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That was me and I was aware of that. Actually did my research for once tongue.gif

Any thoughts on the E09K vs the Magni?
His thoughts on both of those are in the amp section if the guide. :P
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His thoughts on both of those are in the amp section if the guide. :P

Dangit! I was sitting back laughing at the people that were asking questions that could be answered on the first page, and now, I'm asking those questions myself! tongue.gif
Edited by grumpy1471 - 4/19/14 at 9:49am
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thanks for the replies, do I need a dac too? and if I want dolby headphone also, how can I get this in the easiest and cheapest way to the magni amp?

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thanks for the replies, do I need a dac too? and if I want dolby headphone also, how can I get this in the easiest and cheapest way to the magni amp?

Are you gaming on console or PC? 

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Do the K612 pro really need an amp or do they still sound good without one? I've decided to go for them and will be using them on my laptop, mostly for gaming and every now and then for movies and maybe music.

If it's really recommended then I could probably get one down the road but I have no idea which one. So what ~$100 or less amp would be recommended for these headphones?

 

Are the Q701 really worth the extra 20 buck and do they need an amp?

 

10/10 thread btw


Edited by Booby Trap - 4/19/14 at 10:47am
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Do the K612 pro really need an amp or do they still sound good without one?

 

"The K612 Pro is a higher impedance than it's 7xx siblings, and therefore demands more power to hit a moderate volume in comparison. For gaming, you can forget about using the K612 Pro off the Mixamp alone if you attempt to use a mic. Even with the Mixamp putting all it's power on game audio, the K612 pro hits moderate, not high volume levels.

I recommend an amp with a warm signature to offset the slight tizzyness in the upper ranges, though it isn't crucial as the K612 Pro isn't exactly fatiguing.

The K612 Pro's neutral signature is bound to change in tonality depending on the amp used, so matching the K612 to a proper amp is essential. Again, I recommend a warmer sounding amp to better match the K612's neutrality and shave off the slight harshness up top."

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Are the Q701 really worth the extra 20 buck and do they need an amp?

 

"The sound also scales with amping, but isn't really necessary"

 

Everything in quotes was taken directly from the first post, where MLE answered these questions and more. He also covers a $99 amp, the Schiit Magni, in the same post.

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The K612 sound very good off my Clip+ and I could probably live with them off that. They obviously scale higher with more power.

However, I wouldn't say that they are unlistenable off weaker DAPs but a 100 bucks powerful amp [Magni, Vali,...] would do them better.

I have no idea just how good or bad the Mixamp is, it is probably worse than the Clip then...

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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

"The K612 Pro is a higher impedance than it's 7xx siblings, and therefore demands more power to hit a moderate volume in comparison. For gaming, you can forget about using the K612 Pro off the Mixamp alone if you attempt to use a mic. Even with the Mixamp putting all it's power on game audio, the K612 pro hits moderate, not high volume levels.

I recommend an amp with a warm signature to offset the slight tizzyness in the upper ranges, though it isn't crucial as the K612 Pro isn't exactly fatiguing.

The K612 Pro's neutral signature is bound to change in tonality depending on the amp used, so matching the K612 to a proper amp is essential. Again, I recommend a warmer sounding amp to better match the K612's neutrality and shave off the slight harshness up top."

 

"The sound also scales with amping, but isn't really necessary"

 

Everything in quotes was taken directly from the first post, where MLE answered these questions and more. He also covers a $99 amp, the Schiit Magni, in the same post.

 

Yeah but I wanted to hear some opinions. Is higher volume all the amp will offer or does the sound quality also improve? I don't really need a mic and "moderate volume" could still be good enough for me as I don't need the headphone to blast my ears off.

 

He says that one with a warm signature is recommended. Since I'm new to this idk what that means and which one offers that. >_>

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Yeah but I wanted to hear some opinions. Is higher volume all the amp will offer or does the sound quality also improve? I don't really need a mic and "moderate volume" could still be good enough for me as I don't need the headphone to blast my ears off.

He says that one with a warm signature is recommended. Since I'm new to this idk what that means and which one offers that. >_>

If you're using the Mixamp 2013, I would highly suggest an amp if you want to hit those higher volumes or even moderate volume without hiss. At around 75% volume on the Mixamp, the hiss is just unbearable for me and is really annoying.
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I don't have a mixamp. I'm wondering how good the headphone will sound if I just connect it directly to my laptop's 3.5mm jack. Sorry if I wasn't being clear. >.>

 

If they're good with the Clip+ I'm guessing they should work well with a laptop?


