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post #19876 of 37458

And to think I've never auditioned the HD650...or any other Sennheiser set, for that matter.

 

Some say the HD600's better, though, less "veiled"...but still pretty dark/warm overall.

 

All I know is that if someone lends me the likes of the HD650, LCD-2, maybe even HE-500 and HE-4...I'm going to prepare myself again with another SR-Lambda + SRM-T1 setup, and the battle of "most glorious midrange" shall commence! (And then someone would show up with a Koss ESP/950 and a Stax Pro bias adapter to try and decisively sweep away everything else...)

 

As for dullness, that term makes me think "treble with no sparkle", like the MA900 with no EQ to bring the treble in line. If that's the HD650, I wouldn't like it for sure. The MA900 has the advantage of being cheap ($150 for me, $110 for some other lucky git, $200 and under in most cases); the HD650 doesn't, especially after Sennheiser's recent price-fixing push.

post #19877 of 37458
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

And to think I've never auditioned the HD650...or any other Sennheiser set, for that matter.

 

Some say the HD600's better, though, less "veiled"...but still pretty dark/warm overall.

 

All I know is that if someone lends me the likes of the HD650, LCD-2, maybe even HE-500 and HE-4...I'm going to prepare myself again with another SR-Lambda + SRM-T1 setup, and the battle of "most glorious midrange" shall commence! (And then someone would show up with a Koss ESP/950 and a Stax Pro bias adapter to try and decisively sweep away everything else...)

 

As for dullness, that term makes me think "treble with no sparkle", like the MA900 with no EQ to bring the treble in line. If that's the HD650, I wouldn't like it for sure. The MA900 has the advantage of being cheap ($150 for me, $110 for some other lucky git, $200 and under in most cases); the HD650 doesn't, especially after Sennheiser's recent price-fixing push.


I found the HD 800 even duller(soulless, boring, whatever you want to call it) than the HD 650 and it has excess treble and sparkle. The HD 600 & 650 were among the least dull Sennheisers I have listened to.

 

The HD 650 does have less sparkle and air in the treble than the MA900 does though.

post #19878 of 37458
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
I found the HD 800 even duller(soulless, boring, whatever you want to call it) than the HD 650 and it has excess treble and sparkle. The HD 600 & 650 were among the least dull Sennheisers I have listened to.

 

The HD 650 does have less sparkle and air in the treble than the MA900 does though.

 

As if audiophile language wasn't confusing enough already...for me, it's like saying something tastes like purple.

 

One weird thing about the HD800? spritzer hated it initially, but actually wound up liking it when amplified properly. (I'm guessing that means something along the lines of the Gilmore Lite or better.) I never thought any dynamic headphone would win over the don of the Stax Mafia, of all people.

 

In turn, this makes me wonder what amp you auditioned it with and how much that might change the signature...or just how much people's tastes differ when it comes to headphones.

 

All I can say in the end is that even with my relatively limited headphone experience that doesn't include anything AKG or Sennheiser, there is one headphone that stands above all else when it comes to this sort of...naturalness, just lifting all the barriers between myself and the music, making vocals and strings and cymbals and all that really come alive. No recession, no artificial texture, no exaggerated piercingness to its sparkly treble or bloated boominess to its bass, just...music. All of this, something that one of its modern successors inexplicably lost despite being based on largely the same frame...

post #19879 of 37458
I never understood the term "amplified properly."

Properly as in good synergy? I'm pretty sure most headphones are amped properly given today's technology...(balanced armature driver earphones being excluded of course because of their wacky phase and impedance curves; get yo freak on with freq phase!).
post #19880 of 37458

Anyone tried gaming in the AKG K612 pros?

I'm hoping they're similar to the 702 in terms of competitiveness but slightly warmer (for a lot less money).

post #19881 of 37458

hi 1st of all excuse me because I am a complete layman here... I am doubting between senn pc 360, senn hd 598 and qpad qh-90. Use: ps4 through the ds4 on the gamepad. I come across some doubts:

 

- because of the fact that the ps4 gamepad has battery and therefore is not a "strong" power source, will I "lose" sound quality? in what sense (volumen, sound depth, ...)

 

- what if I connect the headphones to the tv set and then a micro (e.g. zalman clip-on) to the ps4 ds4 connector? That way would the sound be "as it should"?

 

- between the 3 above (I know one is not a headset), what do you recommend? (or any alternatives welcome...)

 

Thks in advance

post #19882 of 37458
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post




So I guess, the LCD2 and Mad Dogs are boring or lazy then? They're tuned to be a lot more polite than what you'd like, sure, but that's the beauty of having a variety of headphones. The 650 is intimate, sultry, and syrupy. Not something you'd use for metal or aggressive genres in general, but certainly capable with the right music.

 

Oh yes I did! The HD 600 is about the warmest headphone that I actually have enjoyed enough to keep. Haven't been able to get a long enough listening session with the LCD2 yet, but if they sound anything like the extremely dark and depressing HD 650, count me out. Boom!

post #19883 of 37458

Quick question

 

I'm using the Schiit Vali amp on my gaming desktop paired with a Q701 headphone. The sound is being processed by an X-FI Titanium HD sound card. The card has an RCA output  and a headphone output, whereas the amp only has an RCA input. Should I be using the RCA from the soundcard to output (RCA to RCA) or should I be using the headphone (3.5mm to RCA). I have both wires available. Which would provide me with the best surround? Thank you.

post #19884 of 37458

hey Mad Lust and every one, i have a very important question to ask.

i wonder if you guys have heared of the new Mad Catz Freq4d with the new technology that would shake gaming pc ?

the vivitouch technology that is supposdly makes u feel the bass or feel the tank in BF4 instead of just hearing.

