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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post

I found the AD900 a terrible headphone in every way, it has no bass...the soundstage sounded congested, it sounded like all the sounds were cramped together when there was a lot going on, what was great about them though is the sense of air behind the sound, but air won't help you in competitive gaming, you want accuracy.

 

"A terrible headphone in every way" is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think? Not your cup of tea, maybe, but that's an entirely different thing.

 

To give a dissenting viewpoint - I find the AD900s extremely good. Do they have a ton of bass? No, but then in my opinion that's not what you want when trying to discern detail. Remember that he is talking about competitive gaming, not single-player gaming, which are very different beasts. That said, they still have enough bass for me (which the AD700s do not, incidentally).

 

I would also dispute that they have a congested soundstage, I don't find that at all. But then, you're comparing amped headphones (PRO 2900s, 598s) with an unamped headphone (AD900) and of course amping is going to improve things, including soundstage. Apples and oranges.

 

But he wants to use them unamped, which to my mind says the AD900s.

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Thanks for all the replies.  I've narrowed by choice down to either the HFI 2400 or AD900.  So which one sounds better unamped?  More specifically, which one is able to project a wider soundstage for better positional accuracy unamped?

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S-logic and Dolby Headphone are made for each other-that's my opinion. The Pro 2400 should give a very good soundstage based on pretty much every other Ultrasone-plus it's open-backed so it should be even better, and more balanced (bass-wise) than the closed Ultrasones. I've never heard the AD900, but I've read quite a few people say they sound congested-but I'm sure others will disagree. For me: I'll recommend Ultrasone and S-Logic til the cows come home-until I hear something better for games (yes competetive gaming too) , and movies. You will need an amp however.

 

You never answered before...what will be 'amping' these? A soundcard,Mixamp, what?

 

-Daniel

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Nothing.  I was serious when I said unamped.  Either onboard sound on PC or hooked straight up to the TV for when I play Xbox 360 for Halo: Reach MLG.  I don't have a MixAmp and am really not interested in one since I think they're way overpriced for what you get and they're provided at MLG events anyway.  As for a sound card, I just never got around to getting one and probably won't if I can get a set of headphones that can discern detail well enough unamped.  So does this change your answer any?

 

You might think I'm being really stubborn for not wanting to get an amp or sound card, but honestly, I want something that I can use on multiple platforms without the sound signature changing too much between platforms.  I play Halo: Reach on Xbox 360, might play Gears of War 3 when it comes out, and also all the PC games I mentioned in my previous post.  So I think the best solution for me is just the headphone that projects the widest soundstage unamped.


Edited by design - 8/25/11 at 8:58am
post #2135 of 37450
Actually no, I was using the AD900 amped, and the 598 unamped, but we all hear things differently so there really isn't any point arguing, its all my opinion, and like I said I don't game competitively anymore.
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Well if you want uniform sound you need a device that works across all platforms. The DSS is a great, cheap option at around $70.
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Channel-Dolby-Surround-Processor-Mac/dp/B003O0KICS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314302678&sr=8-1

Plus you wanna get used to Dolby Headphone positioning before you go to a competition right? Does your pc have optical out. If so then the DSS should work fine with that-as well as Xbox/PS3. I haven't heard the 2400s, but I've read they aren't that power hugry, fwiw.

 

-Daniel

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Originally Posted by design View Post

Nothing.  I was serious when I said unamped.  Either onboard sound on PC or hooked straight up to the TV for when I play Xbox 360 for Halo: Reach MLG.  I don't have a MixAmp and am really not interested in one since I think they're way overpriced for what you get and they're provided at MLG events anyway.  As for a sound card, I just never got around to getting one and probably won't if I can get a set of headphones that can discern detail well enough unamped.  So does this change your answer any?

 

You might think I'm being really stubborn for not wanting to get an amp or sound card, but honestly, I want something that I can use on multiple platforms without the sound signature changing too much between platforms.  I play Halo: Reach on Xbox 360, might play Gears of War 3 when it comes out, and also all the PC games I mentioned in my previous post.  So I think the best solution for me is just the headphone that projects the widest soundstage unamped.