Edited by Booby Trap - 4/19/14 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by Booby Trap View Post
 

Yeah but I wanted to hear some opinions. Is higher volume all the amp will offer or does the sound quality also improve? I don't really need a mic and "moderate volume" could still be good enough for me as I don't need the headphone to blast my ears off.

 

He says that one with a warm signature is recommended. Since I'm new to this idk what that means and which one offers that. >_>


I had my Q701 for a month or two with no amp and was perfectly happy with it.  Then I got an amp and realized what everybody was talking about.  It's not about volume.  The amp changes the sound for the better...I don't understand the science behind it, but my ears were used to the sound without the amp and could hear the difference with the amp. 

 

Is it necessary?  No, absolutely not.  However, when you read about how good the headphones are, people are reviewing them with an amp.  If you aren't using an amp, you won't hear them to their full potential.  If you're not hearing them to their full potential, you're kind of wasting money (IMHO). 

 

Regarding the amp sound signature, I believe Fiio's tend to run on the warmer side, as well as the Schiit Vali.  The Magni and the O2 tend to be more "analytical" and "cold".  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

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Originally Posted by Booby Trap View Post
 

I don't have a mixamp. I'm wondering how good the headphone will sound if I just connect it directly to my laptop's 3.5mm jack. Sorry if I wasn't being clear. >.>

 

If they're good with the Clip+ I'm guessing they should work well with a laptop?

 

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Originally Posted by Booby Trap View Post
 

I don't have a mixamp. I'm wondering how good the headphone will sound if I just connect it directly to my laptop's 3.5mm jack. Sorry if I wasn't being clear. >.>

 

If they're good with the Clip+ I'm guessing they should work well with a laptop?

No that's not true. What kind of soundcard does the laptop have?

Clip is first and foremost a portable player and the parts correspond that, while the laptop's SQ properties are usually a lot worse than any decent music player [that's clip and above]

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I bought a red LE M50 for around 77 Euros to lay down in bed and bring to work and in the few hours I had with it I think it's a pretty good headphone for that price. It's noticably sub bass emphasized and goes pretty low. At 20hz the rolloff was most noticable, but 30Hz was rather easily accomplished. I didn't find any sibilance yet that would remind me of a T90, DT880, Pro 900 (:evil:), no annoyances at all. Maybe it's a revision thing. The subbass elevation additionally masks the highs so this headphone goes into smooth/forgiving terrority and reminds me of a small Ultrasone Signature DJ (and also how the DJ shouldn't cost more than 399 Dollars). Everything's rather smooth and polite, no aggression really. It's clean (as in no annoying resonance or harshness/multiple peaky but not the best in transparency. 

 

I found the spaciousness to be decent with SBX (67%) and BF4 and this being a really closed phone, haven't played anything else yet. The subbass during explosions in the near and far distance surely helped the immersion. However it shouldn't be a headphone for those that want gaming as the first priority - for that price however I only know the CAL. For 50€ the MA 900 can be bought but I think the M50 build leaves less room for worries about practically taking them everywhere. 

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No that's not true. What kind of soundcard does the laptop have?

Clip is first and foremost a portable player and the parts correspond that, while the laptop's SQ properties are usually a lot worse than any decent music player [that's clip and above]

 

Err I'm not really sure. When I go to device manager to check I see 3 things listed under audio control:

 

- IDT High Definition Audio CODEC

- NVIDIA High Definition Audio

- NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)

 

Not really sure which one is the sound card, if it's one of them at all.

 

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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 


I had my Q701 for a month or two with no amp and was perfectly happy with it.  Then I got an amp and realized what everybody was talking about.  It's not about volume.  The amp changes the sound for the better...I don't understand the science behind it, but my ears were used to the sound without the amp and could hear the difference with the amp. 

 

Is it necessary?  No, absolutely not.  However, when you read about how good the headphones are, people are reviewing them with an amp.  If you aren't using an amp, you won't hear them to their full potential.  If you're not hearing them to their full potential, you're kind of wasting money (IMHO). 

 

Regarding the amp sound signature, I believe Fiio's tend to run on the warmer side, as well as the Schiit Vali.  The Magni and the O2 tend to be more "analytical" and "cold".  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

I see. Thanks for this post. If it really makes a difference then I'll get an amp, if not with the headphone then later down the road.

 

Now to know which amp to get. :P

The Fiio and Vali do seem pretty good.


Edited by Booby Trap - 4/19/14 at 12:06pm
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PC, now im using a laptop, but later i will buy a desktop :)

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