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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

You basically want everything. Not gonna happen. You basically asked for every single bullet point. Hard, controlled bass, forward mids, air do not mix.

Well, what headphone has hard, controlled bass, forward mids and relaxed treble but still manages to keep a lot of clarity at that price range?

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

You basically want everything. Not gonna happen. You basically asked for every single bullet point. Hard, controlled bass, forward mids, air do not mix.


Actually it is possible. Given it's a good neutral headphone with the right system behind it.

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Thread Starter 
Neutral =/= hard bass, FORWARD mids, relaxed treble and air. You cant have all those things at once. Relaxed treble and air are almost always the opposites, for one. The Alpha Dog is a great headphone that comes close, but that dods not have relaxed treble. If you eq out the excess treble, you lose the air, and you essentially go to LCD2 territory.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/14/14 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Neutral =/= hard bass, FORWARD mids, relaxed treble and air. You cant have all those things at once. Relaxed treble and air are almost always the opposites, for one. The Alpha Dog is a great headphone that comes close, but that dods not have relaxed treble. If you eq out the excess treble, you lose the air, and you essentially go to LCD2 territory.


What you need is a neutral phone with good extension, a good soundstage, and strong dynamics. If you have strong dynamics the bass will hit hard even on a neutral phone. On relaxed treble, it depends on what you view as relaxed treble, I personally view it as treble with little to no grain and is neutral or darker.

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WOW this thread has grown!!!

 

Anyways, I am sure this is asked more then the OP wanted but I am in the market for a new headphone/headset in the $300 range.

 

Here are the desires: my main use for the headset/headphone is mostly console gaming; occasional computer use as well. Besides having the ability to "hear enemy footsteps", I am also looking to get a great set of cans that will sound great when listening to music. I don't need that overwhelming, car-thumping bass effect but just looking for something that is well balanced. I was hoping for a closed set in order to immerse myself during gaming/music (I got younger children & a wife) so that I can "block" outside noise. Are closed sets available that offer what I am looking for; balanced music BUT great for gaming? 80% used for gaming but will use hear and there for music sessions. Thanks for any and all input.

 

BTW, I currently own A40s utilized with the Astro 5.8 Mixamp. I had a pair of AD700's but returned them due to being phenomenal for gaming but not so great for music IMO.

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what windows settings would be best for my xonar stx and phillips x1 setup in terms of positional audio. I am a keen counter-strike:go player and I and struggling with hearing footsteps at the moment.

 

thanks

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Originally Posted by AverageGamer View Post

WOW this thread has grown!!!

Anyways, I am sure this is asked more then the OP wanted but I am in the market for a new headphone/headset in the $300 range.

Here are the desires: my main use for the headset/headphone is mostly console gaming; occasional computer use as well. Besides having the ability to "hear enemy footsteps", I am also looking to get a great set of cans that will sound great when listening to music. I don't need that overwhelming, car-thumping bass effect but just looking for something that is well balanced. I was hoping for a closed set in order to immerse myself during gaming/music (I got younger children & a wife) so that I can "block" outside noise. Are closed sets available that offer what I am looking for; balanced music BUT great for gaming? 80% used for gaming but will use hear and there for music sessions. Thanks for any and all input.

BTW, I currently own A40s utilized with the Astro 5.8 Mixamp. I had a pair of AD700's but returned them due to being phenomenal for gaming but not so great for music IMO.

I'd look into the Soundmagic HP100, Mad Dog, or even the new AKG K545 for closed options at your price range..
Edited by Change is Good - 2/14/14 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Iamstumper,
I actually have lots of similar interests, tho substitute Scottish strings for classical and folk strings and Van Morrison (on reflection, I probably WOULD like Scottish strings). I do much enjoy my k712, they really are something special for sound that seems to not be from headphones, but they're not the only choice.

I've been through a lot of those virtual surround DSPs, a good place to start is reading my post linked in my signature (if I knew then...") cuz I've collected a lot of samples, updating more along the way as I find.