 

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^^^^^ What he said

 

Otherwise AD700/900 are the best unamped

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Hi guys.

 

Awsome thread and thanks a bunch MLE for good info. I have a question for you guys that use the astro mixamp 5.8. I use it with my sennheiser pc360 the sound is good but when i have the mixamp tuned up to the volume i like I can here a noticable hiss from it, not as much as i did with my prior turtle beach px5 but it's still there. My volume setting is at about 70-80% and the mic balance is about 50%. I've noticed if I lower the mic balancer to zero the hiss follows and starts att about 60% of the main volume and increases with the volume.

 

Are the sennheiser pc360 somewhat hard to drive with the mixamp 5.8, your experiences? And has anyone tried them with the fiio e3 or e5 with a positive result, thoughts?

 

The sennheisers pc360 volume on the can is always on max otherwise I would have to compensate with the mixamp and put that on max. Also, plugging the headset in my macbook pro 13" it can get really loud if i want it to so it seems to work fine.

 

Cheers

Manu

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Thanks Mad Lust Envy and everyone who contributed to this thread for all the helpful info. Very, very useful stuff.
 
I just picked up an Astro Mixamp + DT 770 Pro /80. I've been wanting to get into surround sound headphone gaming (and movies!) for a loooong time, and the Mixamp fit the bill. Not exactly the cheapest option, but worth the money, IMO. Lots of features + great sound + able to use with console *and* PC + allow you to use your own headphones = WIN.
 
Also wanted some headphones that were more engaging and fun than my AD700's (which are my main headphones for music). I do love the AD700's, particularly the soundstage, but I don't do any competitive gaming at all and just wanted something that would be more immersive and have more bass. The DT 770 Pro (80 ohms) were the perfect choice for me because:
 
a) They're completely different and complementary to the AD700's. Different cans for different uses, y'know. They're probably as different from each other as you could get.
 
b) More bass helps the immersion, there's a good amount of isolation, and the soundstage is definitely still there (especially with Dolby Headphone).
 
c) They were affordable enough to use solely for games and movies. Though, I discovered I like them a lot for certain styles of music too. Bonus!
 
Out of the box, the DT 770's sounded almost defective (I knew there'd be a mid-range dip, but that was just crazy). Anyway, They've had about 30 hours on them so far and sound MUCH better. Voices in games and movies sound a hell of a lot clearer now. I'm hoping that will improve even further, as I've been spoilt by how well and clear voices sound with the AD700's.
 
I've spent a couple of gaming sessions with this setup so far, and I'm loving it. Haven't tried any movies yet, but I'm looking forward to that. And I'll also try the Mixamp with the AD700's, just to see what everyone's raving about (positional accuracy, etc, even though I don't do any competitive gaming).
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Originally Posted by reemixx View Post

 

Thanks Mad Lust Envy and everyone who contributed to this thread for all the helpful info. Very, very useful stuff.
 
I just picked up an Astro Mixamp + DT 770 Pro /80. I've been wanting to get into surround sound headphone gaming (and movies!) for a loooong time, and the Mixamp fit the bill. Not exactly the cheapest option, but worth the money, IMO. Lots of features + great sound + able to use with console *and* PC + allow you to use your own headphones = WIN.
 
Also wanted some headphones that were more engaging and fun than my AD700's (which are my main headphones for music). I do love the AD700's, particularly the soundstage, but I don't do any competitive gaming at all and just wanted something that would be more immersive and have more bass. The DT 770 Pro (80 ohms) were the perfect choice for me because:
 
a) They're completely different and complementary to the AD700's. Different cans for different uses, y'know. They're probably as different from each other as you could get.
 
b) More bass helps the immersion, there's a good amount of isolation, and the soundstage is definitely still there (especially with Dolby Headphone).
 
c) They were affordable enough to use solely for games and movies. Though, I discovered I like them a lot for certain styles of music too. Bonus!
 
Out of the box, the DT 770's sounded almost defective (I knew there'd be a mid-range dip, but that was just crazy). Anyway, They've had about 30 hours on them so far and sound MUCH better. Voices in games and movies sound a hell of a lot clearer now. I'm hoping that will improve even further, as I've been spoilt by how well and clear voices sound with the AD700's.
 
