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post #22321 of 37324
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It's weird, it's not like I'm completely adverse to mid bass. Hell, i can take all that the Pro 900 dishes out, and that one packs a WALLOP. Yet, headphones like the Q701 managed to annoy me with it's mid bass.

I'm not certain it's the mid bass on the crushers. It may be it's clamp that's bugging me. It doesn't clamp much, but it does clamp, and that paired with pleather pads doesn't exactly make me jump with joy at it's comfort.

I'll stretch them out for a period and see if that helps.
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Oh well I know what you mean. Not with bass but I have the same issue in the treble's sibilance region... I am extra sensitive to that so when a headphone is edgy there it's a no-go. Orthodynamics don't apply for some reason as they are simply effortless and don't have this issue [well at least those I've heard]. K612 Pros are my limit. Anything more and that'd be too much.

But I ironically love airy and extended highs :P

 

I kinda understand what you mean. Many dynamic headphones with emphasized treble can take on this piercing, needle-through-your-eardrums quality to the treble alongside having this weird texture/grain over it all, yet what a lot of people consider to be just the right amount of treble (MA900) is just diluted and lacking to me.

 

But I'm mainly coming from Stax, where the treble is as effortless as it gets. Clear, detailed, even emphasized, but never piercing unless the recording's just that bad. Must be a planar thing (and electrostatic drivers are planar, they just don't use magnetic force).

 

I don't recall if MLE's HE-400 had quite the same effortlessness to it; I was mainly struck by the realization that it sounded an awful lot like what I recalled of the SR-202/SRM-212 combo, including its midrange and texture weaknesses. Haven't heard any other orthos yet, sadly.


Edited by NamelessPFG - 3/30/14 at 3:27am
post #22323 of 37324
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The SR407 had easily the best treble I've ever heard and it's bright. It's just sooooo clean and precise... it didn't fatigue me one bit.

The problem with the HE400 is just that the treble is sooooo emphasized over the upper midrange, it's not easy to grasp. I still vouch for the HE-400 being one of those headphones that can be downright magical, but on certian things, it simply does not sound right.

Nameless, I think you'd be a fan of the HE-4, definitely. It's a speedy, and airy headphone, with very well extended treble without it being overwhelming. The mids are a little recessed, but it's in the same vein as the DT880, where it's due to the bass being just slightly more elevated, and not some veiled scoop like the upper mids of the HE-400. Hell, there are quite a few people who prefer the HE-4 to the HE-500, and even the HE-6.
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You know MLE, from what you've been saying about the Skullcandy Crusher so far.. it sounds very familiar to the Sony Pulse Elite. Both have a bass driver and both are quite neutral in tonality... hmmm.

post #22325 of 37324
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Yeah, I've seen various posts online that mention the two. Thebone person who directly compared though says the Crusher sounds higher in quality, and the Pulse has more bass. I in all honesty have no idea who the hell would ever want more bass than the Crusher provides. The bass output is enough to turn your brain into mush., and im referring to in low medium settings.

But yeah, I'll more than likely return these and consider them incompatible with my stupid head. I have full blown headache now...
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I kinda understand what you mean. Many dynamic headphones with emphasized treble can take on this piercing, needle-through-your-eardrums quality to the treble alongside having this weird texture/grain over it all, yet what a lot of people consider to be just the right amount of treble (MA900) is just diluted and lacking to me.

 

But I'm mainly coming from Stax, where the treble is as effortless as it gets. Clear, detailed, even emphasized, but never piercing unless the recording's just that bad. Must be a planar thing (and electrostatic drivers are planar, they just don't use magnetic force).

 

I don't recall if MLE's HE-400 had quite the same effortlessness to it; I was mainly struck by the realization that it sounded an awful lot like what I recalled of the SR-202/SRM-212 combo, including its midrange and texture weaknesses. Haven't heard any other orthos yet, sadly.

 

Well MA900 for me is a very special headphone. It is very warm and musical. It has a moderately extended, punchy bass and a very clear and somewhat forward midrange with the highs being okay in the 7-8khz region where the sibilance occurs but absolutely lacking sparkle in the air and extension regions [6-7khz, 10 - 16khz].

