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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post

I would go with the HFI-2400 or 2500 for gaming, open headphones have better soundstage most of the time. The only model I have heard is the PRO 2900.


Thanks a lot for your replies. I will check these out, I am still open to more suggestions though.

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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post

I would go with the HFI-2400 or 2500 for gaming, open headphones have better soundstage most of the time. The only model I have heard is the PRO 2900.


Oh yea I forgot! Do you happen to know one that is closed back that is also good for gaming and music and such, and could you compare you could, thanks.

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I have not heard any of the others, the only closed back headphone I have used is the AKG K81, and it is bad for gaming. Its the S-logic which makes them so good for gaming, and all of them have it, the PRO series are said to have better soundstages, so possibly the PRO550 or 750.
Edited by MohawkUS - 8/17/11 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post

I have not heard any of the others, the only closed back headphone I have used is the AKG K81, and it is bad for gaming. Its the S-logic which makes them so good for gaming, and all of them have it, the PRO series are said to have better soundstages, so possibly the PRO550 or 750.


Thanks, I'll check those out. Anyone and everyone, if you know anything, please leave a message suggesting anything else, or confirming anything, or correcting anything that I have said that is wrong and letting me know, thanks everyone! smile.gif

 


Edited by dmann - 8/17/11 at 10:11pm
post #2075 of 37267
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Originally Posted by Jae304 View Post





MLE has definitely posted about the higher noise floor from the DSS on these forums before, but in any case I've also A/B'd the DSS and my mixamp so it is not speculation.  As I said, it's not a big issue but it's definitely there and noticeable.  Also, another vote for Monoprice -- they have great products and prices.  No need to buy Astro's cable.  


x2

 

And the reason you don't read about people complaining about the DSS noise is because most people don't own both a mixamp and a DSS as its redundant.  They get one or the other, so they don't make comparisons.

 

As Jae304 said about the noise "its not a big issue but it's definitely there and noticeable".  The DSS is still a nice little device, but if your getting one amp (and you think you will ever use chat) I would get a mixamp.

 


Edited by chicolom - 8/17/11 at 11:47pm
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I used the DSS today with my AD700s for the first time, for a few hours and honestly the hiss that people complain about, I did not hear it at all. It may be because I've never used the Mixamp, but also there is so much game noise going on you never hear it. There are a couple of modes where the game is campy, not much game noise is going on and hearing footsteps to locate the enemy is especially important here, but even then the hiss is hardly noticeable, if at all. I did not feel that it interferes with locating enemies either.

 

I also watched a Blu-ray with surround sound and tried to hear the hiss during silent scenes, and once again I did not hear it. The volume was probably set to about 70% while gaming and slightly louder with the movie. BTW, I am pretty young and my hearing is fine. So would I pay the $50-70 more for a mixamp? If considering just the hiss issue, I definitely would not, because it's just not that much of an issue, if at all. Others may feel different. If, however, you need the chat functionality, then you may want to consider the Mixamp.

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Just wanna be clear that while I've heard the DSS, I didn't hear it in a controlled environment, and didn't hear it for as prolonged period of time. I base what I said from multiple friends (whom I trust) who own/heard the DSS, not my own conclusions, as I seriously can't give a fair review on it. All I know is that I would avoid it like the plague if I wanted to use non-TB headsets or headphone + mic. Basically avoid it if you need chat capabilities with non-TB solutions.

My general assumption from what I've gathered from the two forums I frequent is that it's somewhat comparable to the Mixamp 5.8 in overall sound quality ALONE, meaning some noise floor, but not distracting while actually playing anything. Same can be said about the AX 720's decoder box/amp which I HAVE heard extensively.

I can't recommend the DSS simply because it lacks chat capabilities for the headphones/headsets most of us would use, and needs an external solution like the Steelseries Spectrum Audio Mixer IN ADDITION to the DSS, which is a clutter crazy solution.

If you're absolutely certain you need zero chat functions... then the DSS is an obvious choice for the money. While I'm one who rarely chats, i DO need chat functions once in a blue moon, which is why I wouldn't ever get the DSS.

BTW, Blu-Rays usually use DTS-HD (which I believe has a hidden DTS track for those who can't play DTS-HD, so unless your BD player is converting DTS to Dolby D, you're not gonna be getting real DH, but echoey as hell stereo (not even close to even Pro Logic II). However, DVDs do tend to have a Dolby Digital track, so the Mixamp/DSS/AX720 will give you proper DH for your movies. The difference is noticeable.

Too bad, since I love watching movies with headphones, but have to deal with non-DH for Blu-Rays.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/18/11 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Noise floor isn't just about hiss and distortion at low levels. It's there at louder volumes regardless, and it may very well (subtely) cover up some frequencies at louder volumes as well. You may not understand that until you hear an amp with an absolute 'black' background-then going back to an amp with a higher noise floor and all of a sudden that previously 'unnoticed' distorion rears it's ugly head. So I for one definitely think a lower noise floor can still help to accurately pinpoint sounds when it comes to gaming amps as well.

 

-Daniel


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x2

 

And the reason you don't read about people complaining about the DSS noise is because most people don't own both a mixamp and a DSS as its redundant.  They get one or the other, so they don't make comparisons.

 

As Jae304 said about the noise "its not a big issue but it's definitely there and noticeable".  The DSS is still a nice little device, but if your getting one amp (and you think you will ever use chat) I would get a mixamp.