I've spent a couple of gaming sessions with this setup so far, and I'm loving it. Haven't tried any movies yet, but I'm looking forward to that. And I'll also try the Mixamp with the AD700's, just to see what everyone's raving about (positional accuracy, etc, even though I don't do any competitive gaming).

I liked my DT-770 Pro 80-Ohms so much, I went and bought the DT-770 Pro 250-Ohm version.

and I still use my AD700s for easy and relaxing stuff.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Tacoboy View Post

I liked my DT-770 Pro 80-Ohms so much, I went and bought the DT-770 Pro 250-Ohm version.

and I still use my AD700s for easy and relaxing stuff.
 

 


I went for the 80 ohm version just to be on the safe side with the Mixamp, and so I could drive it comfortably with my Zhaolu's headphone amp. I'm glad I did, too; comfortable listening volume is 12 o'clock to 2 o'clock on the Zhaolu. I reckon it's a good choice for a good all-rounder multimedia headphone, as long as you have access to a basic amp. Really don't like how the 770 Pro 80's sound unamped. They sound boring, and the bass goes all over the place. But amped, they're something else entirely.

 

Do you use the 250 ohm version for gaming, or still use the 80's for that?

 

It's funny; I find the Beyers have a less fatiguing sound than the AD700's, yet I use them for the most dynamic and full-on sounds (electronic music, and movies 'n games with lots of explosions 'n stuff). The AD700's I find have a more lively sound (it's those mids and treble), yet I use them for more relaxing stuff, like you. Their comfort definitely helps. I want to upgrade them to something else, but I still don't know what, and I don't know if I could ever bring myself to get rid of them. Unless you hate the fit, they're a hard headphone to dislike.

 

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Originally Posted by reemixx View Post


I went for the 80 ohm version just to be on the safe side with the Mixamp, and so I could drive it comfortably with my Zhaolu's headphone amp. I'm glad I did, too; comfortable listening volume is 12 o'clock to 2 o'clock on the Zhaolu. I reckon it's a good choice for a good all-rounder multimedia headphone, as long as you have access to a basic amp. Really don't like how the 770 Pro 80's sound unamped. They sound boring, and the bass goes all over the place. But amped, they're something else entirely.

 

Do you use the 250 ohm version for gaming, or still use the 80's for that?

 

It's funny; I find the Beyers have a less fatiguing sound than the AD700's, yet I use them for the most dynamic and full-on sounds (electronic music, and movies 'n games with lots of explosions 'n stuff). The AD700's I find have a more lively sound (it's those mids and treble), yet I use them for more relaxing stuff, like you. Their comfort definitely helps. I want to upgrade them to something else, but I still don't know what, and I don't know if I could ever bring myself to get rid of them. Unless you hate the fit, they're a hard headphone to dislike.

 

I've been out of PC gaming for about 8 years, I get PC games for Christmas and birthdays, but they sit on a shelf.

I use the 250-Ohm hooked to my Onkyo receiver for late night T.V. or DVD/Blu-ray movies or use a small single tube amp. which also allows me to use the 250-Ohm with my computer (Xonar DX).

So I really do not use the 80-Ohm anymore.

Got a used Asus Xonar Essence STX this week, now I can plug the 250-Ohms directly into my sound card.
 

 

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Thread Starter 
Care to share the difference between to the Pro 80 and Pro-250? I heard they were completely different beasts in that the Pro 80 is quite bass heavy (and I can attest to that), and the Pro 250 were more monitoring style/flat. I have only heard the Pro 80 and PREMIUM 600 ohm for the 770s.

Why am I posting? Just out of the blue. Lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/29/11 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Care to share the difference between to the Pro 80 and Pro-250? I heard they were completely different beasts in that the Pro 80 is quite bass heavy (and I can attest to that), and the Pro 250 were more monitoring style/flat. I have only heard the Pro 80 and PREMIUM 600 ohm for the 770s.

Why am I posting? Just out of the blue. Lol.


I'm going to do a fresh comparison between the 80 and 250 later today.

 

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