@Evshrug - thanks for the reply.  I read through your thread, parts of this one and the PC surround sound again, and bought the Asus Xonar U7.  Well, actually I had to buy it from Amazon UK and while waiting for it to arrive I bought the Asus Xonar U3 locally to try out.  I'm liking both immensely over my laptops on-board sound.  And as I like the software and physical device of the U7 better, I'll return the U3.  Also, if you want to try one of my favorites for Scottish fiddle & Cello try Alasdair Fraser & Natalie Haas - Fire & Grace album (can find them on Spotify).  I've seen them in person a handful of times and will continue to do so.  Brings grins and goose bumps to my arms each and every time!

 

Next up is narrowing down the headphone, and depending on what choice(s) I go with, any additional hardware requirements.  With re-reading the various threads, I'm still leaning towards the AKG K712 pro, Alpha Dog, and newly added to my list Philips Fidelio X1.  I can't decide if I want just one headphone that will fit a majority of my needs and live with it.  Or get two.  Open vs closed.  Neutral vs lively.  Ugh, decisions!  I do know the X1's inability to replace the earpads removes it from the list if I'm going with a single set though.

 

For those that have heard / own the K712 (or the K702 Annie) AND the Alpha Dog, would you own both?  Or they have too much overlap in sound and use?  For example, the K712 would be for gaming and music genres other than rock, hip hop, r&b; and the Alpha Dog would be movies and music genres that I don't use the K712 for?  Or substitute X1 for the Alpha Dog?

 

Thanks all, keep up the posting!

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Brian at Razordog confirmed the defects on my K545, and tested the replacement before shipping. Everything is good... and they should arrive tomorrow...

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Originally Posted by iamstumper View Post

@Evshrug
 - thanks for the reply.  I read through your thread, parts of this one and the PC surround sound again, and bought the Asus Xonar U7.  Well, actually I had to buy it from Amazon UK and while waiting for it to arrive I bought the Asus Xonar U3 locally to try out.  I'm liking both immensely over my laptops on-board sound.  And as I like the software and physical device of the U7 better, I'll return the U3.  Also, if you want to try one of my favorites for Scottish fiddle & Cello try Alasdair Fraser & Natalie Haas - Fire & Grace album (can find them on Spotify).  I've seen them in person a handful of times and will continue to do so.  Brings grins and goose bumps to my arms each and every time!

Next up is narrowing down the headphone, and depending on what choice(s) I go with, any additional hardware requirements.  With re-reading the various threads, I'm still leaning towards the AKG K712 pro, Alpha Dog, and newly added to my list Philips Fidelio X1.  I can't decide if I want just one headphone that will fit a majority of my needs and live with it.  Or get two.  Open vs closed.  Neutral vs lively.  Ugh, decisions!  I do know the X1's inability to replace the earpads removes it from the list if I'm going with a single set though.

For those that have heard / own the K712 (or the K702 Annie) AND the Alpha Dog, would you own both?  Or they have too much overlap in sound and use?  For example, the K712 would be for gaming and music genres other than rock, hip hop, r&b; and the Alpha Dog would be movies and music genres that I don't use the K712 for?  Or substitute X1 for the Alpha Dog?

Thanks all, keep up the posting!

I honestly believe the SRH1540 would be a better compliment to the K712. I had both at the same time, once, and they are perfect compliments to each other, IMO.
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Hi all!  First of all, big thanks to MLE and the other regular posters for a spectacualrly useful thread!  I spent some time reading up and going back some 20 pages from the last post (sorry, won't read all 1300+ pages) and I like to think I'm relatively knowledgable now.  At lest enough to ask a question without it being the same question for the 100th time.

 

So yeah, I'm looking for a wireless solution for my Xbone and after reading quite a bit I am wondering a few things:

 

First, I read a bunch about the Xbone having a chip that will process the virtual surround and send it to the stereo port on the controller.  Has anyone been able to confirm that this is the case or do we have to wait for the update that was scheduled earlier this week?

 

Second, assuming that *IS* the case, that would mean I can use a badass set of wired cans with a modmic and just plug it into my controller (with adaptor) to get the same virtual surround I'd get from an A50/PLYR1/etc?  Or would I not be able to use two plugs on the adaptor?  I'm a bit fuzzy on how it's supposed to work.

