it's $100, I'll only get it if it will also power the harder to drive headphones (DT880, K701/702) for when I plan to upgrade. Will it?

PS: still not sure why the DSS light for DD is activating during SOTC.

Yes! The DSS is for processing. I guess you weren't here while we talked about "double" amping, but generally plugging a dedicated headphone amp into your source (DSS, Mixamp, iPod, etc) is recommended... I think that before you buy ANY headphone $150 and up, you should buy an amp. Pretty much any headphone scales up with amping, but higher end headphones (Mid-Fi +) really scale up and increase the difference between headphones.

The Magni is quite capable and has plenty of power for all but the very hardest to drive headphones, and is mostly pretty I colorless so it doesn't affect the "native" sound of a connected headphone. The Vali is similar priced, but better suited for headphones over 50 ohms (esp less sensitive headphones...), a good tube option. The Vali imparts a bit of the euphoric tube sound at a great price, the downside is that it's a poor choice to use with sensitive IEMs (ringing noise).
Edited by Evshrug - 4/29/14 at 7:12pm
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Ok so I received my Q701 and Essence STX sound card last night. Got everything together with no problem using the UNi drivers. I then put the headphone option on and clicked on dolby headphone, 6 channel and 44k. It is very very weird sounding. Like everything has an echo to it. Even in game voice it somewhat has an echo. I came from a gaming 7.1 headset and it is conpletely different. I am not sure if I like this dolby sound. Is it suppose to sound like that? I then switched it to Hi-Fi and it seems 10x better. Not sure if something is wrong or dolby always sounds echoed in game?


Edited by eXistencelies - 4/30/14 at 6:38am
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Ok so I received my Q701 and Essence STX sound card last night. Got everything together with no problem using the UNi drivers. I then put the headphone option on and clicked on dolby headphone, 6 channel and 44k. It is very very weird sounding. Like everything has an echo to it. Even in game voice it somewhat has an echo. I came from a gaming 7.1 headset and it is conpletely different. I am not sure if I like this dolby sound. Is it suppose to sound like that? I then switched it to Hi-Fi and it seems 10x better. Not sure if something is wrong or dolby always sounds echoed in game?

have you tried using the medium sized room setting ? usually dsp algorithms adds echo including Dolby headphone. Dolby Home Theater V4 is the only dsp algorithm I found which has minimum echoing compared to other algorithms .
Edited by appsmarsterx - 4/30/14 at 8:08am
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YAY!
Finally
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have you tried using the medium sized room setting ? usually dsp algorithms adds echo including Dolby headphone. Dolby Home Theater V4 is the only dsp algorithm I found which has minimum echoing compared to other algorithms .

I set it to DH1, but that was after I played. Have yet to try it with DH1 as it was 1am last night and I wanted to get to bed. I think default it sets itself to DH2. I don't think this STX has the option of DHT V4 unless I am wrong. I am new to this dolby thing. I also have the onboard sound enabled as I use my 5.1 speakers sometimes. Not sure if that would have any affect on it? 


Edited by eXistencelies - 4/30/14 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by martin vegas View Post
 

Is there a version without a video?  Better yet, just tell me if there's anything about 3d audio...

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Originally Posted by eXistencelies View Post
 

I don't think this STX has the option of DHT V4 unless I am wrong.

 

STX only supports Dolby headphone. DHTv4 is the latest Dolby dsp algorithm, which is currently in Phoebus, U7. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by eXistencelies View Post I also have the onboard sound enabled as I use my 5.1 speakers sometimes. Not sure if that would have any affect on it? 

 

don't worry. it shouldn't affect anything. 

post #23398 of 37293
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Originally Posted by eXistencelies View Post

Ok so I received my Q701 and Essence STX sound card last night. Got everything together with no problem using the UNi drivers. I then put the headphone option on and clicked on dolby headphone, 6 channel and 44k. It is very very weird sounding. Like everything has an echo to it. Even in game voice it somewhat has an echo. I came from a gaming 7.1 headset and it is conpletely different. I am not sure if I like this dolby sound. Is it suppose to sound like that? I then switched it to Hi-Fi and it seems 10x better. Not sure if something is wrong or dolby always sounds echoed in game?
Used to be something that bothered me a lot, so when I heard Creative's option I was overjoyed how natural it sounded by comparison. Now however, I can honestly say my brain adjusted, it's not that I ignore it now, I actually don't perceive echo while gaming anymore unless I just switched from my Recon3D to my DSS.
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Originally Posted by appsmarsterx View Post


have you tried using the medium sized room setting ? usually dsp algorithms adds echo including Dolby headphone. Dolby Home Theater V4 is the only dsp algorithm I found which has minimum echoing compared to other algorithms .
I never heard echoing with Creative's THX TruStudio Pro or SBX Pro Studio processing, it all seems to be a tonal and volume balance change that seems more realistic to me.

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YAY!
Finally

?
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Used to be something that bothered me a lot, so when I heard Creative's option I was overjoyed how natural it sounded by comparison. Now however, I can honestly say my brain adjusted, it's not that I ignore it now, I actually don't perceive echo while gaming anymore unless I just switched from my Recon3D to my DSS.
I never heard echoing with Creative's THX TruStudio Pro or SBX Pro Studio processing, it all seems to be a tonal and volume balance change that seems more realistic to me.
?

PS4 v1.70 wink.gif
Should have quoted.

Also, I don't hear echo either. Ears and brain need some time to adjust wink.gif
Edited by conquerator2 - 4/30/14 at 9:03am
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Is there a version without a video?  Better yet, just tell me if there's anything about 3d audio...

Video wasn't bad, nice British accent.
No "free" 3D audio mentioned, just some HDMI output options. Also stuff like you can use the touchpad as a cursor to type with, you can turn off HDCP while gaming, and there's a big new video clip editing suite (and you can export videos to USB flash sticks with FAT32 formatting).
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