i've done alot of research and decided to get the hd 558 since it's a great choice at 130$ maybe do the foam mod.

but this new headset is giving me a hard time choosing since i know that Mad Catz aren't the best price/performance company

and that they are not as good as sennheiser but is it worth to get their headset at 130$ with the new tech instead of the hd 558 ?

i like soundstage and i dunno about theirs so :\

post #19885 of 37458
Originally Posted by theOmni View Post
 

I'm using the Schiit Vali amp on my gaming desktop paired with a Q701 headphone. The sound is being processed by an X-FI Titanium HD sound card. The card has an RCA output  and a headphone output, whereas the amp only has an RCA input. Should I be using the RCA from the soundcard to output (RCA to RCA) or should I be using the headphone (3.5mm to RCA). I have both wires available. Which would provide me with the best surround? Thank you.

RCA to RCA > you can select proper headphone surround using this option on the Titanium HD, unlike the new SBZ range where this option is only for speakers alas (although you could use it to pretend 2 speakers are headphones, but the HRTF is a bit borked on the SBZ - basically avoid).


Edited by SaLX - 1/10/14 at 12:17pm
post #19886 of 37458

Hey is the K702 Annie the same as the regular K702's that are being sold now?

post #19887 of 37458

^I don't think so. MLE reviewed both I believe, and gave different scores to each. 

post #19888 of 37458
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Originally Posted by theOmni View Post
 

Quick question

 

I'm using the Schiit Vali amp on my gaming desktop paired with a Q701 headphone. The sound is being processed by an X-FI Titanium HD sound card. The card has an RCA output  and a headphone output, whereas the amp only has an RCA input. Should I be using the RCA from the soundcard to output (RCA to RCA) or should I be using the headphone (3.5mm to RCA). I have both wires available. Which would provide me with the best surround? Thank you.

I'm thinking of getting the Vali but I'm tempted to go ahead and get their tube hybrid. In that case I'd think I need to figure out how to bypass the DAC's and/or OPAMPS in my soundcard (auzentech x-fi prelude). I don't know that I can or how much it matters that a signal is processed through a different opamp before it goes into an amp with different opamps. maybe that's beyond the scope of this thread, though.

post #19889 of 37458
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

 

As if audiophile language wasn't confusing enough already...for me, it's like saying something tastes like purple.

 

One weird thing about the HD800? spritzer hated it initially, but actually wound up liking it when amplified properly. (I'm guessing that means something along the lines of the Gilmore Lite or better.) I never thought any dynamic headphone would win over the don of the Stax Mafia, of all people.

 

In turn, this makes me wonder what amp you auditioned it with and how much that might change the signature...or just how much people's tastes differ when it comes to headphones.

 

All I can say in the end is that even with my relatively limited headphone experience that doesn't include anything AKG or Sennheiser, there is one headphone that stands above all else when it comes to this sort of...naturalness, just lifting all the barriers between myself and the music, making vocals and strings and cymbals and all that really come alive. No recession, no artificial texture, no exaggerated piercingness to its sparkly treble or bloated boominess to its bass, just...music. All of this, something that one of its modern successors inexplicably lost despite being based on largely the same frame...

 

True it is very confusing and it can be hard to get what you are saying across. And also preference, taste, and even hearing differences can change it a lot. Then the whole system synergy aspects adds even more confusion. I've been fortunate enough to listen to many headphones even rare and discontinued models so thankfully I have a very good idea what I like and don't like.

 

Well it seems the HD 800 I listened to is also brighter than normal from what my friend told me which could be the problem with the HD 800 I have, I felt like I would get tinnitus or something if I listened to it too long. I want to try other HD 800s sometime to see if the one I heard is just a freakishly bright one or if they are bright in general. I also lean slightly towards darker and lusher sounding headphones as many brighter headphones are too harsh in the highs for me, although if a brighter headphone is done right I will really like it. I heard the HD 800 mainly on high-end tube amps. The HD 800 doesn't compare to the electrostat Senns released during the 90s. I wonder if the rumors of a possible new Senn electrostat are true or not.

 

I felt that way when I heard the R10, it was simply real, there was absolutely nothing in the way between you and the music, it was the most transparent, natural, as well as euphoric headphone I have ever heard; even topping the best electrostatics in terms of transparency and naturalness to my ears. I found the two best headphones I have heard are both like 10-20 years old, seems there really hasn't been any improvement in headphones over the years.

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Originally Posted by kraken2109 View Post
 

Anyone tried gaming in the AKG K612 pros?

I'm hoping they're similar to the 702 in terms of competitiveness but slightly warmer (for a lot less money).


The K612 is fantastic for gaming. It may not be as wide in soundstage as the K702 but it does have more accurate imaging. They are similar in terms of competitiveness and they are a bit warmer and intimate.


Edited by kman1211 - 1/10/14 at 12:57pm
post #19890 of 37458
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Originally Posted by xXSnAkEeYeSXx View Post
 

hey Mad Lust and every one, i have a very important question to ask.

i wonder if you guys have heared of the new Mad Catz Freq4d with the new technology that would shake gaming pc ?

the vivitouch technology that is supposdly makes u feel the bass or feel the tank in BF4 instead of just hearing.

i've done alot of research and decided to get the hd 558 since it's a great choice at 130$ maybe do the foam mod.

but this new headset is giving me a hard time choosing since i know that Mad Catz aren't the best price/performance company

and that they are not as good as sennheiser but is it worth to get their headset at 130$ with the new tech instead of the hd 558 ?

i like soundstage and i dunno about theirs so :\

Sounds just like the rumble feature in the Sony pulse headset. Great in games but sucks for music.

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