 

Third, assuming it's *NOT* the case, I'd be back to square one with looking for a decent wireless solution.  After reading this thread, I was thinking that I could grab a Mixamp 5.8 and a wired headphones, then use the modmic and plug it into the controller.  Either that or pick up a A50 or PLYR 1.

 

The 5.8 seems to be difficult to attain.  I guess I could get the A30 wireless kit from MS for $110 just for the 5.8 mixamp (price is comparable to a 2013 so not a terrible idea?).  Then get a $150 set of cans and a modmic and I'm back at approx. the $300 for the A50.

 

How would that plan compare to just getting an A50?  Or should I just save a lot of money and get a PLYR 1?  That seemed to be rated better than the A50 at significantly cheaper.

 

Thanks for reading through this long thing.  Appreciate any help you could provide!

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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

Hi all!  First of all, big thanks to MLE and the other regular posters for a spectacualrly useful thread!  I spent some time reading up and going back some 20 pages from the last post (sorry, won't read all 1300+ pages) and I like to think I'm relatively knowledgable now.  At lest enough to ask a question without it being the same question for the 100th time.

 

So yeah, I'm looking for a wireless solution for my Xbone and after reading quite a bit I am wondering a few things:

 

First, I read a bunch about the Xbone having a chip that will process the virtual surround and send it to the stereo port on the controller.  Has anyone been able to confirm that this is the case or do we have to wait for the update that was scheduled earlier this week?

 

Second, assuming that *IS* the case, that would mean I can use a badass set of wired cans with a modmic and just plug it into my controller (with adaptor) to get the same virtual surround I'd get from an A50/PLYR1/etc?  Or would I not be able to use two plugs on the adaptor?  I'm a bit fuzzy on how it's supposed to work.

 

Third, assuming it's *NOT* the case, I'd be back to square one with looking for a decent wireless solution.  After reading this thread, I was thinking that I could grab a Mixamp 5.8 and a wired headphones, then use the modmic and plug it into the controller.  Either that or pick up a A50 or PLYR 1.

 

The 5.8 seems to be difficult to attain.  I guess I could get the A30 wireless kit from MS for $110 just for the 5.8 mixamp (price is comparable to a 2013 so not a terrible idea?).  Then get a $150 set of cans and a modmic and I'm back at approx. the $300 for the A50.

 

How would that plan compare to just getting an A50?  Or should I just save a lot of money and get a PLYR 1?  That seemed to be rated better than the A50 at significantly cheaper.

 

Thanks for reading through this long thing.  Appreciate any help you could provide!

The Astro a50's are way overpriced for the sound quality you are getting. Check out MLE's review on them which can be found on the front page of this thread.

 

The PLYR 1's are a better choice and much cheaper although I'm guessing you might have to connect a cable from the headset to the Xbone controller to receive chat. That means you will have to purchase the Xbox One Stereo adapter due out later this month for $25. 

 

Another option would be to purchase the Xbone stereo adapter and a pair of headphones with a 3.5mm detachable cable and replace the stock cable with a 3.5mm mic like the V-MODA BoomPro which can be found on Amazon for $30. In this case, you will have to make sure the headphones you purchase don't really need an amp. You will only get stereo sound until when and if Microsoft releases an audio update to ensure surround sound outputs from the console to the controller.

 

You can also purchase the Astro 5.8/a30 bundle from Microsoft for $110 and then a seperate pair of headphones. You will have to connect the Astro 5.8 TX unit to the Xbone via optical and then the RX unit to the $25 stereo adapter which plugs into the controller for chat. Just keep in mind that the Xbone currently does not support 5.1 through optical so you will only receive a stereo signal until they release a firmware update.

 

As for myself, I plan on connecting my Philips X1 with a V-MODA BoomPro mic into the Xbone stereo adapter and waiting for MS to release an update that will ensure the console outputs surround sound to the controller or at least provide support for 5.1 through optical.


Edited by DADDYDC650 - 2/14/14 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by DADDYDC650 View Post
 

The Astro a50's are way overpriced for the sound quality you are getting. Check out MLE's review on them which can be found on the front page of this thread.