I love it as a warm, fun sounding headphone. Very smooth and enjoyable. It is very full and airy in the midrange but comparatively thin in the treble but that doesn't prevent one from enjoying it :D

I got it for 150$ and at that price I can't complain.

 

The K612 on the other hand is very reference sounding. I'd say it is very even across the whole frequency, though it does lack the very air and openness I'd love to have and expect from a fully-opened headphone. Also, it can be a bit rough in the treble [admittedly, there are very few dynamics that do the treble just right, it's usually either a bit rough or too smooth :/] It is a very competent headphone, especially for 200$. It is way better than that and I'll be writing a review one day too. [I'll put it in the review section as well as in my thread]. As my very first AKG headphone I was very impressed indeed. Provided it likes a lot of power [though it does sound decent from lesser sources] and a warm source might also help to shave some edge off the highs.

 

I find them both complementary to one another, I use the K612 for gaming and desktop listening and the MA900 when I am outside or feeling smooth.

 

Neutral [meaning evenly extended everywhere, no overpowering frequencies, clear], spacious headphones being my preference. It could be a bit warm or bright... as long as it has good details, separation, imaging and PRaT, it's a go. I kinda like sound whoring :D

So, em, I am eyeing the 560. Being tremendously happy with the 6 before, just not having the equipment to fully utilize its potential... Well, at least more so than I could the 6 back then... Well, you don't fully appreciate something 'till it's gone, right?


Edited by conquerator2 - 3/30/14 at 5:10am
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Hey, it's me again.

 

Well, I've tested the advice given with the station and decreasing the volume on it.

I've put it into practice and decreased the volume on the DSS station from 100 to around 80 [and subsequently increased the volume on the Mstage from -7 to 0] and then I've tried decreasing down to 60/50/40 - it's hard to judge as there's no indicator on the volume knob [and again increased the Mstage volume from 0 to 3 or 6 - still at around 60% so plenty of headroom].

I've put the K612 on and tested the explosions at 100 again and it distorted heavily... So you know I've lowered the Station's volume down to 80 and 50... Not that it matters as long as you lower it [hint hint] and so the outcome, well, I suppose you probably know...

 

facepalm_227785.jpg

 

I am such a ******* idiot... And to think I've sold my... I am gonna kill myself now... Why didn't I try that earlier?! I was mindlessly following the "keep the source maxed out" advice, without taking the source's amplification prowess into account... Kill me!

But I am at least happy I've found the culprit and fixed the single thing I hated and attributed to headphones... No wonder it only happened with the DSS and not with my PC's USB out! There's no amp in there -_-

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Hey zombie, just gonna put this out there but I am very interested in one of those adapters. Let me know about pricing and shipping costs. I live in Canada.
post #22329 of 37324
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Hey, it's me again.

Well, I've tested the advice given with the station and decreasing the volume on it.
I've put it into practice and decreased the volume on the DSS station from 100 to around 80 [and subsequently increased the volume on the Mstage from -7 to 0] and then I've tried decreasing down to 60/50/40 - it's hard to judge as there's no indicator on the volume knob [and again increased the Mstage volume from 0 to 3 or 6 - still at around 60% so plenty of headroom].
I've put the K612 on and tested the explosions at 100 again and it distorted heavily... So you know I've lowered the Station's volume down to 80 and 50... Not that it matters as long as you lower it [hint hint] and so the outcome, well, I suppose you probably know...

facepalm_227785.jpg

I am such a ******* idiot... And to think I've sold my... I am gonna kill myself now... Why didn't I try that earlier?! I was mindlessly following the "keep the source maxed out" advice, without taking the source's amplification prowess into account... Kill me!
But I am at least happy I've found the culprit and fixed the single thing I hated and attributed to headphones... No wonder it only happened with the DSS and not with my PC's USB out! There's no amp in there -_-

Ah dude. Im sorry I didn't reply to this. Yeah, my first TWO Mixamps and the Recon 3D usb didnt have a problem with distortion with tbe voljme maxed, but all my other mixamps afterwards, I had to lower the volume to around 60/70% to keep the devices from distorting. Im sorry. I shouldve told you to try that first. frown.gif

I haven't tried it with this Mixamp 5.8, as I just run my headphones off it, without amping. But the last two Mixamp Pros distorted quite frequently at max master volume.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/30/14 at 8:29am
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Ah dude. Im sorry I didn't reply to this. Yeah, my first TWO Mixamps and the Recon 3D usb didnt have a problem with distortion with tbe voljme maxed, but all my other mixamps afterwards, I had to lower the volume to around 60/70% to keep the devices from distorting. Im sorry. I shouldve told you to try that first. frown.gif

I haven't tried it with this Mixamp 5.8, as I just run my headphones off it, without amping. But the last two Mixamp Pros distorted quite frequently at max master volume.