 


 

I'd say you two hit the nail on the head exactly.  If you've never had another amp to compare it to, you probably wouldn't even notice it as it's not a game breaker at all.  The DSS is a good product and for most people, it is definitely not a reason to avoid buying it...then again, many of us on head-fi are a little more picky than most!  wink_face.gif  

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Thanks, I'll check those out. Anyone and everyone, if you know anything, please leave a message suggesting anything else, or confirming anything, or correcting anything that I have said that is wrong and letting me know, thanks everyone! smile.gif

 

 

Hey I'm in a very similar boat as you, looking for bassier AD700/900 alternatives and here is what I found:

First of all if you want good positioning than usually open headphones have better more open soundstage thus better positioning.

in saying that not all open headphones have totally bad leakage, some of them are alright so if you research you might find a pair of opens that would fit your need.

 

The open models that I found and am considering:

- DT440 are supposed to be really under-rated with great SQ as well as positioning with decent bass - I'm going to go and have a listen to them later this week. Heard they are not that comfortable though.

- AD900 are bassier than AD700, have you listened to them? you might like them! they are actually really good phones, worth giving them a go. If I don't like the DT440, that's what I'm getting (probably if I don't change my mind by then).

- If you look for the Fischer Audio FA-011 thread, people are swearing by them crazy. not sure if it's hype or not, but they sound like good bassy headphones - but you need a good amp in order to get their goodness out.

- If we are talking about amps, Senns HD598 is another head-fi favorite for gaming

 

If you do want to go with closed:

- Denon D2000 are supposed to be wicked, they have some weakness with construction but otherwise people here love them. Sorry I never heard them because you can't get them where I live (too overpriced in australia) but maybe you can find a place to listen to them. In fact from what you've said they are probably the closest to what you are looking.

- DT250 are the favorites closed cans for just about anything in my local shop (no wow factor, but really good SQ and decent SS)

- Ultrasone have some nice closed hp that are supposed to be alright for gaming, I know the PRO900 are, but way over your budget

 

Can't comment on the superflux 668b coz I never heard them, but I doubt they sound as good as the above models (they may well be very good value, but just not sound as good)

 

Hope this helps

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Don't know why people wouldnt be able to hear the hiss. Even with apple stock buds I could hear a hiss, and the dss is considerably more audible. Even the other inline amps turtle beach produce for their headsets are very noisy-- I personally have no idea why they just can't get their amps right. I'm not trying to brag that I have super ears either, I can barely hear a difference from a dt990 amped through an iMac vs little dot anyways. Simply put, the quiet nature of the mixamp makes quiet scenes in single player mode much more believable. I do agree the feature the mixamp has over the dss though is its support for true voice chat and chat volume mixing for every headphone on the market.

As for the d2000s, they are great for gaming, but movies are where I feel they truly shine with dh.
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I'm curious what people use for battlefield: bad company 2.

 

on the STX I have it set to 6 channels, GX enabled, Dolby headphone on set to DH-1 (reference)

 

In-game i use the Hi-Fi setting

 

However I'm not convinced this is the best way to do it and its kind of hard to test the positional audio in the game with each minor setting because nothing is ever the same from one play to another.

 

In fact, if you guys know of a great way to test different settings with a relatively similar scenario in game, I'd love to be able to try out and find the best setting.

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Did you tinker with the audio in Mass Effect 2? There are settings for music, dialogue and sound effects. This is more a point of curiosity, since I'm wondering if the ship sounds still overpowered dialogue even if they were reduced.

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Originally Posted by AncientWsidom View Post

Can't comment on the Superlux 668B cause I never heard them, but I doubt they sound as good as the above models (they may well be very good value, but just not sound as good)

 

As a Superlux HD-668B owner, I would say the HD-668B is about 75% as good as those headphones that cost 3 to 4 times more.

The semi-open nature of the HD-668B is the perfect blend between fully open and closed headphones.

Coming with a 3' & 10' cable is nice (wish they added a 6').
 

 


Edited by Tacoboy - 8/19/11 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Bojamijams View Post

I'm curious what people use for battlefield: bad company 2.

 

on the STX I have it set to 6 channels, GX enabled, Dolby headphone on set to DH-1 (reference)

 

In-game i use the Hi-Fi setting

 

However I'm not convinced this is the best way to do it and its kind of hard to test the positional audio in the game with each minor setting because nothing is ever the same from one play to another.

 

In fact, if you guys know of a great way to test different settings with a relatively similar scenario in game, I'd love to be able to try out and find the best setting.



I'm a console gamer so I can't comment on anything but in game setting -- I prefer the Home Cinema setting in BC2. 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Don't know why people wouldnt be able to hear the hiss. Even with apple stock buds I could hear a hiss, and the dss is considerably more audible. Even the other inline amps turtle beach produce for their headsets are very noisy-- I personally have no idea why they just can't get their amps right. I'm not trying to brag that I have super ears either, I can barely hear a difference from a dt990 amped through an iMac vs little dot anyways. Simply put, the quiet nature of the mixamp makes quiet scenes in single player mode much more believable. I do agree the feature the mixamp has over the dss though is its support for true voice chat and chat volume mixing for every headphone on the market.

As for the d2000s, they are great for gaming, but movies are where I feel they truly shine with dh.


 

It's def noticeable however the reason I agree with Bourne and chicolom that you may not notice it until you have the chance to try a source without that hiss is because you may have already convinced yourself that the audio is supposed to sound like that so you begin looking for a hiss that is what you would consider out of the ordinary -- a much more intrusive hiss is what you're expecting to find.  Without that very intrusive hiss, you think we're wrong/exaggerating.  However, once you hear it hiss free, you'll realize just how much hiss there really is with the DSS.  

 

Hope that managed to get my point across. 

 

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