 

The PLYR 1's are a better choice and much cheaper although I'm guessing you might have to connect a cable from the headset to the Xbone controller to receive chat. That means you will have to purchase the Xbox One Stereo adapter due out later this month for $25.

 

Another option would be to purchase the Xbone stereo adapter and a pair of headphones with a 3.5mm detachable cable and replace the stock cable with a 3.5mm mic like the V-MODA BoomPro which can be found on Amazon for $30. In this case, you will have to make sure the headphones you purchase don't really need an amp. You will only get stereo sound until when and if Microsoft releases an audio update to ensure surround sound outputs from the console to the controller.

 

You can also purchase the Astro 5.8/a30 bundle from Microsoft for $110 and then a seperate pair of headphones. You will have to connect the Astro 5.8 TX unit to the Xbone via optical and then the RX unit to the $25 stereo adapter which plugs into the controller for chat. Just keep in mind that the Xbone currently does not support 5.1 through optical so you will only receive a stereo signal until they release a firmware update.

 

As for myself, I plan on connecting my Philips X1 with a V-MODA BoomPro mic into the Xbone stereo adapter and waiting for MS to release an update that will ensure the console outputs surround sound to the controller or at least provide support for 5.1 through optical.

 

Hey thx for the thorough reply!

 

Yeah, I read the review for the A50 and I believe it, it's just hard to wrap my head around; SO many "gamer" reviews love em.  The reviews are why I am considering the PLYR 1 instead.  That and the $25 adapter is the easy route.

 

I'm thinking I might want to opt for the better performance route though.

 

I really like your idea about the V-MODA BoomPro.  To be clear, that replaces the standard audio cable from headphones to controller with a new cable that includes the mic? And the connector on the controller side is the 3.5mm one with three... black stripes... so it can do audio and chat?  That seems like an amazing solution.

 

I'll have to go back through the reviews and see which cans have the removable wire.  I think the most recent one I was considering was the Q701 and I am pretty sure that would work.  I think there are a few in the $150-200 range that are ranked much better than the PLYR1.

 

So the only real remaining question is whether we'll get virtual surround out of the controller.  Do you think good stereo through killer cans will help with "competitive gaming" (positional audio, detail-whoring, etc) more than, say, the PLYR1 with virtual surround an just decent sound/imaging?

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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

 

Hey thx for the thorough reply!

 

Yeah, I read the review for the A50 and I believe it, it's just hard to wrap my head around; SO many "gamer" reviews love em.  The reviews are why I am considering the PLYR 1 instead.  That and the $25 adapter is the easy route.

 

I'm thinking I might want to opt for the better performance route though.

 

I really like your idea about the V-MODA BoomPro.  To be clear, that replaces the standard audio cable from headphones to controller with a new cable that includes the mic? And the connector on the controller side is the 3.5mm one with three... black stripes... so it can do audio and chat?  That seems like an amazing solution.

 

I'll have to go back through the reviews and see which cans have the removable wire.  I think the most recent one I was considering was the Q701 and I am pretty sure that would work.  I think there are a few in the $150-200 range that are ranked much better than the PLYR1.

 

So the only real remaining question is whether we'll get virtual surround out of the controller.  Do you think good stereo through killer cans will help with "competitive gaming" (positional audio, detail-whoring, etc) more than, say, the PLYR1 with virtual surround an just decent sound/imaging?

Yes, in regards to the BoomPro. It replaces the stock headphone cable and a mic is attached. It also has mute/volume control which is convenient. 

 

I connected my Philips X1 + BoomPro to directly to my PS4 controller and booted up COD: Ghost. I really didn't have any issues with picking up enemy footsteps and such although certain headphones will perform even better with an amp.


Edited by DADDYDC650 - 2/14/14 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by DADDYDC650 View Post
 

Yes, in regards to the BoomPro. It replaces the stock headphone cable and a mic is attached. It also has mute/volume control which is convenient.

 

I connected my Philips X1 + BoomPro to directly to my PS4 controller and booted up COD: Ghost. I really didn't have any issues with picking up enemy footsteps and such.

Does PS4 do virtual surround through the controller or just stereo?

 

Again, thanks!  That was REALLY helpful and makes it much easier for me to make my decision.

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