Hey it's alright. Shame I never got to hear the sub-bass with the HE-6 [I guess I've been using it maxed out all the time and attributing the distortion to the headphone] but at least I will with the 560 :]

No harm done mate :beerchug:

 

I am totally gonna do a K612-MA900-HE560 comparison though [well however brief], obviously not in the SQ sense, but I'll take each's strengths [MA900 midrange and soundstage size + K612 imaging and bass/treble extension]

 

Are you set on returning the Crushers? Any future plans regarding HPs?

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This song, scared the CRAP out of me when I first heard it, and I had the bass set to half way.

The bass hits RIGHT at the Crusher's reaction point (starting at 14 seconds in)..., and since it constantly hits that point, releases, then hits again... it was... an experience.

Using this song as a reference for where to put the bass setting, I feel 2 notches is ideal. There are 8 in total, so imagine just how much more the bass driver can engage...

 

Wow, that song sounds FANTASTIC on the X1's...it makes my eyeballs wobble.  Surprisingly, the modded Q701 does it justice, though that snare/handclap thing is almost painfully sharp on the Q.

post #22332 of 37324
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Hey, it's me again.

 

Well, I've tested the advice given with the station and decreasing the volume on it.

I've put it into practice and decreased the volume on the DSS station from 100 to around 80 [and subsequently increased the volume on the Mstage from -7 to 0] and then I've tried decreasing down to 60/50/40 - it's hard to judge as there's no indicator on the volume knob [and again increased the Mstage volume from 0 to 3 or 6 - still at around 60% so plenty of headroom].

I've put the K612 on and tested the explosions at 100 again and it distorted heavily... So you know I've lowered the Station's volume down to 80 and 50... Not that it matters as long as you lower it [hint hint] and so the outcome, well, I suppose you probably know...

 

facepalm_227785.jpg

 

I am such a ******* idiot... And to think I've sold my... I am gonna kill myself now... Why didn't I try that earlier?! I was mindlessly following the "keep the source maxed out" advice, without taking the source's amplification prowess into account... Kill me!

But I am at least happy I've found the culprit and fixed the single thing I hated and attributed to headphones... No wonder it only happened with the DSS and not with my PC's USB out! There's no amp in there -_-

Had I seen this post (edit: the post describing the problem) I may have been able to offer speculative reasoning from my experience with guitars. Sounds like what would happen when you overdrive an input on a guitar amp. Sorry I was too late to help.


Edited by Napalmhardcore - 3/30/14 at 9:16am
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None of you were late :D I sold the HE-6 months ago and it was for the best probably. It helped me realize that my desktop setup wasn't up to par either :]

 

Regardless, #AnyK612ProUser - at least you guys who are using SS amps with them - are yo finding them a bit sibilant? Like to my ears the 7 - 8 khz region seems to be either emphasized or not rolled-off at all... They do sound a bit edgy with bright music but it's just the sibilant notes mostly.

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I’m considering a PS4 but I see people are having chat problems using the Mixamp with it. Has this been solved? If so can someone please post a link to a solution?

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

None of you were late :D I sold the HE-6 months ago and it was for the best probably. It helped me realize that my desktop setup wasn't up to par either :]

 

Regardless, #AnyK612ProUser - at least you guys who are using SS amps with them - are yo finding them a bit sibilant? Like to my ears the 7 - 8 khz region seems to be either emphasized or not rolled-off at all... They do sound a bit edgy with bright music but it's just the sibilant notes mostly.


I found the K612 a bit sibilant on certain tubes and when hooked up to certain dacs(or even different drivers on a dac or soundcard). I have managed to get the piercing aspect of the sibilance eliminated though without any EQ. My biggest complaint about the K612 is how picky and sensitive the headphone is and that the treble can be a bit piercing on some systems.


Edited by kman1211 - 3/30/14 at 10:03am
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